Featured writings of Paul have a lot of repeating as if an honest editor . . . . Plus was Christ and Resurrection first believed to happen in Heaven ? ??

[bbyrd009]

But my point there was that the Bible actually downplays beliefs, although that is harder to illustrate since beliefs are so often conflated with faith now, but OT there are five diff kinds of belief,

Really? Please explain what these five beliefs are.

ah, been a while…i used to have a thing on that…but you can (eventually) find them here, https://biblescan.com/search.php?q=OT+belief, by clicking LEX for the orig Hebrew…or at least you could if the site was acting right lol

i do recall Abraham’s belief ends up being quite conditional, which adds some depth to it was counted to him as faith. He was like Babylonian, after all, from Ur, so even his conditional belief was quite an evolution i guess

I went to the link and I don’t see anything that remotely supports your claim of five different beliefs in the OT. You tend to make claims about the Bible that you cannot confirm.

ha well or at least that you cannot confirm right

pls tell me you found three at least

 

[Scooter]

ha well or at least that you cannot confirm right

pls tell me you found three at least

Well, let’s see…you claimed there are numerous contradictions in the Bible, but when offered the opportunity to discuss these contradictions on a separate thread, you passed. You fail to grasp the idea that while all bodies may go to the same place, but the spirits of men go to separate places. You seem confused on the doctrine of what Hell is. You don’t seem to comprehend Jesus’ death for the sins of all mankind. And then your continued use of Apollos waters makes no sense.

If you remember I asked you where your ideas about the Bible came from because no mainline denomination holds to your views.

 

[bbyrd009]

Strong's Hebrew: 982. בָּטַח (batach) -- Trust, rely, be confident, feel secure

Strong's Hebrew: 539. אָמַן (aman) -- To confirm, support, believe, trust, be faithful

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[bbyrd009]

ha well or at least that you cannot confirm right

pls tell me you found three at least

Well, let’s see…you claimed there are numerous contradictions in the Bible, but when offered the opportunity to discuss these contradictions on a separate thread, you passed.

well…not exactly, as you might see if you examined the claim. Yes, the Bible is full of apparent contradictions, which turn out to not be contradictory at all when understood, but the discussion often turns into a competition that im just not interested in, and we have better means to contemplate them anyway now, bc websites are devoted to the subject, where you can get several diff perspectives

You fail to grasp the idea that while all bodies may go to the same place, but the spirits of men go to separate places.

Well, the spirit returns to God, Who gave it right, so idt so, wadr; i am aware of the famous(ly misinterpreted) parable that is usually Quoted for that of course—that really makes another point entirely, there at the end; the part everyone drops off?—but tbh i suspect that we have diff definitions of spirit right now, which let’s admit the lines are kinda blurry there anyway, but a study of Wind is interesting for that imo

You seem confused on the doctrine of what Hell is.

i think we’ve already gone over that? Hel is a very well known Norse Goddess, and see it was Norse/Angle scribes who first xlated our Bibles into Englyshe, right. So you might ask why the already established Greek concepts (gods) Tartarus, Abaddon, Apollyon were transliterated, while the burning trash dump here on earth that you can visit yourself turned into Hel, or even what all these foreign gods are doing in our Bibles?

Hel (mythological being) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

or not i mean, up to you, but i would understand that the first info you get has to be overcome, in a sense, which afflicts all of us, The first to tell his side seems correct, until another comes along and examines him right, i guess its just a natural human tendency to accept whatever first info we get from a trusted source as gospel, and that has to be overcome,

neverminding the “poked my heart” bit

You don’t seem to comprehend Jesus’ death for the sins of all mankind.

Well Scoot, and you dont seem to comprehend that No son of man may die for another’s sins, and that Under the law nearly every sin requires blood. Yet. And i understand, ok; that is a cliff that is very hard to climb, and being humans we just naturally prefer Red Stew.

So, there is a diff way to understand all that, Christ died for our sins, that is unfortunately not nearly as…personally gratifying, ill say, as having ones soul saved in the manner we are taught, Apollos waters, and meanwhile you at least get church ladies baking you pies and other senses of community that are awesome, and hard to find later maybe lol, after you leave the camp. If you leave the camp even.

And then your continued use of Apollos waters makes no sense.

ha, what do you know, well Scooter, if my use of it makes no sense then the Bible’s use of it makes no sense either, right? Or i mean go with the accepted explanation as long as that serves you, if you believe that Apollos is not used as analogy there, despite the overwhelming influence of the CoSI even in Judea at the time.

No sin in that imo. Fit it into your understanding however seems best to you, or totally ignore it even. Hearing is a funny thing; you never know what connections you might make laying in bed right before you drop off in two years or whatever, right. Not a big deal, honest. Maybe even meant for someone else

If you remember I asked you where your ideas about the Bible came from because no mainline denomination holds to your views.

Ah, yes; i just seem to be uniquely blessed with an almost complete lack of opinions or as you say ideas, generally speaking, and i apparently got in the Wonder line like three times lol. Guess that isnt helping much, but the point is that i really just dont have any of those, what you would call beliefs?

Which i understand sounds weird, but beliefs are really just prejudices that we install all by ourselves, and hopefully i have demonstrated in my rather bald and clunky way how those MD beliefs really dont amt to much anyway. I believe Test everything, and keep what is good, which kinda requires that i abandon any ideas or views that arent holding water, which i really dont expect anyone else to share my exact pov nor would i want them to, ok?

Which is imo real diversity; im fine with you holding diff and even contradictory opinions to mine, as long as they arent about like murder or whatever…which btw Luigi’s CEO murder; completely justified, right? lol just messing with you, but see, a thing that we are all now invited to have a view about, yes? Pick a side, right? Its what defines most ppls entire lives, see

 

[Scooter]

Thank you for proving my point. Your beliefs about the Bible are not only unconventional, but no one outside of you hold these views. You are free to believe what you want, but you have nothing to support views besides your own imagination. As a student of the Scriptures for almost 30 years I can tell you that your positions are not theologically correct.

 

[bbyrd009]

ha well or at least that you cannot confirm right

pls tell me you found three at least

Well, let’s see…you claimed there are numerous contradictions in the Bible, but when offered the opportunity to discuss these contradictions on a separate thread, you passed. You fail to grasp the idea that while all bodies may go to the same place, but the spirits of men go to separate places. You seem confused on the doctrine of what Hell is. You don’t seem to comprehend Jesus’ death for the sins of all mankind. And then your continued use of Apollos waters makes no sense.

If you remember I asked you where your ideas about the Bible came from because no mainline denomination holds to your views.

They all have beliefs tho, see, even though when you examine them theyre really held as Absolute Truths? Meat, iow? And see meat and milk dont mix, as Paul even so inspiredly discusses. Manna comes into play here, the hidden manna even, and The Pearl…man, how inspired the descriptions of those are.

Which that would be a long page ok, but the point is to contemplate them as analogies to…concepts that we are confronted with in irl, every day, so for instance see why manna comes in the “morning” and cant be kept for tomorrow, stored, or why the gates of the City are always open, yet they are still also gates.

These are all just analogies for common mental constructs iow…crap, gotta run. MCTY

 

[bbyrd009]

Thank you for proving my point. Your beliefs about the Bible are not only unconventional, but no one outside of you hold these views.

ha well no one that you are aware of maybe, yes

You are free to believe what you want, but you have nothing to support views besides your own imagination.

so you say, yes, but i suggest that when we get down to cases that…nonsense can be better than sense, ok. Sometimes nothing is a real cool hand

As a student of the Scriptures for almost 30 years I can tell you that your positions are not theologically correct.

Unknown God

but yes, and i totally accept that where you are concerned, ok. To put that another way, you have by constant use trained your senses to distinguish good from evil, and judgement naturally flows from that, yes. Dang, really gotta run now lol bye

 

[bbyrd009]

ok that was easy, anyway, your thirty years isnt in vain ok, i remem the angst at the thought of just seemingly abandoning all that lol, and it just really doesnt work like that i guess; you just suddenly see a diff interpretation for the passages that you defined a certain way, for so long? They suddenly change on you? You prolly already have some experience with that?

And also all the passages that we just tend to basically ignore, since they dint fit into our definitions, start fitting in, stuff like that. Alla sudden you…get access to the entire Bible, see, rather than having to gloss over so many passages that just made no sense

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

Yes, the Bible is full of apparent contradictions, which turn out to not be contradictory at all when understood, but the discussion often turns into a competition that im just not interested in, and we have better means to contemplate them anyway now, bc websites are devoted to the subject, where you can get several diff perspectives

I think many people have a similar view. That if we look at the holy book too closely, well, something useful in hard times just might evaporate.

We might call ourselves “religion nerds” ? ! ?

* interested in subject of religion, may or may not be religious ourselves, and perhaps not in traditional ways

 

[Scooter]

you just suddenly see a diff interpretation for the passages that you defined a certain way, for so long?

I see an interpretation that is theologically incorrect and not believed by any denomination.