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verse 5 — And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread.

6 — And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.

7 — Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.

8 — And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

9 — And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.


- King James Version

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So, if you’re bitten by a snake and you look at a brass snake on a pole, you’re healed ? ! ?
well, your self inflicted symptoms are relieved at least, ya. Bc the serpents rep the complaining, i guess
This is as much a magic amulet as anything i’ve ever heard of. And if someone wants to call this a “graven image,” I think that’s accurate.
ya, its a weird scene, huh. Its relevance to us is mostly about Jesus associating Himself with it, i guess. Its hard to come to the Bible, via the path that most all of us get to that by, and then discover that Jesus didnt really die for our sins, as far as Yah is concerned. He reps symptom relief, see; spiritual allopathy iow Under the law nearly every sin requires blood

Which is pretty hard to pick out of the Bible, imo. We even have passages about Yah providing a sacrifice, so that is easily taken to mean that Yah needed it? And we are so legal/literal minded that the realization that Law was given specifically so that we could learn that it is inadequate and insufficient is really mostly lost on Xtians also, i would say understandably?

Its hard to impress on someone that they need to keep the law, and the law is insufficient. Strangely, judges are usually the best at Grace lol, at least in my experience. We are practically buried in the Law of sin and death as a culture right now, which i guess prolly isnt anything new really, but it can be hard to associate with irl maybe?

But i can tell you that learning this one principle can open basically any door, at least the ones that shouldnt stay shut. Grace is…well, its a religious term to us now, but i dont use it that way
It also sounds a whole lot like the “Law of Attraction” and “The Prosperity Gospel” — if you have negative thoughts, the Universe will punish you. And conversely, if you have positive thoughts, the Universe will reward you.
PG ends up being a lot more sinister, actually; LoA i like better, but then i typically prefer more practical refs i guess. But regardless, its obv that all the whining by the wanderers was what brought the serpents, and the snake on a pole was like a contrivance made to show the Israelites their error?

And relating that to Jesus is pretty hard without a change of mind i guess. You dont hear it dealt with much in Xtianity simply bc…well, in a word, they worship Jesus (as Apollos) and so grasping that He was raised up like a snake on a pole, the reference just doesnt compute in that scenario?

There are other things to be extracted there too, since snakes mean something diff to us than they did to them, there are refs to seeking knowledge (snake), restated in here a little, there a little, which is even repeated as a good thing when the point is prolly more about how it is a bad thing, at least the way we usually apply that as an adult; its hard to illustrate in a post actually, since learning knowledge herealittle therealittle seems like a completely normal adult function, right?

So the passage is possibly trying to illustrate how that is “of the world,” meaning that it isnt the thing itself that is bad so much, but rather the use we put it to. Or iow we seek knowledge and control (adult) rather than having faith, little child. We seek Jesus rather than Christ, put another way

Ppl find Jesus for symptom relief (from hel), and then a few go on to find Christ
 
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But regardless, its obv that all the whining by the wanderers was what brought the serpents,
wow, it needs to be said—

So, the punishment for whining is death ? ! ?

This is a really irrational king whom we have normalized, and even given the same traits to a supposed divine being.
 
But regardless, its obv that all the whining by the wanderers was what brought the serpents,
wow, it needs to be said—

So, the punishment for whining is death ? ! ?

This is a really irrational king whom we have normalized, and even given the same traits to a supposed divine being.
ok, i edited some up there, still might not be done fwiw

anyway, the punishment for useless whining is spiritual death irl, see, we send those ppl to Gehenna right now today even? So surely Yah feels the same way we do about it, practically speaking; whine all you like, irdc, but you arent going to be doing it around me! lol
so like that maybe
 
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