Featured Paul mentions that “more than 500” saw the risen Jesus in a single early letter, but included this in no other letters. Why ? ?

[Scooter]

I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet?

There is no need to reconcile these two statements because the first statement is not Biblical

ok, works for me

I’m glad you acknowledged your error. That is the first step.

 

[bbyrd009]

I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet?

There is no need to reconcile these two statements because the first statement is not Biblical

ok, works for me

I’m glad you acknowledged your error. That is the first step.

idk Scooter, i found it in four diff spots in the Bible with one click bro
theyll have that fixed pretty soon tho prolly
cant be wisin up the marks lol
im glad youre glad tho

anyway, fwiw i guess most of this isnt even for you, ok
youre obv doing fine right

happy trails eh

 

[bbyrd009]

I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet?

There is no need to reconcile these two statements because the first statement is not Biblical

ok, works for me

I’m glad

hey, i understand what you might be going through right now, ok? Since denial only gets one so far, i mean. So if that is still working for you, that is great imo, but when it stops working you might contemplate the possibility that Yah just has a better idea…which does unfortunately involve us picking up our crosses lol

Which i guess we can only understand at first religiously, via our egos, which is i guess why Apollos waters; and i understand that losing that concept (of being chosen to become immortal) can seem like the end of the world, maybe—why get “saved” if you dont even get to goto heaven after you have died, right?—but it is only the beginning, ok?

Prolly a little too early to talk about the three in the furnace who werent even getting singed, prolly even asking for marshmallows lol, but you might contemplate their state of mind, and understand that thats where you prolly wanna be? Peace bro

 

[Scooter]

I really doubt you understand anything about me or my beliefs. I freely admit that I am clueless about you and your theology. But, I’m not required to know about you. I’m much more concerned with knowing Jesus better everyday. Apollos may water, but God gives the increase.

 

[bbyrd009]

Prolly kind of hard to see how the 500 is us i guess, huh? Or why seeking to make Jesus “real” is…not going to satisfy. Anyway, 500 is pretty few, imo, and i bet they arent standing there looking up into the sky lol. Understand the ego driven motive for seeking to make Jesus literal, imo, and you will be a long way towards…understanding your purpose here

You will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up, ok

 

[Scooter]

Prolly kind of hard to see how the 500 is us i guess, huh? Or why seeking to make Jesus “real” is…not going to satisfy. Anyway, 500 is pretty few, imo, and i bet they arent standing there looking up into the sky lol. Understand the ego driven motive for seeking to make Jesus literal, imo, and you will be a long way towards…understanding your purpose here

You will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up, ok

Again, I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m not part of the 500 that saw Jesus alive. I did not see Him go up, but I’ll see Him when He comes down. And I mean literally when He comes back.

 

[bbyrd009]

the faith of the Centurion is well remarked upon, yes, and despite what i wrote below i wouldnt want to be perceived as belittling that, ok; believe that for as long as you like, and imo do not be easily swayed away from it, even

Prolly kind of hard to see how the 500 is us i guess, huh? Or why seeking to make Jesus “real” is…not going to satisfy. Anyway, 500 is pretty few, imo, and i bet they arent standing there looking up into the sky lol. Understand the ego driven motive for seeking to make Jesus literal, imo, and you will be a long way towards…understanding your purpose here

You will see Him come down the same way you saw Him go up, ok

Again, I don’t know what you’re saying. I’m not part of the 500 that saw Jesus alive.

well, not yet anyway

I did not see Him go up, but I’ll see Him when He comes down. And I mean literally when He comes back.

only that would involve standing there, right—there illustrated as “bad” iow, whereas Standing can also be seen as good—as well as looking up into the sky (which can also be contrasted elsewhere), and otherwise violating the spirit of the v, wouldnt it? Bc there is no “Men of Galilee, why did you not see Him go up” type phrasing, since an assumption about the Ascension can be made, right. Which imo is a big part of the beauty of certain Scriptures, that often cannot be made to make literal or logical sense, ergo must be understood on a different level

I would say that “Galilee” is somewhat obscure (also see Gilead fwiw), but really even w/o grasping that part it is patently evident that standing there looking up into the sky would be a completely understandable and even advisable thing to do, in the literal scenario, wouldnt it? So why ask why, iow?

Also, should one choose to not identify with the men of Galilee, they were nonetheless told that they would see Him come down, right; providing another refute to a literal “future” return iow, since it was those standing there who were being told that they would see it.

And not that it matters really, but see how i personally do not “mean” anything, but rather seek what the text means, and if i am wrong there then i am open to changing my mind, simply bc i have chosen to abandon knowing. Which i understand might seem a little ridic at first, ok; obv i know many things, but the point is to address the human tendency to pretend to knowledge that cannot be verified, Test everything, and keep what is good. “Trust the science” initially seems like good advice, right, only that is not how science operates lol; scientists can be bought as easily as scribes, see

Or put another way, beliefs are usually conflated with faith now, when really they are only slightly related; the OT describes 5 (hmm) diff kinds of “belief,” whereas faith is always one. Which btw has come to help inform my understanding of “5,” as something like “people” or “coming from people” or something similar, and tbh “grace” is really usually a…less relevant understanding, even if it serves for a start

 

[bbyrd009]

Which fwiw the “seeing” there is theaomai rather than optanomai, dont get me started lol, but anyway

2300 theáomai (from tháomai, "to gaze at a spectacle") – properly, gaze on (contemplate) as a spectator; to observe intently, especially to interpret something (grasp its significance); to see (concentrate on) so as to significantly impact (influence)the viewer.

[2300 (theáomai) is the root of 2302 /théatron ("spectacle in a theatre"), the root of the English term, "theatre."]

 

[Scooter]

If you are comfortable with your belief system, I wish you all the best. I am secure, confident and comfortable in mine. Since I am secure and confident in my faith, and because I know the One in whom I have believed, there is no possible way I could ever be convinced otherwise. Again, good luck with your beliefs.

 

[bbyrd009]

If you are comfortable with your belief system, I wish you all the best. I am secure, confident and comfortable in mine. Since I am secure and confident in my faith, and because I know the One in whom I have believed, there is no possible way I could ever be convinced otherwise. Again, good luck with your beliefs.

well ty, but i have no beliefs, at least concerning the past or the future, and “faith” is a verb to me rather than a noun. And just since you mentioned it, any credible evidence might persuade me to become convinced otherwise, i test everything

I suggest that that “knowing” is even contrary to Scripture, at more than one point even, and might even be the best illustration of “Centurion,” but i guess that is something more like an impression…mostly.