Featured Paul mentions that “more than 500” saw the risen Jesus in a single early letter, but included this in no other letters. Why ? ?

[bbyrd009]

ya, bam lets discredit an honest man lol

I think it’s fine to look at someone with an amateur’s interest in archaeology, but it’s good to “stay close to the shoreline.”

But that, I mean this amateur should maybe start with news articles from ABC, CBS, BBC, and other mainstream sources, which every once in a while will talk about a discovery in archaeology.

Then he or she could go to the professional journal(s) on this same topic. And these journal articles can be hard to understand. In addition, there is the problem of . . .

Predatory publishing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

“Predatory publishing, also write-only publishing is an exploitative academic publishing buiness model, where the journal or publisher prioritizes self-interest at the expense of scholarship. It is characterized by misleading information, deviates from the standard peer review process, . . “

“The phenomenon of ‘open access predatory publishers’ was first noticed by Jeffrey Beall around 2012, when he described ‘publishers that are ready to publish any article for payment . . ’”

“According to one study, 60% of articles published in predatory journals receive no citations over the five-year period following publication. . . ”

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So, it can be hard to do a good job even when you want to.

But as I sometimes tell the guys at my local bar who criticize the “lame stream media,” believing some random clown on YouTube is not the answer either! Although I usually use a little PG-profanity to describe this random clown.

lol

 

[bbyrd009]

The OT has plenty of lying, though; they just lied in a different way, by exaggeration, called “conquest genre.”

I started a thread concerning Biblical contradictions but you have yet to post anything.

ah, i prolly have like a hundred hours in those sites; already resolved most of the ones that interest me

Also feel free to present any lies contained in the OT. If you cannot offer any lies contained in the Bible, I suggest you retract your statement.

 

[bbyrd009]

you have already just stated that your belief that most other ppl are going to hell after they have died has not been changed, right? Despite the several direct statements to the contrary in the Bible; All go to the same place, No one has ever gone up to heaven…, There is only One Immortal, etc, all get reasoned away, right

Jesus said broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on that path while narrow is the road to life and few find that way. So it’s not my assertion, it the Lord’s.

You should study to scriptures more and you might understand what happened to people who died prior to Jesus’ resurrection compared to what happens to people today. Only those who have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit can fully grasp the scriptures. Your posts reveal a lack of Biblical understanding.

ha ya maybe

 

[Scooter]

The OT has plenty of lying, though; they just lied in a different way, by exaggeration, called “conquest genre.”

I started a thread concerning Biblical contradictions but you have yet to post anything.

ah, i prolly have like a hundred hours in those sites; already resolved most of the ones that interest me

Also feel free to present any lies contained in the OT. If you cannot offer any lies contained in the Bible, I suggest you retract your statement.

So you retract your claim that there are lies and contradictions in the Bible. Ok.

 

[bbyrd009]

you have already just stated that your belief that most other ppl are going to hell after they have died has not been changed, right? Despite the several direct statements to the contrary in the Bible; All go to the same place, No one has ever gone up to heaven…, There is only One Immortal, etc, all get reasoned away, right

Jesus said broad is the way that leads to destruction and many are on that path while narrow is the road to life and few find that way. So it’s not my assertion, it the Lord’s.

only you are maybe not considering how prevalent your beliefs are, Scooter; how broad. Doesnt pretty much everyone believe that Jesus is returning, tomorrow, and that everyone else is going to hel? I have Indians asking me how they might attain heaven and avoid hel now even, lol. So, ya

I mean, dont get me wrong, but congrats, you have joined the same path that billions are on, right

The OT has plenty of lying, though; they just lied in a different way, by exaggeration, called “conquest genre.”

I started a thread concerning Biblical contradictions but you have yet to post anything.

ah, i prolly have like a hundred hours in those sites; already resolved most of the ones that interest me

Also feel free to present any lies contained in the OT. If you cannot offer any lies contained in the Bible, I suggest you retract your statement.

So you retract your claim that there are lies and contradictions in the Bible. Ok.

Well i mean, does that make you feel better for a minute? Then fine; but it really isnt quite that simple, idt? We are taught that we might ascend to heaven after literal death, and (or) that Jesus (as Apollos) is literally returning, and you have to read for yourself to figure out that those are lies; and that isnt so easy to accept now, is it? The first to tell his side seems correct, until another comes along and examines him, right?

Buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him is said at ritual baptisms, but then we go have an ego-inflating celebration at Luby’s afterward, right, for the newest member of the club? Instead of a funeral, or any kind of recognition that ego-death is the point, I die daily. Did our pastors lie to us, are you lying when you say most ppl will end up in hel? Yes, but it isnt intentional, now is it?

Sure is ego-affirming though, huh. Yes, it is entirely intentional, and therein lies the lesson. So right now im kinda being dickish to you on purpose, ok, bc we have very limited means for expression by just writing, and im trying to show contrast, but you might see that im lying as far as you are concerned, am i not? Even though you cant dispute any of it. Or you likely “feel” like you can, even are, but not realizing how you sound to the cloud, see.

So is saying that Christ appears, comes, is revealed “lying?” Depends upon what you hear, right? And as you have said, one needs the Spirit to discern the truth, only we are told to leave the camp and truth is established by witnesses! Lol. I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet? No contradiction there for you? Bc idt your current explanation is going to stand up on two feet very well; Jesus referred to Himself that way on purpose, surely, and even if you assert that He somehow was not a “son of man” (which btw thats an old translation, and it has been scribed out of our newer ones, you might notice, even if google can still find it. For now that is) He would still have the Scriptural role of “father” (patriarch) to us, right, so the explanation just moves Him from son to “father,” Who still cannot die for another’s sins.

So it is not unfair to say that the Bible is being deceitful, to the deceitful, or contradictory to the contradictory, idt. And imo it is also perfect, just like it is. We even have a v or two for this? Yah sending ppl a lie, or something? 11For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie

So no, wadr i do not retract any claims, that i think i earnestly qualified the first time anyway, and fwiw irl i would just smile in your face and tell you how right you are lol; here you are getting a benefit, see, bc you chose to come here and dig a pit for others to fall into, ok? Imagine me coming to your congregation and doing this irl, up on the stage, if you will. Ya, it was not pretty. Well, it was beautiful lol—it blew those congregations apart, they were never the same—but if i said that id be lying, see

 

[bbyrd009]

Another word about being a “Christian,” since i might be misunderstood; if one is lost in life, a criminal or whatever, on drugs, Becoming a Christian of any stripe can genuinely save you imo, ok? Now you have surely entered an ego-affirming cult of sol invictus lie also, and i dont mean “saved” like they mean it but rather like the Bible means it, He saved others but could not save Himself, He who seeks to save his soul shall lose it, but see, someone addicted to alcohol or heroin doesnt need any of that stuff right then, they need Apollos waters. I needed Apollos waters. For diff reasons, but whatevs.

Now, once the emo wears off and youve hopefully gotten a few years of Bible under your belt, and you start having uncomfortable questions that your pastor just glosses over with pat explanations that are leaking everywhere—if that ever happens, i mean—and you “feel” like you have plateaued ten years ago, then is the time to leave the camp, leave the world, if you dare, and start phase two i guess. But dont be skipping steps on my account, ok.

Jesus gave the highest praise possible to the cult of sol guy, the Centurion—or maybe he was a believer, who knows lol—and really i am posting mostly for those who have just outgrown the cult of sol, and might be starting to despair; read the Bible for yourself, there are many more steps after Apollos waters and having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof, and i tell you that you are not imagining the hypocrisy and pointlessness in your religion, ok? You just needed to experience the counterfeit first, which maybe seems evil, but makes sense later

and ps, dont be going to your congregation or even your pastor with this stuff, unless youre prepared to leave town afterward lol. By all means seek witnesses to verify, but do it online or somewhere else, anywhere else lol, bc this is not for being a dick like im doing to Scooter or otherwise puffing yourself up; Christians will effing kill you for this stuff, with a gun. Or whatever Centurions use. ok peace

 

[bbyrd009]

ya, bam lets discredit an honest man lol

I think it’s fine to look at someone with an amateur’s interest in archaeology, but it’s good to “stay close to the shoreline.”

But that, I mean this amateur should maybe start with news articles from ABC, CBS, BBC, and other mainstream sources, which every once in a while will talk about a discovery in archaeology.

Then he or she could go to the professional journal(s) on this same topic. And these journal articles can be hard to understand. In addition, there is the problem of . . .

Predatory publishing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

“Predatory publishing, also write-only publishing is an exploitative academic publishing buiness model, where the journal or publisher prioritizes self-interest at the expense of scholarship. It is characterized by misleading information, deviates from the standard peer review process, . . “

“The phenomenon of ‘open access predatory publishers’ was first noticed by Jeffrey Beall around 2012, when he described ‘publishers that are ready to publish any article for payment . . ’”

“According to one study, 60% of articles published in predatory journals receive no citations over the five-year period following publication. . . ”

———————

So, it can be hard to do a good job even when you want to.

But as I sometimes tell the guys at my local bar who criticize the “lame stream media,” believing some random clown on YouTube is not the answer either! Although I usually use a little PG-profanity to describe this random clown.

so, i dug up this book on Bible numbers from like forty years ago that i somehow managed to hang onto bc i thought it was gold at the time, and you know what? Its all reading like crap to me now, lol. Or i mean not completely useless, but mostly just one guy’s impressions, seems like.

Why are there 7 days in a week? Who knows, right? 5 is grace, it is halfway to 10, it is a hand outstretched, maybe? Halfway being a component of grace? But aside from a few better defined (by the Bible, iow) numbers like 3 and 12, a rope of three cords is not easily broken, etc, i would trust the impression a number gives you based upon your previous experience and study over what some other guy tells you, bc for the most part any ancient significance has been lost to us now anyway imo

Which i say bc imo the Bible is a lot about impressions; most ppl are impressed with immortality and literally going to hel after death, right, and really who is so interested in picking up any cross and following, lol. So while i still value the year i spent in gematria, i also recall why i lost interest; bc there is a counterfeit there, and i sensed confusion, just like i sensed in cult of sol congregations. And God is not the Author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Which it seems to me that you are in a position to appreciate the inherent joke there? Paul has a few corkers lol, and imo that is one of them

 

[Scooter]

I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet?

There is no need to reconcile these two statements because the first statement is not Biblical. It is not there. The rest of your post makes no sense to me either due to its totally unorthodox premise. It’s difficult to discuss Biblical topics with a misconstrued audience.

And since you failed to post any contradictions from the Bible I accept your silence as admission there are none.

 

[bbyrd009]

I mean, have you reconciled No son of man may die for another’s sins and Christ died for our sins yet?

There is no need

ok, works for me

 

[bbyrd009]

Funny how ppl can be talking back and forth, but there is no communication, huh? Ive learned to rely on witnesses, but in these cases it usually comes thru back channels…i guess bc ppl identify with their online persona, and dont want to be perceived as taking sides? Im oblivious to that stuff lol. Ive learned to fake it, masking i guess they call it, but i still dont really get it