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[Alter2Ego]

"God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (Genesis 1:26 -- English Standard Version)

This is from John 4:24 and not Genesis 1:26.

So what's your point? That God's wasn't also a spirit at Genesis 1:26 and that the Bible is not in harmony from one book to the next?

 

[Alter2Ego]

Genesis 1:26 is clearly not literal since the Bible makes it clear that God is a spirit and humans are flesh and blood.

I don't agree with your reasoning. Just because something involves a spirit doesn't make it non-literal. To the Bible writers, spirits really do exist, and there are many of them. When Genesis 1:26 says "us", that just means that there's more than one spirit that's being referred to.

Genesis 1:26 used the term "us" because Almighty God was accompanied by millions of angelic sons. He was speaking to the special angel that came to be known as Jesus Christ. I've stated that previously in this thread, so I can't imagine what you hope to gain by repeating the same failed argument, AgnosticBoy.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Furthermore, when the words at Genesis 1:26 were spoken by the Almighty, there were already in existence millions of angels with him. He was speaking to one of those angels: The same angel whose spirit life was transferred into the womb of the virgin named Mary. That special angel who became flesh is known as Jesus Christ.

Genesis 1:26 doesn't mention any angels. God could've been communicating with angels or amongst themselves (them = 3 beings that make up the Godhead), or even all of the above. Your explanations don't show why it couldn't be the latter 2 options.

If anything, Scooter and I have shown that the second to last option (the Trinity) is the case since we are not created in the image of angels nor did angels create anything. The "our" in Genesis 1:26 that is doing the creating and that we're in the image in, could only refer to God. And God referring to himself as "our" means more than one being involved.

It doesn't have to. Scripture says the angels were already in existence before Jehovah created the stars. Scripture further says humans were created AFTER the stars had already been created. So that makes it clear that the angels were in existence when the Almighty said at Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our image...."

"When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice." (Job 38:7 -- Brenton's Septuagint Translation)

Job 38 Brenton's Septuagint Translation

 

[Scooter]

No, you didn't. The scriptures you quoted actually debunk Christendom's Trinity when the context is paid attention to. It is the context that gives the correct understanding of what is being stated.

Hahaha...You cannot comprehend the Trinity because you cannot come to grips with the divinity of Jesus Christ. Your claim that Jesus was an angel is heresy and sounds very much like the Watch Tower Society doctrine. Are you a Jehovah Witness?

 

[AgnosticBoy]

So what's your point? That God's wasn't also a spirit at Genesis 1:26 and that the Bible is not in harmony from one book to the next?

I was probably just correcting the record on where the passage comes from.

My observation is that when God is mentioned, it sometimes refers to just the Father. Other times it refers to multiple beings, like in Genesis.

That's why in some cases, you find God being talked about in plural form (Genesis 1:26; Genesis 18:1-2, etc). I mean, even if you have a hard time accepting that Jesus was God, I think it's still easy to accept that the Holy Spirit was also God. So that would at 'binity' which again still represents God as multiple beings.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Genesis 1:26 used the term "us" because Almighty God was accompanied by millions of angelic sons. He was speaking to the special angel that came to be known as Jesus Christ. I've stated that previously in this thread, so I can't imagine what you hope to gain by repeating the same failed argument, AgnosticBoy.

God may've been speaking to angels, but who was the one saying they would create? The person or persons that are being referred to as "us" are also saying they would "create". The flaw in your point is that you're focusing just on the word "us", and not what the "us" is doing, i.e. "creating" - factor in who's the one creating.

Angels weren't saying they would create nor is there anywhere in the Bible that says we are created in the image of angels.

 

[Alter2Ego]

So what's your point? That God's wasn't also a spirit at Genesis 1:26 and that the Bible is not in harmony from one book to the next?

I was probably just correcting the record on where the passage comes from.

My observation is that when God is mentioned, it sometimes refers to just the Father. Other times it refers to multiple beings, like in Genesis.

That's why in some cases, you find God being talked about in plural form (Genesis 1:26; Genesis 18:1-2, etc). I mean, even if you have a hard time accepting that Jesus was God, I think it's still easy to accept that the Holy Spirit was also God. So that would at 'binity' which again still represents God as multiple beings.

AgnosticBoy:

You are repeating yourself after I already responded to that false claim with scripture. I quoted scripture showing there were millions of spirit sons/angels in existence at Genesis 1:26 when Jehovah God used the word "us" as in "Let us make man in our image...."

At this point, I am preparing to disappear from this thread. There's nothing left here for me to debate when people refuse to be corrected by scripture.

Unless you and Scooter can come up with arguments that can overcome the scriptures I already presented, as opposed to both of you regurgitating the same nonsense to make yourselves happy, I will disappear from this thread.

 

[Alter2Ego]

Genesis 1:26 used the term "us" because Almighty God was accompanied by millions of angelic sons. He was speaking to the special angel that came to be known as Jesus Christ. I've stated that previously in this thread, so I can't imagine what you hope to gain by repeating the same failed argument, AgnosticBoy.

God may've been speaking to angels, but who was the one saying they would create? The person or persons that are being referred to as "us" are also saying they would "create". The flaw in your point is that you're focusing just on the word "us", and not what the "us" is doing, i.e. "creating" - factor in who's the one creating.

Angels weren't saying they would create nor is there anywhere in the Bible that says we are created in the image of angels.

I previously informed you and Scooter that one of the angels that was already in existence at Genesis 1:26 aka Jesus Christ is the spirit person Jehovah was speaking to. Jehovah is in fact the only Creator. He worked through Jesus, so in reality, Jehovah was the power behind all creation. Jesus himself said this.

John 5:30​

I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is righteous because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him who sent me.
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[Alter2Ego]

No, you didn't. The scriptures you quoted actually debunk Christendom's Trinity when the context is paid attention to. It is the context that gives the correct understanding of what is being stated.

Hahaha...You cannot comprehend the Trinity because you cannot come to grips with the divinity of Jesus Christ. Your claim that Jesus was an angel is heresy and sounds very much like the Watch Tower Society doctrine. Are you a Jehovah Witness?

Scooter, the laugh is on you in light of the fact scripture makes it clear that Jesus became fully human after his spirit life was transferred to the womb of the virgin named Mary. In other words, he was no longer a god at that point, no longer divine.


Throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures, Jesus is referred to as "son of man," meaning he was fully human.

"just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.” (Matthew 20:28 -- New International Version)

Matthew 20 NIV

Scripture says God is not human. Jesus became fully human.

"God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" (Numbers 23:19 -- New International Version)

 

[Scooter]

Scooter, the laugh is on you

Hahaha…you did not answer my question…Are you a Jehovah Witness? If not, then what is your religious persuasion? Don’t be shy now.