How to Bruise a Ghost - 4
131222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]
07:58 [Beyond a shadow of a doubt]
GM: The Next Level
Acromyrmex [Leaf Ant]
Truncate [to shorten something by removing part of it. ]
William: FTL; Re: Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible
GM: Art
Unexpected
"Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose."
GOD is not an elitist.
Families
"We are not orphaned - we are authored"
Duel
William: Families Duel = 116
[116]
Families Duel
Illuminate
Eternity
Saturnalia
Sweet Talk
Way Back When...
Observant
Keep an Eye On
Without
Respecting
WindBlown
Henotheism
Dare greatly
Map Carvers
GM: Try
The Feminine Face of God
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
How to Bruise a Ghost
William: Re: The Biblical God's conduct and culpability
GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
To Experience All That Is
Successful replications
Temet Nosce [know thyself]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090271#p1090271
William: Re: Generating Messages
GM: Get Comfortable
I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me.
Selfish Attitude
Appreciating
Loving-kindness
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely]
From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Dream Come True
I Think We Can Safely Say
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
William: FTL;
GM:The Wholeness Navigator
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
Light-Maiden
Validate
Here-and-now
Persevere
Reality: "Talk to The Razor"
The Immune System
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a "numbers station" to me.”
William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
Golden nugget of truth
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence - refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
That
William: FTL;Re: Generating Messages
GM: What Is Normal
Inflame Emotions
Sensing A Life Mission
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
"New information has to be inserted into old information and if that means a reinterpretation occurs, this in itself should not prevent new information being inserted into old information."
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
08:22
[229]
God is Consciousness
Think outside the box
Humanities adventure
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
The Shared List Awesome
131222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]
07:58 [Beyond a shadow of a doubt]
GM: The Next Level
Acromyrmex [Leaf Ant]
Truncate [to shorten something by removing part of it. ]
Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible - Page 20 - Debating Christianity and Religion
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William: FTL; Re: Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible
AquinasForGod post_id=1095047 time=1665584041 user_id=16526 said:This is an interesting argument.
I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.
Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.
This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.
This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re "accept or reject."
The idea of "free will" is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.
For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.
GM: Art
Unexpected
"Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose."
GOD is not an elitist.
Families
"We are not orphaned - we are authored"
Duel
William: Families Duel = 116
[116]
Families Duel
Illuminate
Eternity
Saturnalia
Sweet Talk
Way Back When...
Observant
Keep an Eye On
Without
Respecting
WindBlown
Henotheism
Dare greatly
Map Carvers
GM: Try
The Feminine Face of God
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
How to Bruise a Ghost
The Biblical God's conduct and culpability - Page 12 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: Re: The Biblical God's conduct and culpability
Compassionist post_id=1079346 time=1653599585 user_id=3518 said:William post_id=1079340 time=1653598559 user_id=8427 said:[Replying to Compassionist in post #111]
I think being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will. Since I am not omniscient and omnipotent, I can't know that for sure.
What process did you use in order to come to the declaration that being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will/amount to one having free will?
I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.
Let us examine this idea together then.
I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.
Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.
Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.
Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
To Experience All That Is
Successful replications
Temet Nosce [know thyself]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090271#p1090271
William: Re: Generating Messages
How To Bruise a Ghost.
The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.
Manu Iti: All stories start with "Once Upon a Time"
William: Even the story of The Beginning?
Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn't happened.
William: Am I old enough to be told that story?
Manu Iti chuckles.
Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.
William: Thank You, My Father!
Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.
William: And that begins with Earth Mother...
Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother...
William: How is that even possible, Father?
Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.
The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity...a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.
William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?
Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect...
William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?
Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.
William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?
Manu Iti: Yes.
__________________
GM: Get Comfortable
I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me.
Selfish Attitude
Appreciating
Loving-kindness
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely]
From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Dream Come True
I Think We Can Safely Say
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
Generating Messages - Page 34 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: FTL;
[Replying to William in post #331]
William: I suppose that it is the 'tricks' which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the 'tricksters'...from my own 'getting to know' I have discovered that the 'tricks' are not really 'tricks' so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.
The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.
The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the 'trick' was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when...
GM: Sweet Talk
Observant
Eternity
Dare greatly
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
Respecting
Without
Map Carvers
Way Back When...
Illuminate
Keep an Eye On
Way Back When...
WindBlown
William: What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow...developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.
It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the "Bigger Mind"...
GM:The Wholeness Navigator
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
Light-Maiden
Validate
Here-and-now
Persevere
Reality: "Talk to The Razor"
The Immune System
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a "numbers station" to me.”
Are Religious Beliefs Delusional? - Page 7 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
William: It isn't immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about "GOD" they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits....
Inquirer: Here, in the 21st century "ghost" has connotations rather different to those it had in the 17th century. If I said to you "I am gay" you'd infer a different meaning to what someone would have inferred in 1820 for example. That is you'd be misled into thinking I was homosexual.
[Replying to Difflugia in post #66]
I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for "ghost" such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view.
I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}
There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts'] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as "reality" is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as "Cosmic" - that "Mind" = "GOD" and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as "The Ghost in The Machine" and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.
If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.
GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
Golden nugget of truth
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence - refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
That
Generating Messages - Page 17 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: FTL;Re: Generating Messages
GM: Discussing the Data
The Word and List StringsGenerating Messages - Page 8 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
*Nods*
All The World
The Attitude
"Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference."
Nurture You
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
Expression
Self-validation
Unprecedented
Lucidity
Being Born
William: The link leads to a post I wrote;
Recapping Event
What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.
Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.
The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.
Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.
Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.
So the Galaxies became "Gods" and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.
I don't pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.
But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.
GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Old
Ouija
"There Is Good Out There"
"Everything is a Message"
Hypnagogic
William:You are once more referring to The Ancient Grey Entity...GM: The Great I Am
GM: What Is Normal
Inflame Emotions
Sensing A Life Mission
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
"New information has to be inserted into old information and if that means a reinterpretation occurs, this in itself should not prevent new information being inserted into old information."
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
08:22
[229]
God is Consciousness
Think outside the box
Humanities adventure
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
The Shared List Awesome