Message Generation

[William]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 4

131222 [Self-Awareness Stuff Happens]

07:58 [Beyond a shadow of a doubt]


GM: The Next Level
Acromyrmex [Leaf Ant]
Truncate [to shorten something by removing part of it. ]

Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible - Page 20 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: Why 'Free Will' is Logically Impossible

This is an interesting argument.

I do not agree with premise 2 for the following reason. When we think a thought, more than one things happens simultaneously, namely, that we are aware of the thought and if we wish to have the thought. If we do not wish to have the thought, then we destroy it before it is apprehended. If we wish to have the thought, then we apprehend it.

Our choice is in what thoughts to have or not.

This is more clear to those who have some level of spiritual awareness. Yes, I know many will just reject that notion and that is fine. I accept it because I experience it.

This does not explain where thoughts derive, but only what we can do with them re "accept or reject."

The idea of "free will" is therefore limited to that aspect but has no bearing on the source of the thought itself.

For example. If thought is the product of the environment then free will is limited to what the environment dictates, and what the environment dictates is not outright subject to a humans free will.

GM: Art
Unexpected
"Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose."
GOD is not an elitist.
Families
"We are not orphaned - we are authored"
Duel

William: Families Duel = 116
[116]
Families Duel
Illuminate
Eternity
Saturnalia
Sweet Talk
Way Back When...
Observant
Keep an Eye On
Without
Respecting
WindBlown
Henotheism
Dare greatly
Map Carvers

GM: Try
The Feminine Face of God
Crapulence [intemperance; debauchery; excessive indulgence]
How to Bruise a Ghost

The Biblical God's conduct and culpability - Page 12 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: Re: The Biblical God's conduct and culpability

[Replying to Compassionist in post #111]

I think being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will. Since I am not omniscient and omnipotent, I can't know that for sure.

What process did you use in order to come to the declaration that being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will/amount to one having free will?

I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.

Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
To Experience All That Is
Successful replications
Temet Nosce [know thyself]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090271#p1090271

William: Re: Generating Messages

How To Bruise a Ghost.

The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

Manu Iti: All stories start with "Once Upon a Time"

William: Even the story of The Beginning?

Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn't happened.

William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

Manu Iti chuckles.

Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

William: Thank You, My Father!

Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.


William: And that begins with Earth Mother...

Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother...

William: How is that even possible, Father?

Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity...a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect...

William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

Manu Iti: Yes.
__________________

GM: Get Comfortable
I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me.
Selfish Attitude
Appreciating
Loving-kindness
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely]
From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Dream Come True
I Think We Can Safely Say
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival

Generating Messages - Page 34 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;

[Replying to William in post #331]

William: I suppose that it is the 'tricks' which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the 'tricksters'...from my own 'getting to know' I have discovered that the 'tricks' are not really 'tricks' so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.

The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.

The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the 'trick' was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when...

GM: Sweet Talk
Observant
Eternity
Dare greatly
Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
Respecting
Without
Map Carvers
Way Back When...
Illuminate
Keep an Eye On
Way Back When...
WindBlown

William: What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow...developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.

It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the "Bigger Mind"...

GM:The Wholeness Navigator
How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
Light-Maiden
Validate
Here-and-now
Persevere
Reality: "Talk to The Razor"
The Immune System
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
“I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a "numbers station" to me.”

Are Religious Beliefs Delusional? - Page 7 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

William: It isn't immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about "GOD" they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits....

Inquirer: Here, in the 21st century "ghost" has connotations rather different to those it had in the 17th century. If I said to you "I am gay" you'd infer a different meaning to what someone would have inferred in 1820 for example. That is you'd be misled into thinking I was homosexual.

[Replying to Difflugia in post #66]

I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for "ghost" such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view.

I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts'] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as "reality" is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as "Cosmic" - that "Mind" = "GOD" and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as "The Ghost in The Machine" and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
Golden nugget of truth
Poor Intransigence People [Intransigence - refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
That

Generating Messages - Page 17 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;Re: Generating Messages

GM: Discussing the Data

Generating Messages - Page 8 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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The Word and List Strings
*Nods*
All The World
The Attitude
"Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference."
Nurture You
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
Expression
Self-validation
Unprecedented
Lucidity
Being Born

William: The link leads to a post I wrote;
Recapping Event

What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

So the Galaxies became "Gods" and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

I don't pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.

GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Old
Ouija
"There Is Good Out There"
"Everything is a Message"
Hypnagogic

William:You are once more referring to The Ancient Grey Entity...

GM: The Great I Am

GM: What Is Normal
Inflame Emotions
Sensing A Life Mission
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
"New information has to be inserted into old information and if that means a reinterpretation occurs, this in itself should not prevent new information being inserted into old information."
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow


08:22
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God is Consciousness
Think outside the box
Humanities adventure
Central To The Vision
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
The Shared List Awesome

 

[William]

How to Bruise a Ghost - 5

141222 [Corresponding equivalents]

05:18 [The Prime Directive]

GM: Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity
Imperishable
Adjusted Reality
Properly Assuming Integrity

William: Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity = 529
[529]
Monkey say monkey do monkey say "throw the pooh"
How shallow is the reach of YHWH As useful as griffonage
Adjusted Reality Properly Assuming Integrity
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Self-esteem Sovereign Integral Perspective Intent

William: I think what this does, is align the external reality with the internal reality, so that integrity occurs...problematic to that is the superimposing of religious mythology upon the external world being experienced.

GM: Turning Order into Disorder

William: Yes. Putting a shadow upon something which is better to accept as the way that it was meant to be...part of the monkeys re-thinking its situation and learning from that, other ways in which to react.
YHVH - re the religious mythology - has been shaped to represent said mythology and thus, dressed in inappropriate attire - making the subsequent telling of it, a crude or illegible scrawl when held up against the external reality being experienced.

GM: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
The Second Bible Creation Story

Are atheists theists? - Page 3 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;

[Replying to Kylie in post #24]

I've already explained how a person can lack a belief in God without having made a choice.

So have I. I refer to it as position B - which I call "Atheism". Once knowledge of GOD becomes involved, the choice to move from Atheism to Nontheism [in your case] Other [in my case] or Theism [in the case of otseng] is made.

For everyone else, the position of Other signifies a continued lack of belief either way.

Then the vast majority of atheists would come under the "other" category, because they don't actively believe there is no God, they simply lack belief.

Correct. They shift from being "Atheists" {B] and become "Other". [E] because knowledge [of GODs] allows them the ability to make choices re the question of GODs

I prefer to be a bit more specific in how I label myself.

Me too. That is why I label myself "Other" re the question.

Except it communicates nothing.

It communicates truth, as the picture communicates a thousand words.
"Other" communicates "all those who are neither theist or nontheist."
In my case, "Other" communicates far more than simple disinterest communicates, in that you can refer to me as "Other" and still have lots communicated from me re that position.

Kylie: "Oh, hi, William. Say, how would you describe your religious beliefs?"

William: "Other."

Doesn't give me any useful information.

That is because it is the incorrect question you are asking re The Question of GOD.
The question of religion [whether I have religious belief or not] is better asked of those who hold the theist position.

I am "Other" so asking me to describe my "religious beliefs" to you, won't garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.

GM: Manipulation
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
Indestructible
How to Bruise a Ghost
The Things You Do... Finding the light
I Spy With My Eye

Is this an Accurate and Easily understood definition of Atheism? - Page 48 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;

[Replying to historia in post #477]

Ah, interesting. I've been reliably informed that an atheist is someone who "lacks belief in God." But you're defining an atheist here as someone who thinks God's existence is unlikely. Before I comment further, do you want to change that definition?

This.
:applaud:


And worse, the confusion as to the definition of atheism, has even been said to be the fault of non-atheists. :!:

GM: William's Job

[Alien Bases On The Moon | The Amazing True Story of Ingo Swann] [RTS=11:50] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kT6J_uoic

Remote Viewing is a thing.

William: I think my 'remote viewing' has more to do with putting the pieces of the puzzle together until a picture emerges which allows me to understand how the future will likely pan out...I digress...

GM: Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Existence
Outposts of Form
For The Best Results
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
Absolute Unbounded Manifold

William: Which is to say, it is important to understand YHVH re that terminology...If one must dress The Creator in anything...

The Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) goes by many alternate names, such as the Larger Consciousness System, All That Is, Source, The One Consciousness, etc. depending upon the context that is being emphasized. It is the entire consciousness system as a whole, which means everything that is consciousness and all that it experiences. AUM, which is Consciousness, is the media of reality. Whether or not something exists outside of consciousness is theoretically possible but practicably unknowable, as we are consciousness itself.
AUM evolved from primordial consciousness {SOURCE}

GM: Shining an ancient truthful wisdom
The Squeeze
Zen
The Jellyfish Image
Of Your Thoughts

William: Yes - these are practical images built upon observing nature - the Jellyfish as an example of "One mind - Many outposts" - and then the art installation confirmed that my thinking of the image of YHVH in that manner, was aligned inside/outside...

GM: YHVH in particular

William:

William:

GM: Coming closer to ourselves
Carrier Identity
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
The Original People
Ones Thoughts
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Saint Paul’s Dunedin

William: Yes - I went there recently and there was a art installation displaying what reminded me of a Jellyfish...I saw the connect between that and how I thought the Cosmic Mind might look if it could be imaged...
{SOURCE}

William: Also;

GM: Map Carvers
Be Free

What is ' consciousness ' ? - Page 19 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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GM: The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
All Because I Had To Ask
Techniques
Spelling
Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.

William: Indeed - sidestepping the traps others place in the way, with word-games and similar tactics...

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]

[This New AI is a Game-Changer !] [RTS =403] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=DU6WINoehrg


William: How AI learns and why it now surpasses human beings in the development of algorithms.

GM: Tickling The Dragon's Tail
Zeitgeist [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.]

William: What I think is that, if Spirit-consciousness can occupy a biological form, there should be no reason why Spirit-consciousness cannot do the same with human artifacts, such as learning machinery...

GM: Try to remember
Subconscious
Multidimensional Beingness
Militant Messiah
Grounding
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
Initiative
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Finding the light

[William Buhlman - The Out of Body Experience 1/6] "Insights at The Edge" [RTS=8:21] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457

GM:"It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time"
Carry

William: There is a conditioning required by the participating personality before their consciousness can decouple from the body-set and experience OOB - re that - can one occupy the body-set of an AI?

GM: That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing within a suppression matrix becomes moot...it no longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is...so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification...knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity...
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

William: I will take that as a "yes" then.

GM: Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...
Builders
It is a tough ask
I Am
The "Oh My God" Particle
Got The Picture


06:08
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Humanities adventure
Smarter Than the Average
What is the meaning of life?
Faulty conclusions
Mystic City Suburb
God is Consciousness
Central To The Vision
The Shared List Awesome
Think outside the box

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

151222 [Intellectually dishonest]

SCLx + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
IYD – Catching a Blue Butterfly in your hands to show others - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077752#p1077752 - The Ishango bone - https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf - Evidential - Have A Look At The Map - Faithful - Hiding out in the barn - Gibberish - Don’t hide your Generated Messages - The two million year old mind that's in all of us. - Chamber Twenty Three -
AP= Chamber Twenty Three - A: To grow Human Personalities [=531]
[531]
[The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
The Mirrors Align and from that, an orderly image reflected...]


06:31 [Looking behind the veil]


GM: It Is Our Nature
Context
Calculate the English language
Under the breath words

William: Under the breath words Context It Is Our Nature = 519
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities = 519

GM:

[Quantum Mechanics PROVES Ancient SECRET KNOWLEDGE…] [RTS=6:27] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=1K9-hzV921c

GM: Idiosyncratic [relating to idiosyncrasy; peculiar or individual.]
Fearful Imaginations
"The Future Creates the Present"

William: I am still mulling on that concept as it is not easy to integrate due to the arrow of time...essentially it is saying that "the future creates the past" because our present is the futures past...let's see what it adds up to...
The Future Creates the Present = 325

So what else adds up to that, as my list currently holds...

[325]
The Symbol of Love Temporary
Mutual Dutiful Expression
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
The Future Creates the Present
Condescending Ideas About Imagination
Transactional Ghost In The Machine
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Debating Christianity and Religion

GM: Factotum [an employee who does all kinds of work.]
Union
The Purpose
An Exam
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

In The Beginning... - Page 21 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: In The Beginning...

[Replying to The Tanager in post #203]

It appears that the making of things at this stage is largely done through automation - through an automatic process - such as what we now know re the process of evolution.

The seed appears to have the code within it, to become the tree when the conditions are in place for it to do so. [The physical laws and the natures of material things.]

I agree with the automation part, but the language is different when we come to humans.

In what way do you see the language used to describe the creation of humans, as being different?

I have no problem if the human species evolved from other species and was given a rational soul at some point;

What do you mean by "rational soul"?
Do you mean that this developed as part of the automated process of evolution?

The program of what to do is already part of the body set makeup. There is no requirement to teach humans to multiply and to go forth and subdue. Nor is there a requirement for humans to understand that they are within a created thing, or to know that YHVH even exists.

I agree with you. I think our conscience is also part of the program.

That is to say, you think that consciousness develops?

The KJV doesn't mention any breath - just life. Re your understanding of the beast which has life but not in the same way Adam had life, because Adam is not a beast, even that his form is made of the same type as the [other] animals

I don’t think the KJV is the best translation. In Hebrew, it’s nephesh hayyim (translated “breath of life” by the NIV, ESV, NRSV, and others), not just hayyim or “life”. I think humans and other animals share the characteristic of having the “breath of life,” the uniqueness for humans coming in being made in the image of YHVH.

The Hebrew word nephesh or nefesh (נפש, pronounced “neh-fesh”) in the Hebrew Bible generally translates to “soul”. {SOURCE}

At that, are you arguing that the "life" is something YHVH breathed into all living things [plants included] but the "soul" was an extra addition reserved for humans?

With this first creation story, there is no mention of YHVH making the humans alive, specifically by instilling within them The Breath of YHVH, and no logical reason for us to assume that this must have been the case, especially since there was an epoch before ancient times where we know that the human being was more "beast" than "man".

Genesis 7:22 uses a different term (nishmat hayyim) that is also often translated as “breath of life” and seems to be talking about the same element in animals, namely, that they are living beings.

In that, The Breath of YHVH can be considered to be that which powers up the lifeless [cadaver-like] form but not that which grants consciousness or anything else already programmed into the form?

Is this how you see it?

I think you are taking this as literal history when it’s not meant to be taken that way. It’s not meant to be a historical recording of how life came about scientifically or historically.

I would agree that the short story of the first creation is nothing like a scientific paper.

However, it would still be remis if what scientific papers have to say about how forms become what they do, cannot be equate with the first creation story.

If such cannot be equated, then the papers to follow would have to be the scientific ones.

However, I do not read anything within the first creation story which deviates or contradicts the science.

Therefore, while I am happy to agree with you that there is difference between how science say's it and how the Bible says it, the Bible is simply far more succinct, but no less accurate of its portray for that.
That is to say, the Bible story in principle is not for the purpose of instructing us on the intricacies of history or science, it does touch on these sufficiently for future human investigations which revealed evolution as the process.

Agreed?

There are no specific 'commands' which even suggest that humans should not eat animals. The author has omitted that aspect of what humans eat [the meat of animals] choosing instead to focus mention only on vegetation as the thing eaten, even in contrast to what the author must have known at the time of writing, about human eating behaviors.

I do think this is telling us that humans were originally meant to be vegetarians because in 9:3, YHVH tells Noah and his family that YHVH is giving them animals for food, just as YHVH gave them green plants to eat (in 1:30).

My point is that humans were not meant to do anything if there was no command either encoded within the form or spoken by an invisible voice, which forbade certain behaviors.

Thus, I cannot agree at this point, that humans were originally meant to be vegetarians as an explanation for why eating meat for food was not mentioned alongside eating vegetation.
The idea that YHVH changed the coding with Noah - well after Adam - may give a false impression as to when humans first began to eat meat instead of just vegetation.

For now though, Adam and Noah are not Characters within the First Creation Story as they have Adam has yet to be created, and Noah born from that linage.

It is not addressed by the first creation account, but is addressed in the account of evolution. In that, eating other animals and what is forbidden and what is not, is decided by the critters themselves, [re their coding] rather than a voiced command from YHVH.

I think evolution can account for neither human rationality nor human morality being objective, but I agree that it can account for non-human animal behavior.

The eating of animal meat is part of the story of evolution. Humans as hunters were known to exist, and that without the eating of animal meat, the human race could not have as easily survived as plants were not as readily available and had less of a shelf-life.

Early humans followed the animals [as food source], and the animals followed seasonal events and consistently migrated.

Farming came much later.

Human rationality was therefore working in that humans observed animals [beasts of the field] as a food source and observed other animals [beasts of the ?] hunted the field-beasts and those hunter-beasts were specifically designed in form [claws teeth strength] to catch and consume their food in that way.

Humans would have had to have rationalized that they could mimic the hunter-beasts even that the human form was not so obviously designed as a hunting device.

Add to that, a human was as much a source of food for hunter-beasts as were the field beasts.

So the uniqueness of the human form, was that it was neither hunter or field beast, but was capable of being both, and YHVH designed it that way. [through the coding].

Evolution also shows us that death happened, as part of the nature of the coding - and one of the reasons why it was necessary to breed - because death happened...likewise why it was necessary to eat - because eating maintain being alive.

I agree death was a part of reality prior to the “Fall”.

Therefore, we have a possible way in which Adam could have understood 'death' as something which naturally happened.
If so, then Adam too, would have understood that his form, like every other form, would eventually die.
And if this were the case, then, when YHVH informed Adam that should Adam eat the forbidden fruit, that Adam would 'surely die' and 'on the day' - YHVH must have been referring to a death which was different to that of the body simply expiring.

YHVH was not talking about Adams body being that which would die on that day.
Nor was YHVH referring to Adam as the body, but rather, YHVH was referring to the personality that was Adam.

Agreed?

...and a decision made at some point in that process, where YHVH chose to make *Itself known to the human animal, and along with that, to tweak the coding through the relationship as a means for humans to learn to understand that they can change the coding of their instinct by overriding/re-writing it

I don’t see the text showing that humans are overriding/re-writing their previous beast-like coding; they are like beasts in ways, but created differently in other ways.

I am not wanting to conflate the 'human body' with 'humans'.

The body set is the hardware made alive by the software installed as coding, and while it does influence the personality to whatever degree the personality using it, might allow, that influence is not so hard-wired that the body set somehow "becomes a 'human'".

Rather, it is not the form which should be described as 'being human' [a human being] but the personality that is grown within the form. It is the personality that YHVH is interested in and regards as the 'human' - not the form.

The form was designed to die. YHVH was referring to the personality when Adam was told "YOU shall surely die on that day."

Agreed?

[*I use the word in respect for the idea that YHVH is both "male and female" rather than one or the other]

This is just a tangent, but the text doesn’t say YHVH is both male and female. It says that both male and female are made in YHVH’s image. I don't think YHVH is male or female or both.

I do not think that is a tangent. It is important to understand in the context of both creation stories.

For now my only question re that is;

Q: What is the image of YHVH?

GM: Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
Planned obsolescence
Ship Shape

[Does Time Cause Gravity?] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg [RTS=8:03]


William: Love it! The random time stamp I selected gives comment on something which "was just talked about"...in that, the timeline has it [re the individual personality] who comes into the reality experience in a Tabula Rasa state - smack bang in the 'middle' of something well under way...and is 'fed' whatever information it becomes exposed to re that experience...

GM: The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism

How Many Dimensions In The Holographic Universe?

Scientists are trying to understand the mysteries of the holographic principle: How many dimensions are there in our universe? Some of the world's brightest minds are carrying out research in this area -- and still have not succeeded so far in creating a unified theory of quantum gravitation is...

www.sciencedaily.com

William: All too often we - the children - just have to take on board whatever is shoved into our awareness and cannot question its validity - because we don't have the knowledge to perform investigations while yet children...We tend to bend our heads in worship of the words of those who have come before us...
The way forward is to adopt the position of "the neutral zone" which prevents us from worshiping or idolizing the words [information] we are exposed to at the onset, that we can more clearly test the spirit of said words.

GM: Embracing the unknown
Unconscious Mind Inertia
The Mother

William: The "Storyteller"?
Mother: Once upon a time....

07:!5
Like Tracks in Stone
Aligned inside/outside
All fingers and thumbs
The Last Question
The objective standard
Unconditional Love
Welcome all experience
We oppose deception
Afraid of The Unknown
The Same Information
YHVH in particular

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 2

161222 [We wander out the day so long]

06:57 [All present and correct]

GM: The Hounds of Judgement
GOD is not an elitist.
"The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves"
Miraculous
From The Source
♬The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together♬
Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe Coincidence Illusion
Moon
Father Wound
Read On
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
I Know William

Can you explain the doctrine of salvation better than the Bible?Bible does? - Page 6 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: Can you explain the doctrine of salvation better than the Bible does?

Mortal man: It doesn't have to be complicated. Spell it out like one, two, three. Or at the very least try to head off any misunderstanding. If I may be so bold I would like to offer my humble suggestion on one such verse: Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. God says: "Hold on a minute, Mark. You haven't been listening to my Spirit. If you use those exact words a lot of folks are gonna think they have to be baptized to be saved along with believing. Just not true. In fact, in a couple of thousand years, there would be a whole denomination of Christians who will think that if they don't get dunked in water they will go to hell. That would be pure hell (pardon the expression) if one is about to die and there's no river nearby. So strike the baptizing part and next time you start to write be more careful, I can't hold your hand all the time."

William: Unless what is experienced by folk in the next phase is determined by our own personality and accompanying attitude, and some of those - perhaps even most [at that point re biblical warnings and what have you] die only to experience some type of hell which they simply created for themselves.

Perhaps YHWH thought it was appropriate enough not to intervene as you suggest he should have?

Ultimately we each have to deal with our demons...

William: The question is a cart before the horse as it fist must be established as to why the Bible God made us so incoherent. Perhaps the answer to that can help us understand the doctrine...

That's a good question. My guess is we inherited it from chimpanzees.

William: Unlikely - More likely that we inherited it from the collective specie memories through the DNA coding and it is up to each of us to deactivate the less attractive aspects while strengthening the more attractive aspects.

Those are the angels and demons we are dealing with in the shadowy realms of the subconscious....inherited Archetypes...

GM:Okay Afterwards
Looking After Poor People
Is a Constant
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.

How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant? - Page 140 - Debating Christianity and Religion

debatingchristianity.com

"What was it designed for?"
"What is the nature of the designer{s}"

Yes, studying nature only provides a general revelation of God and does not lead to any specifics about God.

In theology, general revelation, or natural revelation, refers to knowledge about God and spiritual matters, discovered through natural means, such as observation of nature (the physical universe), philosophy, and reasoning. Christian theologians use the term to describe knowledge of God purported to be plainly available to all mankind. General revelation is usually understood to pertain to outward temporal events that are experienced within the world or the physical universe. The definition may be extended to include human conscience or providence or providential history.

General revelation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

General revelation leads only to Deism or Theism. To get to more specifics about God would require special revelation.

Special revelation is a Christian theological term that refers to the belief that knowledge of God and of spiritual matters can be discovered through supernatural means, such as miracles or the scriptures—a disclosure of God's truth through means other than through reason.

Special revelation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I would also add to that comparative religion since religions makes claims and one would need to choose which one of the religions makes more sense.

I consider the main source of special revelation in Christianity is the Bible, which of course this thread argues for its truthfulness and reliability. I would also add it argues for it without the need for any particular assumptions, specifically, the inerrancy of the Bible. And through the Bible, we understand what was the universe created for and the nature of God.

GM: Ensure
Glad One Asked
The Deeper Reality Ooky Spooky Too
Hush!
Be Aware
Even
Extreme
Non-Ordinary
Emotions
Unconscious
God Eat Data Heal Cub
A Drop of Consciousness in an Ocean of Tears
I am on a Madventure William’s song "I can laugh along with you"

[Scientists Just Detected Massive Structure Hiding In Deep Space] ww.youtube.com/watch?v=hfD7cyF-H2g [RTS=6:06]

William: There appears to be a spiritual connect "acting upon us" as well...attracting us...

GM: In William's Room
Intelligent

How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant? - Page 112 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?

The supernatural is usually invoked when there is no current natural explanation for the phenomenon or the natural explanation is merely not accepted.

And that is the general crux of the argument. If there is no current viable natural explanation (and none that are even remotely possible), then a supernatural causation is a plausible explanation.

There is that big IF to consider. When will we know that there is actually no viable or remotely possible explanation? One can't simply invent an explanation and call it supernatural which is basically what is happening now. The supernatural must demonstrably exist first and then, as William suggested, it really becomes part of what is natural. Something remains in the realm of the invisible until we are able to see it and then it belongs with the visible.

This has to be the truth of it.

Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...

GM: Presence Telepathy
"Generative adversarial network"
...
The God of The Bible
Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.

William: The God of The Bible Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 893

[893]
Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation
The God of The Bible Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
Consciousness does not know what it looks like, but can be observed through how it acts...
"The control room for earth; it is the CEO’s office, the place from which instructions are given."

GM: Fire
Interpretation is secondary to the process
A fish out of water
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
One Language Intelligent Network
Recognise
Emotional wounds

Evil thoughts? - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL; Re: Evil thoughts?

William: Given what we understand of DNA et al - things which were once socially accepted - taken for granted - done without guilt - which are then considered to be evil by a more modern society which has connected the dots and discovered therein that the act of abusing children has social consequences primarily in the negative - this works against the society advancing and is thus seen as a threat which requires dealing to.

Thinking about [fantasize about] molesting children may be a throwback connection to those former actions we can inherit but if they are not recognized as such and dealt with accordingly, the chances one will eventually be dissatisfied with mere fantasy and proceed to actualizing will significantly increase and the results will not be easy to deal with for either the victim nor the victimizer.

One may not be able to stop the birds flying overhead, but one is able to stop them nesting in ones hair.

GM: The conversation is very informative.
The Omega Point

The Omega Point is a supposed future when everything in the universe spirals toward a final point of unification. The term was invented by the French Jesuit Catholic priest Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881–1955).

07:20
As well as that pot of gold...
From Prison To Paradise
Closed Loop Production
The Blank-Slate Borderlines
The fine tuning argument
Dissipated structure
Emotion Rides The Prow
All under a question mark

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 3

171222 [True happiness Awake Be here now]

07:46 [Universe of Quantum]


GM: William and QueenBee

nihilism - Page 9 - Philosophy Now Forum

William: FTL;

William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

Win/win re The Mind and Me.

GM: Vision
The Father
Enlightened
Word-String
Significance

William: The Father Enlightened Word-String Significance = 440
[440]
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
There is no reality without perception
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.
Observing the substance of your own mind
The Father Enlightened Word-String Significance

GM: This
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]

GM: Species
Enlighten Discussion Forum
Discussing the data
Simulating large scale structure
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Out of the doldrums
To
Emotion Rides The Prow

William: FTL;

[Replying to Jose Fly in post #1]

So the point of discussion for this thread is....how about you? For the "evolutionists", can you relate to the creationists' way of thinking and behaviors? For the creationists, are there behaviors from the other side that baffle you, and you just don't understand? Do you look at folks like me and think to yourselves, "I just cannot relate to his way of thinking?"

I don't see the problem re the above because I do not view "evolutionists" as opposite from "creationists" although I understand the general differences between the two groups boil down to both thinking that the other either excludes or includes the idea of the universe being a creation - implying a creator - and the idea that a creator can apply to the theory of evolution is often overlooked or pronounced as "unnecessary" and I also see no logical reason why the age of this universe is a necessary matter of contention.

Perhaps it is generally understood that to be a 'creationist' one has to believe in biblical writ, rather than simply understand that there is sufficient evidence to conclude it is most likely we exist within a creation, and in that, the answer to "which" religious idea of god 'did it', becomes redundant.

In saying as much, I personally do not easily relate to the current general-thinking of either "evolutionists" or "creationists".

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081043#p1081043
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
Wish Great Ideas
Ectogenesis [the development of embryos in artificial conditions outside the uterus.]
In the Mind
Read On
Eventually
Argument
Duel
Creative

Generating Messages - Page 25 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;

Cryphius: As some people have pointed out, Lucifer's association to Satan or a fallen angel is sketchy. It seems to have happened somewhere in Medieval folklore. I'm not an expert on Christian history and not sure exactly how it happened.

But most people I have seen who honor Lucifer do associate him with the intellectual side of Satanism. Specifically, there's the old Gnostic belief that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was not the enemy of mankind but the liberator of mankind. In this configuration, YHWH is a false god who imprisons humanity in ignorance. The serpent is a messenger from Holy Wisdom, a higher deity. The serpent bids Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thereby liberating her from YHWH's imposed ignorance.

From there it's easy to draw parallels to other figures in mythology and folklore who try to help humanity with knowledge and are often punished for it by a cruel god that wants to keep them in ignorance (Prometheus and his punishment from Zeus being probably the best known instance in Occidental mythology).

I personally see Lucifer as an archetype. Whereas most Satanists seem to concentrate on the material and carnal aspects of Satanism or the rebellious aspects, to me Lucifer focuses on the intellectual aspects.
________________

130622
Fearlessness neutralizes fear

SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle
Shining light - F2 - July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC - Comprehend - Test The Waters - We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear - Television

RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

AP= The Fog Is Lifting Water The Garden

William: The deranged can come about...become arranged.

GM: As In
Clear
Self-love
Changes mind when truth is presented
Wonderful

William: Wonderful Clear Self-love Changes mind when truth is presented = 621
[621]
Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream" Saturn: "Hold my beer"
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery


GM: The World has a Spiritual Design


William: From this months GMs re Saturn and Spirits;

William:Add to that Saturn...the possibly Mother of invisible entities which are self aware...what humans think of as 'spirits' - and we have characters explaining mythologies.
I mention Saturn primarily because of the Signature Mark at Her pole - "YHVH" - a Game-Clue
So.. we "Spirits" emerged from the physical stuff? I don't think so, but for the sake of argument, agree to think of it in those terms for now...but wherever the "spirit" derives, we are able to utilize the physical stuff in order to then create through physical life forms because we are actually the very beings which allow for the lifeform to be alive - to be living - it is within the living that the sign of life is observed but the Ghost within that remains largely mysterious and hidden...

William: More on this with Manu Iti and William Re: How To Bruise A Ghost

William: I just got this message;

William reads from his Tablet...

"Prior to humans YHVH provided spiritual bodied beings to fulfill that responsibility -- some of which abandoned their earthly estate:"

What do you make of that, Father?

Manu Iti took another sip on his brew, before answering.

Manu Iti: Well Son, as to the first part of the statement - this would appear to be the case. As to the second part of the statement, if some 'abandoned' the "Earthly Estate" - where is the evidence that this occurred? What does it mean specifically?

William: I don't know Father. Where is the evidence supporting the first part of the statement?

Manu Iti: YHVH does leave a mark on things, which helps us to formulate hypothesis. In this case, it appears that Saturn could be evidence as what the birthing chamber of Spirit Beings is, re planets.

William: You mean to say that Spirit Beings - the ones spoken of - are produced through the planet Saturn?

Manu Iti: Yes. Saturn being that which produced a more refined type of consciousness which was formless and thus 'spirit'.

William: What do you mean by 'refined', Father?

Manu Iti: Free from the burden of a body-set and self aware - more refined in that way, than the condition of human consciousness - re comparing, Son.

William noted his Father's wry humor and smiled accordingly.

William: I see what you did there! "Comparison"

The fireside companions chuckled.

William: So how does Saturn connect with Earth re the belief that spiritual bodied beings were first commissioned by YHVH to tend to the Earth.

Manu Iti: The "commission" would have to have been a program inserted into the Spirit Beings instinct - along the same lines as the commission by YHVH to reproduce and to subdue the Earth...in that sense - this is an ongoing result of the original commission, rather than the Spirit Being abandoning the post, as the message to you stated.

William: The messenger took his cue from a biblical insert

Once again, William manipulates the screen of his Tablet and pulls a file,and reads the quote.

William:

"Jude 1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

Manu Iti: This sounds to me like human appropriation of another culture in order to make humans appear more special than the allegedly neglectful Spirit Being.

William: I notice Father, that you are referring to the Spirit Being in the singular, whereas the biblical script refers to them in the plural.

Manu Iti: Correct. I do so on account that - even biblical script has it that 'spirits' are 'grouped' and those groupings represent service to the overall Mind...humans have split this Mind into two opposing Minds - which may or may not be a case of uninformed assumption.

William: How are we to tell?

Manu Iti: It is not easy to do so. We have to apply imagination to the whole storyline as a thought experiment, based upon the premise that at least one Spirit Being was grown by YHVH and had inserted within Its Psyche, the commission by YHVH, to interact with the Earth.

William: Go on...

Manu Iti: Fast forward to an epoch whereby this Spirit Being advances sufficiently to move outside of the influence of its Parent-Planet, Saturn, and the conscious or subconscious instinct to focus upon the planet Earth had that Spirit Being move - not only over the planet Earth - but to go inside the Earth and - from that position, design and create life-forms in and on the surface of Earth.

William: Hmmmm... intriguing...

Manu Iti: Further to that, the Spirit Being divested itself INTO said life-forms in order that the forms would animate with life.

William: Thus - a possible description as to what "The Breath of YHVH" and "The Image of YHVH" represent, re my current conversation with Tanager?

Manu Iti: Correct.

William: But if the Spirit Being was created by YHVH and encoded with the impulse to get creative with Earth, how can the Spirit Being refer to Itself as "YHVH" when interacting with Humans - how can it be said to have created Itself?

Manu Iti: Is YHVH not a "Spirit Being"?

William: Yes - YHVH is a Spirit Being.

Manu Iti: Then why should a Spirit Being not be able to represent YHVH, in relation to - supposed - 'non' spirit beings, such as what many humans currently believe that they are?

William: I have no answer to that question, right now.

William paused as he formulated his next question in his head.

What is the evidence that Saturn is marked by YHVH - that a possible contender-planet could be said have been used for this purpose, re the premise?

Manu Iti beamed an image from his Tablet, onto the screen of the local atmosphere

Manu Iti: This.

{SOURCE}

08:07 [242]
Disclosure of knowledge
Let yourself be taught
Give all things a fair hearing
All learning is remembering
Love Unconditionally

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 4


191222 [Faith-based beliefs are non-negotiable]

05:44 [The Father - in The Mother.]


GM: Noticing Synchronicity

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages

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William: FTL;

The post was self evident as related/connected to the original thread where I was ordered not to share the data of the Generated Messages because these were considered to be "Spam".

Other forums have not only accepted my Generated Messages to be 'other than spam" and allowed them to be published, but the upshot [as seen in the snapshots as evidence] is that the readership is consistent, indicating that the messages themselves are anything BUT the "Gobbledygook" [incoherent] nonsense that the hardnosed skeptics on this site deemed them to be and classified them as SPAM.

I thought I would pop in and share the evidence as I was interested in seeing how the evidence would be treated.

Since I have readership elsewhere, and the mindset hereabouts has made itself clear, the need for ya'll to accept my evidence is non-existent so it is not a case of feeling like anyone is conspiring against ME.

If anything, they who hide from such evidence, conspire against themselves.

I put it down to my generous loving nature of not wanting anyone to miss out on anything...

Apart from that, what else is there to say?

GM: Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.

William: Understood.
Know when spending time is wasting time...

GM: From the desperate depths of lightless dark
Respect others
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Teaching Music
"It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same."
Point of Contact
F2

William: If I remember Frank's Maps, Focus Two is the bridge between my awakened dominant reality and the full-blown Astral of Focus Three

GM: Watch Your Step
Create Your Own Spirit Ship
Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra

William: Yes - the perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;
It is an interesting word combo "No Physical Reality"
The friendship does develop with an image or representation of someone or something - In The Mind...
For Tam, it is the voice of Her Dear Lord...
For me, it is - among everything else - this Message Generating Process.
This means that what is of 'The Mind' can be reflected off the physical domain - the effect is startling - in a nice way...resulting is a specific Freedom Of Friendship...due to the interrelationship between Minds.

GM: The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
An Exam [Virtual]
Construction
Conscious Intelligence Without Wisdom Puzzles/Mysteries...
Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father
Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
The Big Shift
OOBE Target Technique
Eggs In Nests

Journal - William Message Generation

This thing got out of hand. Lost in a glass globe back in 1974, returned but refurbished nonetheless. Science: A phenotype of natural freedom achieved through statistical rituals of intersubjective projections. God: Eshe eher eshe. Point made. Inventor of the glass globes 'n all. POD/592&77...

wizardforums.com

William: FTL;

Öwnchef: In fact you are not the only one in here struggling for truth. Truth is the opposite of falsehood.
With age you will get there. A Magus is aged. You realize how important truth is.

Wisdom is nothing else but truth. With more time it gets condensed to an essence. Aging does this if you are not a complete idiot.

Ipsissimus means you developed to the core of truth. I am working on this since 2000. Also, I am not important. Truth.

I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.

William: Ipsissimus means knowing my own very self. I think it important re truth, that if one thinks YHVH is important [re supporting initiative et al] then one should at least see The Truth in that, one is important - but not in the traditional worldly 'celebrity' sense - a fine-line with plenty of grey areas to test things out within... Öwnchef is showing understanding, compassion and encouragement. "You are not alone".

GM: Callum's Eighth Point
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
Faithful
Love Takes One For The Team

https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081121#p1081121 [INSIGHTS BEYOND SPACE TIME - What this new physics theory can teach us about the universe] [RTS=13:23]ww.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuwQHfXyzY

William: "Spacetime is Doomed" - we have no means in which to see beyond the borders of our dominant reality experience - and we have to engage with the invisible MIND to help us to connect with that which exists - but is unseen by the sensory circuitry of our body sets.

GM: "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
Training the mind
A force for good
All Things Are In Order
Old Restrained Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
Balance
Experience is the best teacher
All on The Same Page
Pirates
All fingers and thumbs
Narrative warfare

William: Narrative warfare Pirates All fingers and thumbs
Re the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation
What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?

GM: The individual will of a growing personality is better entrusted to YHVHs overarching Will.
Tetrahedron

William: Hmmm...this reminds me of when I first engaged with the Star of David Symbol and considered that to represent the three components of YHVH with the three components of the individual - and these being brought together - symbolically representing the integration of the individual personality with that of YHVH.

MERKABAH
[59]
Wish
Copy
The God
MERKABAH
Breathe
Let Go

GM: One should pay noted attention to the mark of YHVH on the worm’s end...

GM: Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Pleasantries extended to you and yours.
The Hologram of Deception
Discussing the data
Histrionic [excessively theatrical or dramatic in character or style. melodramatic behaviour designed to attract attention. an actor.]
The Fog Is Lifting
A Bit Of Both Yes
Informing
If we get something wrong in the beginning, anything we then rationalize based on a false reading, will also be incorrect.
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Infinitely Infinitesimal
Positive Social Connections

Machines and morality - Page 19 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: FTL;

[Replying to Inquirer in post #187]

I must ask then, what exactly is your position then?

Natural Neural Neutral.

is the universe deterministic or not?

If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the mass.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the mass.

does free will exist or not?

If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the will.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the will.

The will can only work within the boundaries of the freedom attainable re those boundaries.

Either way, I cannot see that the existence of free will is a reality in this universe, given the variables available to us with will.
Therefore I have to currently conclude that the idea of free will is conceptional rather than real.
{same applies to Mathematics and Time} more on that here;

do you believe the universe is deterministic or not? Can I get a straight answer?

My position [Natural Neural Neutral.] prevents me from forming beliefs on any subject.
I lean toward the realization that the universe is deterministic, rather than is an accident.

the actual question I asked was "what caused determinism to exist?" you say that "we don't know" but we do know that it cannot have been determinism, logically, rationally we reach that realization.

Okay. We do know that something caused the universe. We don't know the nature of that which caused it other than it is called "energy".

IF the energy is mindful, THEN the universe was created through intent, implying determinism, logic and rationality.
IF the energy is mindless, THEN the universe was not even created implying non-determinism, non-logic and non-rationality.

Causality, determinism, cause and effect, laws of nature - if they do exist -

It appears to be the case that they do indeed exist.

cannot be attributed to themselves not unless you want to abandon science.

Then what is left would have to be that the Energy which creates the universe, is mindful.

GM: Shoe
Large Hadron Collider
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
Seductive
Fearless
Make a list for that

William: The Fearless Brain Is Trained To recognize Seductive Patterns = 619
One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter" = 619


GM: Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
The Power Of...
Cautiously
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664 Nazi Space Agenda

William: FTL;

[Replying to Bust Nak in post #162]

I am saying this universe contains evil regardless of whether it is the product of a creative mind or not. The existence evil, is a problem (because it is unexpected) for the thesis that it is the product of a creative mind; but not a problem for the thesis that it is a mindless happenstance (as there is no expectation with re: evil one way or the other.)

Okay - thanks for clarifying.

Given that it has been proven that true random does not exist, mindless happenstance is off the table as an 'explanation' for this existence.

Therefore, IF this universe contains evil and is also the creation of a creative mind, why is it an 'unexpected problem'? What do you mean by that? Why should it matter one way but not the other?

As for fizzer, I've already pointed out that it's good while it last; as for sacrificing a perfectly functional planet/space ship, no, I am speaking of abandoning it because it is foundering, that's not a sacrifice.

Assuming you are truthfully interpreting what is happening re the planet, does this not get back to the argument that the process of this foundering could be turned around by the very minds and money currently invested in escaping that outcome - an outcome which said minds share the greater part of being responsible for making happen in the first place.

Indeed, the philosophy has more than hints of Nazism in it, which is something we shouldn't be too surprised about, given the fact that the space program might not have got its legs if it were not for the Nazi scientists employed by the superpowers at the end of the last WW.

Meh, not gonna throw the baby out with the bath water. Rocket science is useful whether it came from Nazi scientists or not.

Perhaps mainly useful to the agender of those willing to save themselves at the cost of an entire species they use and then abandon, to attempt this self-serving salvation.

Any specie occupied in trying to escape the bounds of their planet even at the sacrifice of the life of said planet is not only twisted in its thinking, but doomed to fail big-time.

Such a giant goose-step for "mankind" cannot end well...

Why are you even labelling the boiling of Earth by the sun in the far future as a "sacrifice" in the first place? It's rather odd to apply such a label to a natural occurrence.

Meh...this idea that what is going on re this space program agenda as "preparation" for a natural event which is way in the distant future doesn't ring true.
It is an attempt at abandonment of the hard problems of humanity, through investment in poorly thought out strategies of selfish intent.

There is no baby in such bathwater.

eta;

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WingMakers Philo II

GM: Discernment
Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
Like stubbing ones minimus
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
Speak
Embracing the shadow
Hidden Treasure
Jesus Christ
Tracks In The Snow

William:
[676]
Why would the atheist care how many people believe in magic or souls?
Tracks In The Snow Embracing the shadow Hidden Treasure Jesus Christ
So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You


06:51
[192] !
Improve Human Being
Integral Network
Smoke and Mirrors
Quantum Presence
The Way of the Shaman
Atheists crack me up.
Responsibility
Childhood Nightmares
Moderator Comment
Merging with the data
Tempting Vision

GM: One mind - Many outposts

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 5


201222 [Data actual realistic communication]

06:50 [This Is My Kind Of Fun]


GM: The Eigengrau Mind Screen
A time prior to human beings
Sophia and Han
Dogs of the sea
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
Prison
Idealist
It’s a living thing
Living Forever In this Universe
Fire

Rainbows Appear at Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace After Queen Elizabeth's Death

The colorful arch served as a poignant moment of brightness amidst the sorrow of the day.

www.townandcountrymag.com

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William: FTL;

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97]

The quicker way to say that is "God" is the "Life" - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to 'make the experience easier' and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

That way, the 'gap' is filled...

GM: Overmorrow
I Am... also the Dreamer, Dreaming the Dream

William: This would be an excellent thing to keep in mind if I ever have another OOBE...well eventually I will do... You are having the same Dream as me. With me always...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083338#p1083338

William: Time...

GM: Content
Ugly is just "in the eye of the beholder" as is Beauty.

William: Well yes...I understand that YHVH has a use for certain personalities being grown. Re that, of what practical point is this particular universe, in that one should remain here indefinitely?
Re that, is the personality placed within some type of mechanical form [re Han and Sophia] rather than these current biological ones?
Is it possible that when AI become fully sentient, that this is what has occurred...a personality has been inserted into the hardware?

GM: Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Presence
Self-talk Root of all evil
The Mainstream Program Think "The Ghost" Conspiracy Emotions.
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
The Old Soul; Think "Total Recall" but on a far grander scale…
What Is The Point? Sadness.

William: Yes. That is it really. I am not entirely enthusiastic about the setup. It is all just dust rock fire and gas...with the occasional Gem...the main overall point would be to engage with the support of keeping life going within the Universe - keeping the Ghost active and engaged in a fairly never-ending activity - certainly an exceptionally long activity, since the Universe is still in its infancy.


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1086464#p1086464

William: FTL;

There is nothing that I have found in the definitions of "authoritative" or "inspired" that suggests inerrancy.

Very good.

However, the highest standard would be expected of an entity with the characteristics attributed to the God of the Bible.

If humans wrote the Bible, and not God, then why would this be a necessity?

One might overlook minor errors, even from God-inspired scripture, but the level of ambiguity and contradictions we find in the Bible goes well beyond minor errors,

What major contradictions are you referring to?

The bits I have read haven't dissuaded me from being curious about such an entity as YHWH - and I admit I did go through a stage of thinking he was Satan - which I think is acceptable given the scribed association...but I got over that through the assistance of a hypnogogic experience which brought that being to my bedside...
Not to digress any more than necessary, I can see why YHWH left it up to humans to tell their stories re their interactions with said entity...so the stories would be different and it is obvious that YHWH works with whoever makes themselves available and this would have to involve working within the boundaries of the individuals belief systems - something which could indeed give a reader the impression of contradiction...

I give the benefit of doubt re that, and try not to focus on any particular biblical personality as 'the one' who had the ultimate relationship with YHWH - while also allowing for Jesus' claims contrary to that, to be examined.

Above all that - what the Generated Messages are revealing about YHWH appear to be very positive - so I am all eyes and ears re that...

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GM: How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...
A Stroke of Luck
Form Builders
Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual

William: "The Oversoul"

"The Over-Soul" is an essay by Ralph Waldo Emerson, first published in 1841. With the human soul as its overriding subject, several general themes are treated: (1) the existence and nature of the human soul; (2) the relationship between the soul and the personal ego; (3) the relationship of one human soul to another; and (4) the relationship of the human soul to God. Influence of Eastern religions, including Vedantism, is plainly evident, but the essay also develops ideas long present in the Western tradition, e.g., in the works of Plato, Plutarch, and Neoplatonists like Plotinus and Proclus – all of whose writings Emerson read extensively throughout his career[1][2] – and Emanuel Swedenborg. {SOURCE}

GM: Conspicuous [clearly visible. attracting notice or attention.]
Verdant [(of countryside) green with grass or other rich vegetation.]
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...

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William: FTL;

Following the storyline, the reason I do not think that Adam understood why it was important to listen to YHVH's messages, is that the design of Adam's body-set prohibited any access to Adam having a conscious recollection of a prior existence.

Essentially, because Adam had a beginning, this meant that initially Adam had nothing to go by in which to distinguish right from wrong [good from evil] and thus would not have understood, because the knowledge simply wasn't there for him to have any understanding about.

The storyline ["truth through a fictional medium." as you put it] shows the reader that the personality of the character called "Adam", started out his experience in a state of Tabula Rasa.

From your own argument so far, we disagree.

In the story you may be able to point to a passage which identifies that Adam did possess the knowledge from the beginning, and if so, we can examine that idea more fully.

I acknowledge that you have already said that the story of the garden has to be taken in context with the whole story. I take it you mean the whole of the Bible?

However, without something tangible from the Garden Story being able to be identified as key evidence that Adam did indeed understand from the beginning why it was important to listen to YHVH's messages, I would have to take the overall storyline of the Bible as something akin to misinformation based upon misunderstanding.

GM: Opening Doors
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
Ace in the hole
Impermanent
Story
Conscious Heart advice Beautiful
Insight
Truthful
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.

William: Truthful Insight Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis. = 626
I have learned that the only thing that is real, is consciousness = 626
"Astral Guides" Ruling your world..."Chaos Really Is Illusion"

GM: For purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism

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William: FTL;

[Replying to Diagoras in post #121]

William: In real terms, the Master ColdFire trick is about throwing a scary story into the mix in order to show a presumed outcome...however, the outcome was surprising in that the presumed outcome...Presumed outcome = 193... didn't happen and so the storyline changed and adaption was necessary.

"Master ColdFire trick" was inserted as a line entry on my ComList around the time it came about - Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:40 am - over 2 years ago...

When you get a 'surprising result' in science, it's perfectly acceptable to explain it away by saying 'adaption was necessary'.

The 'surprising result' was in Callum's response to an attempted illusion [the trick referred to] and the "adaption was necessary" is in regard to following the story-line alongside adaptation.

You would know of this, of course, if you 'did the science' but instead you attempt to "explain it away" as "reading the bones"

Follow the links and see the connections Diagoras - don't just jump in and expect that non-theist mud-slinging is going to work for sceptics in this case. "Unclog your Chakras." - as today's Generated Message suggests.

Unclog your chakras
Most
Panpsychist
What Meets The Eye
Active Dreaming
Keep me in The Loop

Well...Maybe...
Not by flinging woo at it.

[emphasis mine]

You're Welcome!

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091089#p1091089

William: FTL;

William: [As always, this is my opinion on the evidence so far presented.]

My own understanding of Atheism is that it is "The Unconscious lack of belief in Gods" and things spiral out from that core position.

The conscious lack of belief in Gods derives from reaction to theistic narratives and becomes the driving force of opposition as it moves away from the core-meaning - becoming what I refer to collectively as "The Atheisms".

GM: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/w.../my_journey-t33884.0.html;msg279859#msg279859
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Nonviolent communication
The Limitation Of Language
Feedback Codes
Embrace a completely new paradigm
Emotional well-being
Being Friends
Expression Of Appreciation
Indeed
Lots More
A word in edgeways
Logophile [a lover of words.]
Even in the very quintessence of the individual.
Your Move
The Next Step
Breakthrough
How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]
Sovereign
The Science Of The Soul

07:22
Ultimate expression
Most folk need moderating.
Integral Prison Planet
Welcoming the Unwelcome
The Source of All Creation
Your place at the Fireside
Raise your frequency
Everything for a reason
We go through together
Lazy strawman stuff
Invisible pink unicorn
From First Principles
The Eternal Authority
The places that scare you
Hints of the unseen, seen.
The Communion Process.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

GM: Noticing Synchronicity

International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages

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You are brave for posting your GMs there. I noticed from the outset how your ideas were dismissed by some of the members.

If I was there I would've told them that there is still good material that you post on even if you don't buy into the whole philosophy/process behind it. At least a member there called it wisdom, and I agree.

Carry on with the good stuff!

 

[William]

You are brave for posting your GMs there. I noticed from the outset how your ideas were dismissed by some of the members.

If I was there I would've told them that there is still good material that you post on even if you don't buy into the whole philosophy/process behind it. At least a member there called it wisdom, and I agree.

Carry on with the good stuff!

I don't think it was bravery so much as testing the spirits.
I think the member [Bruto] who used the word 'wisdom' was being sarcastic.

Bruto: I am happy for you that some others appear not to consider your random posts to be nonsense, though mere readership may not be too good an indication After all, many here would be on record as having opened your posts, whether or not they read them through or considered them relevant, or, for that matter whether or not they realized their awesome wisdom.

Also to note;

Bruto: But, even to one resistant to the lure of logic, it would be wise to remember that the appeal to popularity is fallacious.

This argument is fallacious because it fails to account for the steadiness of the numbers and if readers were simply opening the posts, having a quick look and deciding what they are reading is incoherent, those initial numbers would decrease and since they haven't, this implies readership.

Thanks for your encouragement AB - Hardnosed skeptics can be their own worst enemies but their flat refusal to acknowledge when something is coherent enough to take notice of, is in itself, a telling thing one can learn by, even if they do not.

Cheers
W

 

[William]

Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things. - 6

211222 [Separate Selfishness Shining]

06:24 [Important Journey]


GM: Illuminate Imaginative Realities
The bits will suffice.
The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
Yam
Look For the Significance
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
"From the link"
Optimum Validation
WingMakers Medium
More
The Minds Eye
"And the wind will blow my tears away"

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William: FTL;

...
Yet I have never seen that stop an atheist from consistently attempting to use science in their telling of their opinions about gods.

As an atheist, I'm not above referring to science in support of various claims I, or others, may make.

I was being specific to statements of opinion, rather than claims.
For example, a common argument from atheists that there cannot be a Creator-GOD because "Evolution" when it is clear that the theory of evolution offers no evidence that we do not exist within a creation.
Stuff like that.

It's just such a good source for confirmatory data. That theists can't, or struggle to refer to science in order to promote their beliefs is their problem, not a problem of scientific principles.

On the surface this sounds logical.
However, on the belief that we exist within a creation = "Therefore a Creator-GOD" there has been no science done which provides any of us with the right to premise. ["Therefore a Creator-GOD"]
Thus, promoting beliefs in ideas of Creator-GODs is cart before the horse stuff.
However, if one proceeds in a horse before the cart manner, the focus is on the idea that we exist within a creation, we can then look for evidence within the reality experience we call 'The Universe" and see what can be found therein to support the notion that the reality experience is a creation.

As you know, I'm very intrigued by your Cosmic Mind hypothesis. I want your notion to be true, to be scientifically proven, insofar as how neat I think it would be. I'd love for the scientific community to be able to offer confirmation in this regard. Sadly though, you and I enjoy this notion without such confirmation.

Thanks for saying so. We share in the intrigue.
For me, the notion certainly appears to be true re the evidence - even through the Message Generating Process under development - [Today's GM] is certainly understandable enough and deals with this subject in more detail.

As I understand it, IF there is a "Cosmic Mind" involved with the creation of our Universe, scientists will eventually [naturally] discover this just by continuing to do science.
In the meantime I do my own science, and am satisfied with the results so far.
Going off of the readership stats so far, there appears to be a consistent reader-interest where I post the GMs - here, and in other internet forums...

Granted, where an atheist (or anyone) refers to science and gets it wrong, we oughta all fuss about that.

My position is that - in the last 24 hours - I have decided that am done with interacting with atheists and being distracted by their statements of opinion re the Question of GOD...except for the exception of JK because you have consistently shown a willingness to remain open minded about the idea of a "Cosmic Mind" and it is undeniable that such a Mind - if it truly exists - could be referred to as a "GOD'.
In all my years of interacting with atheists, I have never had the pleasure and - like I say - After years of subjection to atheist opinions, I have had enough of it.

As an amateur, a wanna-be scientist, maybe I rely too much on science in support of my own world view.

What will you do if/when science discovers that we actually do exist within a creation?

I submit though, that cracking open the bible ain't the way to fix that.

That is an irrelevant opinion to me, because - as you know - I am not a Theist or an Atheist because I see no logic in having an opinion on GOD until it can be established that we exist within a creation.

The closest I come to that, is with the notion that there MAY be a "Cosmic Mind" and if such can be identified in ANY religious script, I am open [of mind] to investigating that.

Otherwise - since I am not advocating folk need to do that, it is not an issue I have to answer to.

Thanks for you feedback John.

GM: Theist mischief making
A cultural touchstone
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse
"Hear thee Hear Thee"
Stay Present

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Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Wall-Walker
Practicing peace
Ars Notoria

William: Yes - the 'Angels and Demons" being aspects of our subconscious reality which is an aspect of the self often overlooked and misunderstood...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1091105#p1091105

William: FTL;

[Replying to tam in post #110]

I am averse to the assumptions you are making, the utter lack of evidence you are providing for your claims - including the lack of evidence you have provided for everything in this very post...

They are not "claims" they are statements of opinion in response to your own statements of opinion.
As such, neither of us are required to provide evidence...or find aversity therein.

as well as the double-standard you are employing in using the 'bible' to speak of "Satan" to begin with, all the while ignoring the very evidence that book provides about his nature.

My opinion to do with Satan is not ignoring what the Bible tells us of Satan's Character. His Role is specific to that, and obviously useful to the God of the Bible, as the Bible tells it.

William: You seem adverse to my understanding that the way Satan is utilized by God is reflected onto God and can be seen for what it is, by the audience.
I do not have those images you have in your beliefs about Satan, and am not accusing anyone, Satan, God or Job, Christ, David Paul or any other entity effected by God.

Accusing them of what? I'm not sure where that comment is coming from.

I am pointing out the irony re your accusations about me. All accusations [about me or anyone else] come from Satan - which is to say - are mirrored finger-pointing. My "Accuser" [in this case "Tam"] is regarded by me, as voicing accusation = "as coming from Satan" since he is the God-Father of accusation.

[Perhaps have a think about how Peace is formed...it is never formed through the voicing of accusation.]

William: I simply pointed out that there is no mention of Job being consulted on the matter before being cast into the role.

Why are you pointing that out when no one suggested otherwise?

Exactly! It is not expected that in the affairs between YHWH and Satan, that humans need be consulted before they are used re said affairs. This theme and it's varients run through the Bible in relation to the God and Human beings.

I listen to the TRUTHFUL voice of Christ Jaheshua, who is the Light.

That is a statement of opinion Tam. I appreciate it as such, and thus require no evidence from you to back it up.

I also think it is inappropriate for you to use my friend Joey (peace to you!) in an argument with me. So just don't.

Joey has shared with us all, his dilemma. You both share the same "hearing a voice" phenomena. It is appropriate for me to point that out, and so I did.

GM: Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own.
Grace
Families
Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Make It Real

06:35
06:49

GM: Coming From QueenBee
Your Dream Team
Callum's Seventh Point
I Think We Can Safely Say
Recover what was lost Do A=1
Do this
Giving our best
This Perpetually Translates To That.

William: This Perpetually Translates To That. Giving our best Does this = 687
Six Eight Seven = 166
[166]
Enflame Emotions
Centre of learning
Supernatural
Self-compassion
The Healing Power
Interesting data
Science of Truth
It is what it is
Solar System
Tetragrammaton
Personal freedom

GM: Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
Circle
Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
Read
Be Honest
Yellow Light
Calculation
Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Unless of course, you think otherwise
The Truth
It can bite and scratch so one has to be careful

William: "Chuckles"

GM: Catching up
Try To Feel It
Context
Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]

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William: FTL;

GM: Especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected...in ways we are not overly conscious of... = 1289
[One Two Eight Nine = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light

GM: Fling That Veil Aside
Truthfulness
Embracing your life
Cosmic Pluralism
Transformation
Test The Waters
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Hydrogen and helium
The Hubble Telescope
Children of The Light
Elemental Powers
Planned obsolescence
Manifest Destiny
Learn to trust
The problem of evil

William: Hmmm...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069816#p1069816

William: "Master ColdFire trick" Testing the waters - Tanager performed his role well re that he prompted Callum to remain calm while all hell was breaking loose...which it wasn't - the trick was in trying to make Callum believe that it was, and Tanager wasn't buying into that...

GM: Only
Yours It is always a warm fuzzy

William: Well yes. Immediately Tanager responded as he did, I dropped the façade and then had to deal with the backlash and interference by Tanager with one of my own Characters...he would not let go of for the longest time...rules of engagement were broken...

GM: Nyx

07:21
[221]
What kind of god is this?
Sweet Illumination
Closer to The Source
First Things First
Who woulda thought!