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[bbyrd009]

I guess I should've started by answering question #2 from the Opening post but luckily the conversation with Scooter and bbyrd has naturally led into that.

2. As an extra to help clarify, what is the difference between Hell and Hades and Heaven and Paradise?

Here's where I'm at now. My understanding is that Sheol (and NT equivalent Hades) is some underworld place that the dead go to. I could challenge this view by simply asking for evidence since such a world could be investigated by having scientists dig deep into the Earth. But this is the theology section of the forum so I'll leave that for another topic. So I can say that Sheol/Hades are on Earth according to the Bible.

I'm still on the fence if Hell is also on Earth but that's only because I'm on the fence about Hell being equivalent to Hades/Sheol. If the concepts are equivalent, then Hell also exists on Earth. For now, the only good reason I have to equate Hell and Hades is because I'm so used to associating Hell with punishment and for dead non-believers to already be in Sheol going through punishment would mean that Sheol (or a part of it) is the same as Hell. But I do consider that the two aren't the same if I can come around to accepting that there are 2 phases of punishment in the afterlife, a temporary one in Sheol for those that have already died, and then there's another one that will include all the wicked (dead and alive) - with the second one being the Lake of Fire or Hell.

20All go to one place; all come from dust, and all return to dust
so you might at some point want to discuss what the strong delusion is about, or even go search “afterlife” in the Bible for yourself.
it all descends from that cult of sol thingy, see, the Jesus as Apollos with all the flitting around, the being washed in blood bc being under the law, the Elysian Fields, all of it
the Bible states specifically, several different ways, that No one has ever gone up to heaven, Furthermore the Father judges no one, how many other ways do you need

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anyway im out, ill let you discuss this with Clowncar without me interfering any more ok.

 

[Scooter]

I'm still on the fence if Hell is also on Earth but that's only because I'm on the fence about Hell being equivalent to Hades/Sheol.

To be perfectly honest with you, I don’t know if the Lake of Fire has even been created yet. I do believe Sheol/Hades is in the pits of the earth, but I can’t say with certainty where the Lake of Fire is if it has been created. The last 3/4 of Revelations is prophecy that has not happened yet so I don’t know if God has formed the Lake of Fire.

 

[bbyrd009]

every time you make a statement you put your foot in your mouth lol, swear to God.
How, tf, do you know when The Rev occurs?
Fwiw you are tragically, fatally mistaken, ok?

Scooter, im aware that i dinged your ego when you were found out—as can easily enough be seen on this page—but i have already apologized and asked your forgiveness. Well knowing that that would be in vain. And just so you know, im ok with your refusal to engage on the issues, and your substituted prevarications and misdirections that im sure in your mind serve as responses, but hopefully you dimly perceive that i will continue to call you out on those—which you can of course ask for specifics but i already know you wont—simply to keep the page from becoming complete garbage

Oh my ego was not hurt at all, because I was right in everything I offered. You may have attempted to call me out, but all you did was throw out childish insults. The truth is I am the one who has exposed your ignorance of Biblical doctrines.

yet you have never heard of the Cult of Sol Invictus? You are not even qualified to ask questions yet, Scooter

I’ve never claimed to be an expert on cults. If this is your choice of study, and you consider yourself an expert in this field then I congratulate you. My focus has always been on the Bible. So if I ever make false claims about your cult, feel free to call me out. And in turn I will expose your misinformation about the Bible.

yes, Scooter, i do realize that you dont yet understand what Apollos waters means, and that you are not even trying to, ok, in fact actively oppose that information. I am wise in my own eyes too lol

Now, if you wish to discuss the location of Heaven, Paradise, Hell, Hades or Sheol then I’m game. If all you want to do is disparage me and/or my beliefs, then you’ll do so by yourself.

BTW, I’m still waiting for you to show me where I slandered someone on this forum.

hold your breath maybe?

anyway, my apologies ok, im kinda stressed at the moment, and i already knew better than to mix milk and meat.
I do wish you the best of luck Scooter, bye

 

[AgnosticBoy]

and fwiw i wouldnt waste a lot of time trying to show this guy how he is literally putting Scripture in parenthesis over his preferred translation; gather as many witnesses as you may and confront him, he will never, ever admit that he might even possibly be wrong, it is always you who will be wrong, exactly like the Bible says about scribes who will translate to suit their audiences.

He—who in thirty years of study has never heard of the CoSI—even imagines that he is helping you, bc you are not as qualified to read the Bible as he is. He is beyond any help, and must preserve his fragile ego at any cost. You still have a choice

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[AgnosticBoy]

the Bible states specifically, several different ways, that No one has ever gone up to heaven,

That's a good verse to factor in....John 3:13...
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."

So is Paradise the same as Heaven? I also question if Jesus is in Heaven seeing that he has a glorified "body" and he says flesh and blood can't inherit God's kingdom (1 Corinthians 15:50). This casts doubt on Paradise being Heaven.

To be perfectly honest with you, I don’t know if the Lake of Fire has even been created yet. I do believe Sheol/Hades is in the pits of the earth, but I can’t say with certainty where the Lake of Fire is if it has been created. The last 3/4 of Revelations is prophecy that has not happened yet so I don’t know if God has formed the Lake of Fire.

Good observation. I see no reason that it has to exists now.

 

[Scooter]

That's a good verse to factor in....John 3:13...
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."

So is Paradise the same as Heaven? I also question if Jesus is in Heaven seeing that he has a glorified "body" and he says flesh and blood can't inherit God's kingdom (1 Corinthians 15:50). This casts doubt on Paradise being Heaven.

When Jesus made that statement, He had not yet died for man’s sins. In John 14:6 Jesus says He is the only way for people to get to the Father. So the souls of those who died before Jesus, were placed in a holding place called Paradise and Abraham’ Bosom (Sheol/Hades). After His resurrection, He opened the way for believers to enter Heaven when they die. That is the reason Paul said to be absent from the body we can be present with the Lord.

 

[Scooter]

I also question if Jesus is in Heaven seeing that he has a glorified "body" and he says flesh and blood can't inherit God's kingdom (1 Corinthians 15:50). This casts doubt on Paradise being Heaven.

After Jesus’ resurrection He invites the disciples to verify He was not just a spirit, but He had an actual body: Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

Notice, He does not say His body was “flesh and blood”, but “flesh and bone”. Apparently His spiritual body is totally different than the bodies we possess now. He now has what we refer to as a glorified body. So I believe Jesus is indeed in Heaven where John met with Him when he was given the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Alter2Ego]

The Bible talks a lot about people ascending, starting with those like Enoch, Elijah, Jesus, etc. Does that mean that Heaven is somewhere above? Or maybe this is not literal?

Take Matthew 11:23,
23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades.

Here's an odd but related passage that talks about a "third Heaven" in 2 Corinthians 12:2:
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

For Discussion:
1. Is Heaven and Hell located on Earth or somewhere in the Universe? Is it the "third heaven"?
2. As an extra to help clarify, what is the difference between Hell and Hades and Heaven and Paradise?

1. Heaven where the Abrahamic God resides is above. Hell, according to scripture, is nothing more than mankind's common grave.
2. Hell and Hades are synonyms. The both mean "the grave." So there is no difference.

2. Heaven is the place where God resides. Paradise is simply a condition, not a place.