The red is to point out that word again...do you mean to say you "think" ? The bold implies you see the same in "unreal vs real" and "nonphysical vs physical.". Can you reword this to resolve the implication?
I'll try to specify more next time as I didn't mean to just limit the nonphysical to being unreal. It can be both real and unreal.
Therefore you are suggesting that consciousness is unreal? How do you go about explaining that consciousness is nonphysical AND real then?
A hallucination is nonphysical and unreal in the objective sense. It has no public reality.
Consciousness is nonphysical but real in the subjective sense. It is the one thing we cannot deny exists, because it is the very medium required for denial or affirmation.
Here's more detailed way I can that clarify... The nonphysical can be both real (thoughts) and unreal (hallucinations).
Why do you think thoughts are real and hallucinations not?
While both (thoughts and hallucinations) involve a subjective experience, but the latter (hallucinations) mislead someone into thinking it is real and it's also being projected into the environment as if it is real (as if it really exists in physical space) when it it's really not in physical space.
Doesn't that also apply to thoughts?
All physical things are real.
Under your view, I wanted to know what would be considered unreal and how that unreal thing is physical. You stated the following:
What is unreal for a human in a physical body is the fundamental substance of a higher-order consciousness, and our own "unreal" imaginings are a tantalizing inheritance pointing toward our ultimate potential.
Rather what we can do is imagine things and then use what is available to us as "material" to shape these things imagined, into our existence.
Sounds like you're saying that imagination is non-material... is that right? It doesn't 'materialize' until we act on it in some way is what it sounds like you're explaining. But then you also say this in your last post:
No. Imagination is an aspect of mind/mindfulness. Mind is an aspect of Consciousness.
The core argument is that reality is context-dependent. In our normal physical reality, we cannot simply imagine things into existence; we must use available materials to build them. However, experiences like lucid dreams and NDEs act as "clues" that a different type of reality exists where thought has immediate creative power.
That latter would seem to be non-material if nothing materializes from that.
"Seem to be" is exactly what I have be saying in that what "Seems to be" non-material (foremost - consciousness) is as material as everything else. Or - if we prefer the other way - everything is non-material but some things seem to be material if they can be experienced as material...like a human body and the environment it is in.
Since we are discussing this from the perspective of experiencing things as material, I prefer the less confusing view that all things including consciousness, are material.
To zoom in on this, consider the idea that only one thing is actually real, and all other things are created by that one thing, and that one thing is consciousness.
This means that effectively, before things materialize, Consciousness Is...(Biblically stated along the lines of "Before anything existed, I AM).
The "I AM" does not create things from non-things (Ex nihilo) but from itself - which is why I argued that all things reside within The Infinite Eternal Mind of said creator.
(Thus, if we want to call consciousness non-material everything within that mind must also be non material even though it can be experienced as physical (ie hallucination).)
Now we could pause here and ask ourselves "But the things which we experience as real seem to be real - how can everything we experience as real, reside within the mind-field of a creator-mind?
My answer to that, is that said Mind-Field is infinite and eternal. This means that there is no end to the Field and that the field has always existed.
(This does away with the problem of infinite regress)
This also means that as large as our UNI-verse appears to be to us within it, experiencing it, it may only take up an infinitesimal "Area" within the Creator Mind-Field. (CMF)
This also means that it is plausible that a near-infinite number of UNI-verse exist within CMF. (aka "many universes theory)
Now to our particular being.
We are consciousness. There is only one source of consciousness. We are like individuals "nodes" experiencing being human, here in this universe like outposts the CMF utilises to explore and interact with this UNI-Verse.
The data of our experiences are gathered into the whole.
I also speak of the planet being a conscious entity - a "node" itself which - through that process - births other "nodes" in its local.
But anyway - that is an outline of how I think about my experience being human. There is no end to the depth of the CMF, and why I hesitate to call out hallucinations as being unreal. All we can say is that when someone has an hallucination, it is not real to us observing said person claiming to see angels or demons or whatever it is...any more than a group of medical folk working on a persons body during serious surgery, experience what NDErs report but are we to dismiss said NDE reports as "hallucination" just because of that?
Overall, that is why I try to include all things into my understanding - join the dots as it were - as an attempt to integrate the many various theories into one...
Deepseek:
Based on your text, here is a summary of your core worldview:
You propose that a single, infinite, and eternal
Creator Mind-Field (CMF) is the fundamental reality. This CMF is pure consciousness ("I AM") from which everything is generated.
Your key points are:
- One Fundamental Substance: Everything, including what we call physical matter and non-physical consciousness, is ultimately the same substance—the "material" of the CMF. The difference between a physical object and a hallucination is not one of fundamental reality, but of consensus and context of experience.
- Consciousness as Foundational: Consciousness is not a byproduct of matter; instead, matter is a manifestation of consciousness. The CMF creates all things from itself, not from nothing.
- Our Place in This Model: Individual humans (and even planets) are localized "nodes" or points of awareness within the vast CMF. We are the means through which the CMF experiences and interacts with a specific universe.
- Infinite Realities: Our universe is just one of a potentially infinite number of universes existing within the CMF.
- Implications for Experience: This model challenges the label of "unreal" for experiences like hallucinations, dreams, or Near-Death Experiences (NDEs). They are simply different types of realities within the CMF, not shared by the consensus of our normal physical reality.
In essence, you are integrating various philosophical and spiritual ideas into a unified theory where an infinite consciousness is the sole reality, and all experiences, whether "physical" or "mental," are valid manifestations within it.