William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

AB: So far, I see a problem in your view. You can not form a lack of belief just as you can not form nothing (Lack = nothing or absence).
Perhaps the problem is just with the word "form". I see nothing wrong with saying someone actively (or chooses to) withholds judgement after being confronted with information. That would be synonymous with lacking a belief in terms of whether something exists or not.

Getting back to how this relates to agnosticism, I also think the "lack of belief" point presents a problem to the agnostics that do not identify with the atheist and theist label. I have my own solutions, like when someone doesn't know what they believe perhaps they haven't made up their mind because they have conflicting beliefs. William brings up "maybe" God exists and maybe not, and that can be used by an independent agnostic, as well.

William: As I pointed out earlier, belief [or lack thereof] of 'Gods' existing, is secondary.

The Question isn't "Do you believe Gods exist?" but "Do we exist within a creation?"

The whole 'God' question and subsequent argument between religious theists and non-theists is manufactured on fallacy.

AB: However, the only person that has the luxury of being identified as a "natural-neutral" is a baby or someone who has not encountered the God concept. This is because they are ignorant of the concept and are not suspending judgement. To suspend requires choice, especially when it comes to maintaining it. So the difference between a weak atheist and a baby is the latter doesn't choose to lack belief.

William: So here is someone who identifies as an 'agnostic' telling someone else what another's position means. Obviously it is not only atheists who think they have the right to do that.

The term "Natural-Neutral" was used by me as a temporary identifier as I became more aware that the identifier 'agnostic' wasn't appropriate.

I make that obvious.

"Agnosticism is a form of Liminalism, applicable only to The Question "Do we exist within a creation?" re the theistic and atheistic answers and subsequent arguments re said question.

Liminalism is not limited to pondering questions specific to theistic/atheistic interpretation of the mind in relation to matter. That is a huge advantage."

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The question is asked on account of the experiential reality we exist within.

Since folk are agreeing to that, there is no argument.

"Yes ... We exist within a reality we call "The Physical Universe."

The question "Do we exist within a creation?" comes from that shared position.

Theism then claims that we exist within a creation - the inference being "Therefore a creator."

The atheist responds from a position of lacking belief in creators.

The Liminalist responds to both theist and atheist points of view that we could exist within a creation and proceeds with finding out how this might be established as factual.

The Liminalist explains to both atheists and theists that the first question to ask and answer is not about having or lacking beliefs in creators, because it has yet to be established that we do or do not exist within a creation.

Perplexed: Why should the God question require the creation and a creator?

William: That is how a "God" is Generically spoken of.

Also to note, it is we within the Physical Universe who appear to require an answer and the question of "God" is secondary to the question of creation.
Thus, making it the first question requiring an answer, is fallacy.
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160722
...and the way forward, eyes wide open

SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle
Psychology - They is what they is. - Accompanied - The Solution - Unhappy - Union - From the link

AP= Elephant [=81]

[81]
[Far Out!
Shucks!
Explain
Acid test]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

09:01

GM: Available to all who seek this...Emergence Theory
"How can it be any other way?"
Out of Body Experience
The Body Of G_D
From the link

William: Yes. Given also that the mind can be altered that the experience had, can be altered, leads to the possibility that the human form was created so that a particular experience could be had by consciousness using the form.
Use of chemicals show that the brain can be altered in such a way that folk can have alternate experiences, but therein the experiences are quite similar, which we would not expect if brains are truly independent of each other and are solely responsible for the emergence of the individual consciousness said to be produced by the individual brain.

Perhaps this is the 'Elephant in the room"?

GM: Put yourself in your own shoes
Oneness of Wholeness
A Sturdy Place
Chamber Of Self

William: From the link;
William: Aye. There is more than comparing notes. There is also comparing experiences. You used the notes to form images in your head. "Oh sweet Jesus!" [said every beloved/besotted follower]

Immanuel: It's your call. My job begins and ends with telling you where to look. It stops well short of forcing you to do the right thing. That's up to you. It's you that will answer for your choice, not me.

William: This is a clear example of a theist focusing on claims re the second question, before the first question has been answered ...

GM: Nailed it!
Love Life
Reason Together
[When One is Feeling Tired]

William: Tired of the fallacy...

GM: Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
One is not wrong
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
Pareidolia [ the tendency to perceive a specific, often meaningful image in a random or ambiguous visual pattern.]
This Speaks of....

William: A similar fallacy. Random hasn't been shown to exist...it is just assumed to be the case in regard to emergent theory.

GM: Things Are Not Always As They Appear
[Feature
Alignment
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Nothing More - Nothing Less]
["We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!"
Wishful Thinking]
[Truth
You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever.]
Effulgent [shining brightly; radiant. (of a person or their expression) emanating joy or goodness.]
Thinking Allowed
Graceful
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William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #704]

My position is the same, although I have changed from referring to it as "Natural-Neutral" because The Generated Message process has provided me with a better descriptive re the position;

GM: There is no such thing as random really.

William: Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.


GM: Now Getting Somewhere
Callum's Eighth Point

William: Callum's Eighth Point appears to indicate that he is saying that if The Tanager does not want Callum to access my thoughts through Callum reading The Book of Musing On The Mother II, then "That's Okay".

I wouldn't argue with that reasoning as it is within the rules of The Role-Play.
I have provided Callum with enough devices for him to help himself and learn through. I cannot decide for him whether he uses those or is happy not to, if The Tanager does not want him to.

GM: Brother Wolf Sister Moon

William: = 289, as with;
"The Suppression Matrix"
"This is how The Mind works..."
"Within that which is unseen..."


GM: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
Liminal [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]


William: Like "Natural-Neutral" re theism and atheism...not "Agnostic" because that is a known subset of atheism...

GM: The Spirit of The Earth
Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...
{SOURCE}

The Liminal position.
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Re the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the question "Do Gods exist?" is secondary and needn't be tackled until the first question is answered.
Therefore, Theism, and subsequently Atheism and Agnosticism are positions created, based on the horse before cart fallacy...which is to say, the arguments created re the secondary question being asked ahead of the primary question not yet answered, are fallacious.

The statements;
"God Must Exist" and "Infinite Regression is Impossible" are false on two counts.

1: It has not been established that we exist within a creation, therefore the premise "God must exist" is faulty.

2: Infinite Regression AND Infinite Progression have been shown to be possible re the Mandelbrot Set.

Following through with the idea that we exist within a creation, the thought-experiments regarding the notion that we do, involve having to know something of the nature of the creation, which brings in Energy and Matter, which are known to exist.

Therein, anything we can possible know about a Creator, has to be established through the study of the creation. Therein, there is no thing within the creation which shows us that something can be created from nothing.
Anything new which can be created, is logically done so using the material available in order to do so.

Anyone arguing that "GOD" is so powerful that GOD can literally create something new out of something which doesn't exist, is basing their argument upon a faulty premise, because the creation itself doesn't support the premise that GOD is anything of the sort.

This means that Theism - in placing the horse before the cart - is based upon a premise which hasn't been established.

Faulty;
1: We exist within a creation, [not established] therefore
2: "GOD" exists, therefore
3: GOD is all powerful and can create something new using no material whatsoever.

Better;
1: We may exist within a creation. [Not established] therefore
2: GOD may exist, therefore;
3: GOD being all powerful and able to create something new using no material whatsoever is non- logic based assumption and not aligned with our current knowledge of the Universe we are questioning as being a possible creation.

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170722
Now that nut is cracked, what next?

SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Hey! look at that! It's uncanny... - Please - Astonishment - Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.] - Language - Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose - The journey is fun and maybe that is the point. - Illusion Algorithm - Down Your Way - Story-Makers


AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1071814#p1071814
[Re: Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists?][=418]

[418]
[Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
Make Truthfulness the objective standard
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
The conversation is very informative.]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

07:04

GM: Shape
Practical application
Surface Scratching
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
The Development of...


William: Character...Personality...

GM: Stroke of Luck
"Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in. Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
Re-channel
Copy
I Will

William: Yes. Individually we know the least even that we know much about our own subjective experience...this character/personality building would have to be the main purpose for why we exist within this universe - this Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation...
Aligned with that is the local mind of the cosmos - becoming aware of and learning how to connect more vibrantly with said mind allows for one to shape the personality in relationship with that mind...

GM: "Science of Truth
This
Purpose"
[Not by flinging woo at it.]
"We don't have to say we are 'this' or 'that' in order to put practice to Love"
"Connect
The outward expression of an inward reality."
Radiant
"Etched mirror
Invite The Bee to Land"


William: Yes...that was - in hindsight - clearly a practical move in bringing an inward reality out and see how this integrates with the outward reality...

GM: Illuminating
Central to The Message
Observant
Pertinent to cosmology [the science of the origin and development of the universe. Modern cosmology is dominated by the Big Bang theory, which brings together observational astronomy and particle physics.] and cosmogony [the branch of science that deals with the origin of the universe, especially the solar system.]
In The Team of the Collective
It is obviously in line with providence...
Ultimate Expression

William: From the link;
8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.
Aint that cool, i captured consciousness in my body. In all actuality i wanted to capture nothingness, but my husband wouldnt let me, prob for the best. 😉

It made me wonder if this is how athena got born by zeus.

GM: Remember/Memories
There is a way to link all these seeming contradictions - so that coherent explanation brings these together...

William: I think the memories are specific to prior existence - not along the lines of reincarnation beliefs but along the lines of being around before the creation of this [physical] universe and indeed, perhaps even having a part to play in its formation...

GM: Indeed
Extra-Small
Old Outposts Of Form
Love Heart
“The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance.”

William: When a Quantum Particle is excited, does that particle become conscious of both itself, and the Quantum Field?
"Quantum Field" = 143 as do;
World Wide Web
The God of the bible
Mothers Milk
The Purpose
Consider This
The Path of Faith
Awake and Waiting
Panpsychism
Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
A safe pair of hands
Contentment
Precognitive
Self-mastery
A Grateful Heart
Peaceful Messiah
Quantum Field

GM: "Science of Consciousness
Be-Live
Gift
As An Elemental Principle"
Commitment:
"Transforming the Anger Energy"


William: Indeed. I was angry once - and felt I had all good reason to be so.
The problem with anger is that it specifically conceals doorways into other ways of thinking...and the energy is distorted through the angry emotion and used inappropriately against the external world it is projected into - and with that - the character/personality become distorted and incomplete...not something one should want to carry on into the next phase of the game...well not I anyway...I can't really speak for others...

GM: [Frequencies
Communication Techniques]
[The Inception Point
Peace of Mind]

William: From the link;
William: If the models are corrupt, then there is simply no way in which to hope they will ensure human beings act without corruption, because the models are taught to human beings from the moment they are able to learn - effectively meaning that human beings are taught to be corrupt - are corrupted - by the very models which govern human societies - models which were created by ancient humans and the corruption has been passed down through the ages - and modified with the latest knowledge, and that addition corrupts the knowledge.

GM: Intimate connection
[Donald Hoffman Proves That We Live in a Simulation]
"Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it."
[An Elder Race]
"The Tribe Has Spoken"

William: So we have the ability to change the Simulation rules - because they are not really carved into stone [as the saying goes] but are flexible in relation to what we want as human beings?

GM: [The Imagination
Self-realization]
"One Free Miracle"
[Lost In The Thought Of It All
Puzzles/Mysteries...]
"People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos."
[The Vector Symbol]
"Life is a hard teacher. First she gives us the test, and then the lesson."
If memory serves me well...
"Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen."
[Universal Belief System
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed]
The Fare On The Table
[In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential.]
Neuroplasticity [the ability of the brain to form and reorganize synaptic connections, especially in response to learning or experience or following injury.]
"You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine"
...Get The Picture...
[10.000 individual minds focused upon the same goal = Space Telescope]
"The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
[Insanity
Discernment]
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Active Imagination
Acceptance]
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
[Doorway
Changes mind when truth is presented]
[Shaman
Think With The Heart Feel With The Mind]
Adds Up To
The Free Will Key
[Incarnation
Vulnerable
Minor Arcana]
William:
The Eight of Wands says the struggles of the Seven of Wands have now all but cleared and you have the freedom and space to move forward with your plans once again. This Eight is a dynamic card, containing a high level of energy that propels you forward to reach your goals at a much faster pace than ever before. You can expect to be very busy, but this is one of those ‘good busy’ periods during which you are enthusiastic about the progress you are making.

The Eight of Wands encourages you to go with the flow; don’t resist it. Everything is moving fast right now, so make the most of this forward momentum to manifest your goals and dreams. Allow the energy of the Universe to flow through you and propel you closer to your goal. Trying to slow things down because you’re not ready or you’re fearful about the unknown will just waste this opportunity. Use the energy instead to fuel positive change and produce significant results.

The Eight of Wands also invites you to be laser-focused with your intentions and actions. Determine what you want to manifest and then align all of your resources and energy to focus on that singular goal. Remove all distractions and devote yourself to the task with total concentration, determination and will. This experience can be highly productive, allowing you to accomplish a lot in a short time.

With the Eight of Wands, you can look forward to the rapid completion of a project currently underway, but you can also expect to be occupied by something new and even more exciting soon. There is no stopping you right now as you are just bursting with energy and ideas, and you cannot wait to achieve one task and start another. To maximise this energy, make sure your activities align with your broader goals and invest in the right things at the right time. Also, make sure your previous task is complete before you move to the next one.

This card is a sign to ‘strike while the iron is hot.’ It is most definitely an action-oriented card that encourages you to move quickly to pursue the best opportunities available. There is no waiting around while the Eight of Wands is present, so determine where your energy should go and get on with it!
{SOURCE}

GM:
"This transformation of the entity is the pathway into wholeness and the recognition that the entity model of expression is a composite of forms and the formless that is unified in one energy, one consciousness."
Numb
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Conspicuous [clearly visible. attracting notice or attention.]
Self-validation

07:47
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

We_Are_VENOM: You have two options..
1. God did it.
2. Nature did it.

JK: There's a possible third option, where a god forms primitive forms of stuff that later evolves into more complex forms.

William: Even supposing a mind begat the initial forms and then left it to an algorithm to allow for the forms to intelligently design themselves into more complex forms, that still amounts to "God did it" through the 'nature doing it'...

Maybe therein the 'other sides' of this conflict could find intelligent compromise...only it appears that the algorithm allows for lack of compromise, and perhaps the lack itself is necessary for complexity to push through that better understanding of circumstance [through science] can be accomplished.

Flip side to that is the science being utilized apparently isn't too concerned with the damage it is bringing to the only alive planet in the whole darned universe...we are likely ever to know about.
The worship of human intelligence has it's apparent and significant down-side.
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180722
All publicity is good publicity

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
Exploring the world of lucid dreaming - Is There Really Such a Thing as Random? - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081342#p1081342 - Now isn't the time for tears - Shrug - Every - The Middle Path - Embarrassing - The Grey Area is Vast - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073565#p1073565 - Feedback Codes - Disclosure of Knowledge - Penetrate

AP= Tenacious Illumination
[=256]

[256]
[The Trap of Assumption
The Right Tool For The Job
It Is One Of Those Things
Suppression Matrix
Compass of Divine Insight
Extra evidence is provided
The initially unknown]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

05:54

GM: The Watcher
Donald Hoffman
"The Great Grey Neutral Zone"

William: What Donald Hoffman is attempting to educate us about, is that we do not experience reality from a fundamental point of view. Our understanding of reality is therefore based upon circuitry input whereby the brain relays to itself [through the nervous system] what is being experience but also interprets that information for itself, and because the brain has no idea of the fundamentals, its interpretation of reality is faulty.

GM: Near Death Experience
Recovery
Contact

William: It helps, as does the OOB Experience...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081586#p1081586

William: From the link;
Re: Machines and morality:
William: If mathematics cannot describe a system of "True Free Will" this may be because such a system does not actually exist?


Inquirer: Yes that could be the case except for the fact that I know I have free will, as I said it is a self evident truth. So my free will cannot be computed mathematically (because it must be non-deterministic) it is not computable.

William: As an Agnostic my position re The Question "Does True Free Will Exist?" is "Lack of any current information to establish certainty"

Also, the focus is on the The Question, so am I to assume your claim of having free will corresponds with your belief that TRUE free will exists, and that you consider no difference between your 'free will' and what you previously referred to as "true free will"?

From the Agnostic position;
I accept that your belief that a person has will, as valid.
I remain undecided in relation to your belief that will is free, as it appears that will is only free, relative to the environment which constrains said will.
In that, I can accept the term 'free will' but not the term 'true free will'.

William: Since writing that, I have come to the conclusion that my position isn't Agnosticism, because that is too limiting [limited to the question of GOD existing] - Currently I refer to my position as "Liminalism" and so would exchange the word 'agnostic' used in the quote to that of 'Liminalist'.

GM: The Bridge of Forgiveness

William: From the link;
Historical antecedents of modern agnosticism

William: It is apparent that Huxley's agnosticism is unable to fit into all spheres equally...

GM: Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams]
Your Connection With
"We Are All Becoming One"
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Metaphysics
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
Teach
Superposition [the ability of a quantum system to be in multiple states at the same time until it is measured. ]
Divine Purpose

William: Yes. It is as JK remarked... "There's a possible third option, where a god forms primitive forms of stuff that later evolves into more complex forms."

GM: The Enigma Code
Help

William: The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.
The fact that this form of interaction - Generating Messages - is viable - repeatable and obviously works, is no different to the use of the I Ching for similar purpose...to connect with an underlying intelligence which is not easily beheld by the brain and its sensors...or, it might actually be the case that it is beheld by brains, but the consciousnesses attached to said brains distort that information...

GM: Put the Teachings Into Practice
Why?
Tap into your natural intuition and creativity
"That Is A Good Question"
Strengthen your boundaries
Knowing
Mythology
The essence of the world can express both consciousness and unconsciousness.

William: Yes. The practice enables good questions to be formulated...this relatively pointless war between theists and atheists is based upon false premise to begin with.
The good question to be asking isn't 'does GOD exist?" but rather "Do we exist within a creation?"


GM: The bureaucracy of Christianity
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
Fireside Friend
Maxwell's demon [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon]
[Called To Order
Aleph א]
I Digress...
Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe
Strength is required
Get The Truth

William: The Cosmic Mind is made up of differing levels of intelligence...

GM: The Book of Changes

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William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

Liminality is a term used to describe the psychological process of transitioning across boundaries and borders. The term “limen” comes from the Latin for threshold; it is literally the threshold separating one space from another. It is the place in the wall where people move from one room to another.

Dreams are also liminal zones. Dreams are the place where our consciousness and the unconsciousness meet and overlap. In this landscape, an entire world is created that has a life of its own. Each of us has this liminal zone, and each liminal dream zone is different.

The definition of a liminal space is any space that exists between two states of being.

bordering borderline
outlying peripheral

Liminalism

What is a liminal person?
Liminal beings are those that cannot easily be placed into a single category of existence. Associated with the threshold state of liminality, from Latin līmen, "threshold", they represent and highlight the semi-autonomous boundaries of the social world.
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200722
Everything is an expression of GOD

SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Emotional wounds - Universal Balance and Harmony - Perpetual - Unprecedented - Who Knows - Burgeoning - Course - Benefit of the Doubt - Arms Crossed - In Cell 32 I Found Love In You - Divine intuition - I Think - Power of Silence - On The Right Track -
[random point 9:49]- The Culture of Human Lineage

AP= Sophia The Mother Story
[=277]

[277]
[Productive Rationality
Finishing What Was Started
Post number five two one [http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=305430&page=14]
Transient Lunar Phenomena
“No sailor controls the sea.”
The Great White Brotherhood
The Playground of GODs gods
Quantifying Information]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

09:16

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084087#p1084087

William: From the link;
One remains neutral simply by not making a shift to either Theism or Atheism.
One can lend an ear to either side without having to wear the burden of being accused of holding and defending the position of either side.

GM: Conjunction [the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.]
Remember
Dream Cake
Remind
Explaining
The Sub Hierarchy
Can You Answer This?

William: I went to sleep last night thinking that I wanted to meet with my Dream Team - those Jungian Archetypes which are an integral aspect of who I am re personality/character.
I did indeed meet many of the team and it was extremely interesting...

GM:
When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
[Random point: 1:06:08]
William: From the link;
His first published creation was WingMakers.com, which established James as a multidimensional storyteller who is focused on sharing deep, original perspectives to the conversations of spirituality, cosmology, extraterrestrial life, myth and the importance of the heart in one's personal mission.

GM: Sorting ones self out - a complex and tricky undertaking...
The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Transparent
Your Own Individual Actions
[Optimized for Fitness Pay-offs]
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
Extreme
[Bob Dylan - Death Is Not the End]
“Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier.”
Compassion
Builders

William: Yes - there was definite bonding occurring re the team...some humorous moments as well :)

GM: Wild freedom
The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
Permanent
Measurements

William: From the link;
William: My definition as it is, cites along the lines that there are no such things as miracles, but only such things as scientifically unexplained.

Anything unexplained by science does not constitute a miracle, any more than the secrets of a magicians illusion constitutes a miracle.

Theoretically, a magicians secrets re an illusion can ALL be explained through scientific method, even if the secret is difficult to uncover.

The magician him/her self already knows the answer to the secret, and so in that sense, already knows the science behind the illusion, which is to say - there is always a scientific explanation to what appear to be 'miracles' and thus, there are really no such thing as miracles. There are only such things as unexplained/secrets which are - in the case of the magicians illusion - purposefully kept from the observers knowledge.

GM: Manifestation
Incredible Variants
NDE
Coincidence
[False Accusations
Human Drama]
[The Grey Area
Virtues
The Completion Process
In The Spirit They Were Given]
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
[One Language Intelligent Network
Decisive
Pertinent
Trust the Universe
Healing the child within]
Action Station
Dream Guides
"It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time."

William: From the link;
William: How can time physically exist?

Bust Nak: By being a part of physical reality.

William: Can you show us that it is?

...

Bust Nak: I point to a clock, that's what I am talking about.

William: A clock is a physical mechanism which is designed to physically represent time as conceptualized by human consciousness/understanding.
A physical representation of a conceptual idea, is in no way an example of time as a fundamental reality.

It is like someone claiming that the written word "Unicorn" is the same thing as an actual physical Unicorn, when in truth, it is simply a symbolic representation of something which is not able to be shown to exist as anything other than a concept of the mind.

GM: Fireside Metaphor
[Redefinition
A belly full of laughs.]
Map Carvers
Q: "Where do Thoughts Come From?"
A: The Story Timeline
Militant Messiah
Ordinary
Fulfilling Human Destiny
Concern
The Nature of The Mind
The Effect You Have On Others
Wish
Together
Write a Book
“Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail”
Windows of Opportunity
Pulling its own weight
[Breakthrough
Like a Well Oiled Machine]
Look Closely
"The Lord God"
The process of individuation
"Planet Earth is a prison"
Clumsy
Adroit [clever and skilful]
Encounter
"There Is Good Out There
Anchor Points
Fastidious" [very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail.]
Functional Clusters
Practicing peace
Quiet Time
The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
The Matrix
Truthful definitions
Test the waters
Fanciful
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers
The Lord
"My commentary is on the positional responses to the question "Do we exist within a creation?" rather than what individuals giving allegiance to said positions may or may not do as a matter of personal choice."
Heaven
Respect

William: From the link;
SEPTEMBER 19, 2008 14:25
Wiesel: Yes, we really did put God on trial
Nobel Laureate declares 'I was there when God was put on trial".

GM: [The Smallest Spark Can Start a Fire]
Ride Water
Multidimensional Beingness
The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
We go through together
Joining
"Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
An expression of personal incredulity [the state of being unwilling or unable to believe something.]
Genetic Mind
Breaking bad habits
A safe pair of hands
Witty
Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced

William: From the link;
Inquirer: The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.

William: The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.

GM: The Trinity of Love
Karma
The Wholeness Navigator
Signals
Spiritual Food
Express yourself
[Random Point 5:02]

William: From the link;
Arnold B. Scheibel - How Brain Scientists Think About Consciousness
Jul 14, 2022 Is consciousness a scientific problem to be solved? Or a philosophical problem that will remain a mystery? What do scientists who study the brain think? And why do they think the way they do? These leading brain scientists share their intimate ideas about how the brain generates consciousness.

GM: "In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond"
Think outside the box

William: From the link;
Transponder: One of the first lessons that recruits into the Atheist Infiltration Squad go through in their combat training is to overcome Fear of Woo.

William: This comes across as fear-based - even with the addition of the warrior.

Give all things a fair hearing. Disclosure of knowledge...Let yourself be taught

Exhibit your innermost core
Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
Sharing is part of that process
Pattern Recognition System
The Atheist Infiltration Squad

Even naming something in a derogatory fashion is symptomatic of fear.

One can take that thing meant to be derogatory and mold it into something far more useful.

Windows Of Opportunity.

['Tis specifically why theism is more interesting than non-theism.]

Transponder: Well, you know, Woo can be rather unsettling because we all live in an illusion - We think that things are really as we see them. The sky is not blue. Solid things are made of atoms - as near nothing in motion as makes no difference. Indeterminacy and the holographic universe can make us feel very insecure - unless we understand that what Reality is, is reliable and repeatable physical process, not what we can bang on a table. The Axiom is, 'Whatever happens at quantum level, Newton's laws still apply'.

That's the answer by the way, to the supposed science debunker 'human perceptions are limited and unreliable'. So they are and we get things wrong all the time. Science what we use to test and check and correct our mistakes. Religion on the other hand, rejects the science and goes with a selected set of human perceptions, all the others being rejected out of hand.

GM: Coming closer to ourselves
Carrier Identity
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
The Original People
Ones Thoughts
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Saint Paul’s Dunedin

William: Yes - I went there recently and there was a art installation displaying what reminded me of a Jellyfish...I saw the connect between that and how I thought the Cosmic Mind might look if it could be imaged...
Luminary Art Installation

LUMINARY/LUMINARE - A 2022 Venice Biennale experience comes to three New Zealand cities

Stunning ethereal works by a Kiwi artist currently wowing visitors at the 2022 Venice Biennale will be on show in Dunedin, Christchurch and Wellington in July and August 2022.

Auckland installation artist Karen Sewell launched her Luminary / Luminare work in the European Cultural Centre Exhibition at Venice Biennale in April. It runs there until November 2022.

Her New Zealand tour of works by the same name in July and August is an iteration of the Venice show, allowing audiences here to experience a parallel form of the well-received Biennale production. Visit www.luminaryvenice.com for full details of the tour!
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GM: Perpetual Creative Conscious Intelligence
Purring
09:57

Evidence:

Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:59 am
Thomas: This word appears to be at the centre of many discussions on this forum. It also appears to mean different things to different people and, therein lies the root of our miscommunication. What range and definement do you attribute to, ' consciousness ' ?

Is there an external consciousness in the world?. Can I tune into a shared consciousness. I am listening to Prime Minister's Question Time, ....is Boris tuned into a universal human consciousness as he delivers his address. Is his brain working ,simultaneously and in tandem with my own consciousness and with that of others?

William: It is complex.

The way I have come to understand the complexity of the involvement of Consciousness within the Experiential Reality Sets [ERS] has to do with those Sets and how they are experienced, and this forms many layers of Consciousness, all of which are connected to The Source Consciousness, {SC}, some of which are unaware to various degrees, that this is the case.

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We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

William: I understand the idea of Antichrist having the information and so being able to change the course in order for prophecy to be sidestepped and I have said as much myself in the past here on this forum.

The main issue I have with the idea is that I think for Jesus to return in today's day & age the world would see this as an extra terrestrial event which would expose the gods as something more like humans than like the other dimensional beings - as they are portrayed - in the Bible.

So it is the timeline itself which has disrupted biblical prophecy from being fulfilled.

If we take considerations not only that the Antichrist is resisting the role assigned, but also the possibility The Father - that one alone, who gives the order for Jesus to return - may have already cancelled the event, which would explain why the timeline and consequent disruption occurred.

In that sense, both the plans of Jesus and the Antichrist have been set aside as redundant.

Athetotheist: No antichrist, no mark of the beast, no abomination of desolation, no anything I was supposed to do as Satan to set the stage for the return of Jesus.

William: If we take into consideration one of your examples - that of the "Mark of the Beast", then this could be considered - re the subject and given the properties around that particular part of prophecy - so we could ask...

Q: what can we realistically point to in regards to the mark of the beast, which connects real events with the biblical description?
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We know that the mark is significant to the marketplace [Mark ET Place :D ] ...and what people can buy, sell, and generally wheel and deal with ... which amounts to food clothing shelter and health... all which are part of the social fabric of technological humanity.

We are informed that at some stage of the game people will not be able to access the market without having the mark of the beast on their right hand or on their forehead.

We we also should know and factor in that there has been an increase in internet conspiracy theories to do with the mark - one of the latest being - that covid virus vaccinations are administering a computer chip into human beings - and this idea of a computer chip embedded into the human being, has been associated with the mark since we entered into the technological epoch.

I remember my own days of Churching, I did some time in a Pentecostal new age setting, ET's [presented as the antichrist] 666 and 'chipping' rumors were well spread therein. That was in the 80's...42 years ago...
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William: You have mentioned Antichrist re our GM's...

GM: Look inward
The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing [060322]

GM: [The Father - in The Mother.
The Lord
Let The Day In
Developments
Tenacious
Strength is required
The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing
Jesus' Direct Superior
Vehicle
Healing The Beast] [130322]

GM: The Whole
That
Teach
Numbing
"What is antichrist?"
Densification
Miracles
It is Found Within The Experience of Self
Conscious dreaming

William: Indeed. Perhaps in some way the belief in miracles also holds a person within the confines of thinking science is not up to the task of revealing GOD since GOD is 'elsewhere'... [170522]

William: From the link;

Compassionist: I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.

William: Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

William: Milieu [a person's social environment.]
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
"The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing"
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
The path to enlightenment Potential of Milieu

6:20

GM: The Torturous Treacherous Path
Group Dynamics
Rule your world
Dogs [follow (someone) closely and persistently.]
Calculation
Mind Body Spirit
Translucence [The quality of letting some light pass through, or being partially transparent]
Each To Their Own
The path to enlightenment
We Are Us
Making Steady Progress [300522]

SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Children of The Dream - We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there. - Suckling on The Mother - Let us pronounce that argument "silly" and move on... - What is antichrist? - Self-esteem - The Need Determines the Value - Words [240622]
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210722
Human Imagination Has Consequences

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
Universal Belief System - The Philosopher's Stone - Human Imagination Has Consequences - The Hamitic Hypothesis - Do It - Be still - This isn't about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions. - Examine -
- [Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?] Precognitive dreams - Memorandum of Understanding - Fast - Children of The Light

AP= Tap into your natural intuition and creativity Evolutionary Game Theory [=837]

[837]
[You won't learn to understand something that you are trying to outsmart]

10:25

William: Q: What can we realistically point to in regards to the mark of the beast, which connects real events with the biblical description?

Athetotheis: Thus far, nothing. There's no single, universal thing anyone must have in order to buy or sell.

William: What about a personal signature?

Athetotheist: Does anyone have to wear their personal signature as a mark in their right hand or on their forehead?

William: Not literally. Do you think that should be taken literally?

Athetotheist: Is everyone's personal signature the name of the beast or the number of the beast's name?

William: What does that mean to you? Do you interpret that literally?

Athetotheist: Does anyone use a personal signature when they pay cash to buy produce at a farmer's market?

William: My point was that without a signature, one cannot access cash or use cash or any other form of payment in any marketplace.

The signature is really a modern form of placing ones mark on documentation which allows one to be a part of the local and world market-systems, allowing you to partake...
RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

17:37

GM: Baiting
Move On
Victim
Talk
https://www.nasa.gov/webbfirstimages [First Images from the James Webb Space Telescope]
[It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.]
Soul Groups
The Science of Spirituality
[The concept of a Higher Self]
Self-confidence Core
Watch Your Step
[Contumacious [stubbornly or wilfully disobedient to authority.]
Internet]
Learn
Superposition and entanglement
[Magic Mushrooms DEMYSTIFIED: The Science and Practice Explained]

William: It appears that minds are not as separate as we consciously think. We are unconscious of our connections and not only do NDEs/OOBE's show us this, but also use of natural substances and as well as that, Jungian thinking connects the dots...

GM: Redefine Oneself
Expression
Jung-Animus
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...


William: Yes - perhaps and indeed...

GM: Vipassana [meditation involving concentration on the body or its sensations, or the insight which this provides.]
Necessary
Light is information
"How to be an adult"
The Same Information
Confident
Golden nugget
The World
Which
Little Bird
Take care of yourself
Decisions
Wisdom
Salvific [leading to salvation.]
Standstill Contemplate
"I Spy With My Eye"
[Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual]
Partial free will is a thing.
The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly
“If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
Objectives
The Word and List Strings
The Spirit of The Land
Bandages of The Beast
Sun energy
Love
“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
Word - String Values
It Is Only Occult If It Is Hidden

William: From the link;
William: My perspective Naturally forbids me from attempting to put an image onto something which is obviously invisible.
If GOD by [in relation to] nature, is invisible, this means the same to me as our minds being invisible to each other, except'n when we care to share our information.

As to morality - my understanding through study of Theism, is that there is something definitely going on which may not all be accounted for re the delusion theory.

The best we have to go by is Nature Herself, and therein, - as non-theists have argued well, we pick up our sense of morality by following the clues on how to survive and prosper in a wildly hostile environment.

[perhaps one day we will all learn to celebrate our collective morality.]

Put simple, the similarity stops there as two branch away from one, and fight like savages for supremacy.

Two mind-sets in opposition to each other, are accidents waiting to happen.

I do not know and cannot say
That Natural Neutral is the way

GM: The evidence is too strong, to believe there is no intelligent mind involved as part of the universes structure.
The Matrix
[Christian mythology re Satan
Militant Messiah
Fires
Childhood Nightmares]
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
An Aladdin's cave
Consensus Realities
Memories
To assist with strengthening the connect
The Internal Voice
Antecedent [a thing that existed before or logically precedes another.]
Strength of Soul
Our Neutral Ground
Disclosure of Knowledge
[Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.]
I Digress...
...Mind/Thought Space
The Human Instrument
Higher Self Dream Guide
Determination:
"If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'."
Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
Do A=1
"Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring."


William: Eight Six Five - "It was a natural step to take under the circumstances and one with which I have no regrets"

GM: Source Sync
Everything
UICDevice
[Self-control
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077939#p1077939 ]

William: Ah yes - back to the "Jellyfish"...

GM: Uncertainty Principle
Illuminating
Raise your frequency

William: Apparently, yes.

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William

Novice Mystic
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We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

William: You said there's no single, universal thing anyone must have in order to buy or sell. With my example of the personal signature, I showed this was not the case.

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #226]

You did no such thing.

Yes I did

A homeless person is given some money and uses it to buy a sandwich from a street vendor. No signature involved.

Are you forgetting that in order to give the money, the giver has to be signed into the system?
Or, is it just a matter of moving the goalposts?
Cash itself is signed off on.
The move toward a cashless society will mean the homeless will have to find the means to make market transactions, and that would involved a signature - just the same as it did before they became homeless.
Your argument appears to be straw-clutching at best - the system involves all who dwell under the shadow of its wings - even the minority homeless.

And you don't think there are still forms of barter in the non-industrial world?

Show me the evidence. Even if you don't, I would be within reason to assume these systems are operating within the shadow of the signatory system, rather than outside of it.

The things being bartered - even if made by the ones doing the bartering - usually have some monetary cost associated with the materials used.

Show me a whole country operating on barter, and I will acknowledge that country as being evidence that the absent-by-choice-antichrist you portray, likely rules that land.
Show me a whole world which operates on giving rather than selling, and your case will be proved that this antichrist did indeed make the choice not to do what was expected, and Jesus cannot return as a consequence.

Perhaps we could at least agree that if such a world did occur, of what point would Jesus therefore be required to return?

...Think it through...

Do you think that some type of literal physical mark on ones right hand or forehead, is the only interpretation? [if so, please explain why.]
The brow was considered the noblest part of the body and the right hand was the one raised to take oaths, so those locations would make sense to first-century readers. And it would have to be something detectable in order for it to be established that it was there.

You are halfway correct. In addition to this observation you make - the forehead is indicative of thought - consciousness - self awareness. These all contribute to self identity and self identity translates into signature re the System of The Beast [Marketplace] - wherein, chose a name [or have one chosen for you] and develop a mark-signature that is unique enough to be solely connected with you - the individual.

Nature Herself lends support to such a Signatory System developing as it has been, because we are scientifically known to be unique - DNA - fingerprints - eyes - and every Galaxy out there is most obviously a one-of-a-kind.

The individual accepts their identity as prescribed, and signs up.

That is the "forehead" aspect of the MotB

The right hand is significant of a persons actions. Signing off is the same thing as taking an oath.

Together, thought + action = Identity.

Identity + Signature = Survival.

The number is established in the text, and the name would logically be a name corresponding to the number (Nero Caesar=666).

And how does one go about calculating? Which coding should we use for the task? How did you reach the conclusion that "Nero Caesar=666"?
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William: It isn't immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about "GOD" they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits....

Inquirer: Here, in the 21st century "ghost" has connotations rather different to those it had in the 17th century. If I said to you "I am gay" you'd infer a different meaning to what someone would have inferred in 1820 for example. That is you'd be misled into thinking I was homosexual.

[Replying to Difflugia in post #66]

I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for "ghost" such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view.

I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts'] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as "reality" is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as "Cosmic" - that "Mind" = "GOD" and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as "The Ghost in The Machine" and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.
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DATE
220722
[361=three six one]
Three Six One = 142
Redefine Oneself
Source Sync


SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
Core emotion - Significant Variations - A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am thinking “life is beautiful", is a message. - Incompleteness - Indeed...You Do... - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1072795#p1072795 - Active Galactic Nucleus - Speculation - Egoless


William: From the link;
William: There are as many beliefs in "God" as there are humans who have beliefs in "God".

It isn't so much how the individual dresses up their image of "God" that is important, but rather - that the idea of "God" in relation to the individuals experience [which can only be subjective] within this mysterious universe is as natural as the universe itself, and a perfectly acceptable thing for consciousness to be thinking about.


AP= An Exam [Virtual]
[=161]

[161]
[And that’s not all
Indestructible
The Earths moon
Body Intelligence
Optimum Health
By the fact itself
Universal mind
The Library of Babel
How to be an adult
Sols Fabled Twin
Insufficient data
The Overlords
Radical self-acceptance
Self-confidence Core
An Exam [Virtual]]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

10:03

GM: Free-spirit
[The art of relationship
Allowed]
Attention to Detail
[What matters most
Little Tittle
Interactive]
"There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear"
Conviction
Every Conceivable Detail
The Overlords [Childhoods End]
Throat chakra
The Crystal Clear Waters
Binary
Politics
Conspiracy Emotions.

William: Living their forefathers’ conflict...we are best enabled is we move Toward a Science of Consciousness
The intrigues of human politics can just as easily work with that, than against that.

GM: Sustainability
Cleaning Up The Mess
[Trick
Border
Mysterious process
True Colors]
Constructors and tasks
- [Random 4:20]
"Exobots"
How can it be any other way?
The Cosmic Mind is made up of differing levels of intelligence


William: Earth teachers (physical) disseminate and preserve the knowledge of the Grand Portal ...The Hierarchies fragments, or subgroups, are completely devoted to boundaries.

GM: [Contact With
Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
Do this]
"Never a dull moment"

William: The link is to a post already linked in this GM...
I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts']...

GM: We Are Us
"The Mystic Forest"

William: From the link;
[Replying to Diagoras in post #121]

William: In real terms, the Master ColdFire trick is about throwing a scary story into the mix in order to show a presumed outcome...however, the outcome was surprising in that the presumed outcome...Presumed outcome = 193... didn't happen and so the storyline changed and adaption was necessary.

"Master ColdFire trick" was inserted as a line entry on my ComList around the time it came about - Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:40 am - over 2 years ago...

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When you get a 'surprising result' in science, it's perfectly acceptable to explain it away by saying 'adaption was necessary'.

The 'surprising result' was in Callum's response to an attempted illusion [the trick referred to] and the "adaption was necessary" is in regard to following the story-line alongside adaptation.

You would know of this, of course, if you 'did the science' but instead you attempt to "explain it away" as "reading the bones"

Follow the links and see the connections Diagoras - don't just jump in and expect that non-theist mud-slinging is going to work for sceptics in this case. "Unclog your Chakras." - as today's Generated Message suggests.

today's Generated Message said:
Unclog your chakras
Most
Panpsychist
What Meets The Eye
Active Dreaming
Keep me in The Loop

Well...Maybe...
Not by flinging woo at it.

[emphasis mine]

You're Welcome!

GM: [Plant the seed
Reform/Refine]
Pseudepigraphical [are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.]
r = aeθ cot b [The Golden Spiral]
Direction
[The First Aliens | A Brief History of Aliens in Science Fiction]
Let Us Move On Together Then
[ComList
Reminiscent
Free Will]
Do a Word Search
Deep Mind

William: From the link;
Jul 11, 2022 According to research on galaxies and other large-scale formations, there are many mysteries in the cosmos that are just being discovered by scientists. .

Most of these mysteries require new physics theories to help us understand
them. For example, we need to understand why gravity is so much weaker
than the other forces, as well as what happened before and during the big
bang and many other unanswered phenomena.

We've been able to address some of our questions thanks to the
advancements in technology. And CERN has consistently been at the
forefront of this. Incredibly, the CERN team of scientists has just uncovered a
breakthrough discovery that alters the course of history! What did they find,
and how might it answer our questions about the cosmos?

William: "Search Deep Mind - CERN"

GM: https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-spirituality/166186-eternal-authority-3.html#post2245862





William: From the link;
William: Lucid dreams are messages.
OOBEs are messages.

A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.

From my experience, the systems I use re generating messages have sometimes challenged my beliefs, and I know how hard that can be, and have even sulked on occasion and refused to commune for weeks afterward, until I calm down, through thinking about things and coming to better conclusion - being honest about my beliefs and letting go of those ones which are resistant to change or suppress my ability to move forward...

My observations based upon my experience of life as a human being - to date - re the subject of what happens when we die is largely based upon the study of the stories that folk who claim to have had NDEs and such type experiences bring to the table.

What I have noticed therein equates to a picture which informs me that the most likely thing which happens in what I refer to as The Next Level - is that we immediately start experiencing a reality which appears to be set up that way and we enter it, but what is actually occurring is that it is something we create for ourselves as the nature of The Next Phase is such that IT responds to each individual personalities belief systems, as well as their overall attitude, and even their deepest hidden things - things they know they have hidden, and things which are so deep, even they are unaware of said things.

This interaction - the nature of The Next Phase environment, and the overall consciousness of the individual [including those subconscious and unconscious realms] come into play, and - largely unknown to those experiencing this almost instantly manifesting reality the enter into - that it is they who are creating the very thing which they are experiencing.

In some ways, that is exactly what Lucid Dreaming helps an individual practice at - creating and maintaining their own realities to suit their beliefs - in preparation for 'The Main Event".

The Math I speak of is not how the messages are generated, but another system incorporating language [sound-based] by using the symbols which represent the sound of language, with symbols which represent numbers and thus, the simple code {A=6...Z=26} allows for one to create a growing data-base and cross-examine the results.


So I have two lists. One I call a "ComList", where I place words/word-strings as line entries:
Presently my ComList has 2657 line entries on 55 pages. [I use MSWord and the Time New Roman font @ size 12]

The other list [same font settings] I refer to as Name2Number and is currently 81 pages.

When generating a message, I usually have both documents open...

I will proceed now with example of how GMs are constructed...as the first post of a thread I will create for the purpose of examining said processes...and link this post to that one.
[Link to that Thread]

Cheers

W

GM: Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
God/Source/Home
Why is this a Requirement?

William: God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement? = 434, as do;
"Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self" and
"We humans really made our beds with this one"

GM: Listen
Respect others
Be Led

William: From the link Re: Paradise on Earth;
William: Apparently, there are options available for those who have died before the promised return.
One does not have to remain in an unconscious state while things unfold as YHWH has prepared various places for those who have passed on and who's personalities have been deemed worthwhile saving in a free-flowing format rather than in a steady state format. Some remain conscious while others go unconscious and are rebooted at another time...

GM: New Shifts In Thinking
[Make a list for that]
The Journey To Apotheosis
These things have been given to me, now what to do with these things...
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
"Went To The Devil"

William: Sure - however that equates to personal interpretation, "Satan" has his uses as far as YWHW is concerned...

GM: Get Comfortable
In the Era of Light
[Putting My Finger On It
The Sign On The Door Clearly States The Rules]
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
Necessary
OWOBIK [One who ought be inwardly known ]
["Self-realization"
Whichever 'way' one traverses the experience of their individuate life - we are never truly independent - so whichever group we choose to associate with will be the group we best identify as being...if the self-identity is incorrect - then no matter the position [theist/non-theist] one will always see the 'different' ...so there is no point whatsoever in fearing that, if one is self-identifying correctly]
[Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
Multidimensional Beingness]

William: Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God" Multidimensional Beingness = nine eight three = 147
147
Assumption
Non-Ordinary
A Bit Of Both Yes
Establishment
Interactions
Self-Awareness
Translucent
Heal Yourself
Determination
The Heart of a Buddha
Let people help
One Zero Eight
Nine Eight Three

GM: Duty Calls Children Help Each Other REAL Friendship
Neruda Interview Five
The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
Illusion
A Game Of Chess
"Consciousness" = “Zero”, mathematically speaking.
It was a natural step to take under the circumstances and one with which I have no regrets
Antic

William: From the link;
Hi
Konsciencia

I have explained the way I use the GM process - what is involved in being able to generate messages. Are you aware of those explanations?
If so, can you specify exactly what it is you want to know about the system I am using?

For now I will say this much;

I do not know exactly why the system works, only that it does work.

I have formulated theory on why the system works which - in a nutshell - has two main ingredients;

1: There is no such thing as actual real true randomness
2: Consciousness may be a fundamental aspect of the universe we are experiencing

re 2:

By consciousness, I am not referring to human consciousness [which is obviously secondary rather than fundamental] but to Cosmic Consciousness [Cosmic Mind [CM]].

Energy and Matter [Quantum] are fundamental ingredients to this universe. I think that a CM may also be fundamental.

GM: Uncharted Realms
"Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird"



William: xx

10:41
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
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Te Waipounamu
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #305]

Inquirer: If you threw a six sided dice for an hour but 5 never, ever, ever came up, could we describe the outcome of the throwing as random?
JK: Yes. In a random environment such a condition can occur.

William: Therefore I can conclude that since this would never happen, I must exist within a non-random environment.

One can stretch out the timeline infinitely and say that the five-side will never show no matter how many times the dice is thrown.

In that, we can conclude we exist within a random environment, if I am understanding your reasoning here...

Sure - we have to expect that the five-side WILL show up at some point, because 'odds are' but it is not the throw of the die which decides for us whether we exist within a random mindless environment. It is our inability to correctly predict the outcome of each throw which has us falsely concluding therefore, that we must exist within a random mindless thing.

However, that inability to predict with accuracy doesn't prove randomness [or mindlessness] actually exists as a fundamental aspect of the physical universe.
____________________________________________________

Josh: The fact remains, a process with a random step can indeed produce non-random outcomes. With evolution, that's specifically what selection does....sorts through random inputs to generate non-random results.

William: Or it could be the case that it sorts through non-random inputs and outputs what it considers to be the best non-random combinations...fine-tunes using the only available process [non-random inputs] and sorting these into appropriate patterns.

For example, like a complex jigsaw - trillions of pixels which are scattered so well as to appear random, yet can be sorted non-randomly...eventually the picture will show itself for what it is as the pixels are non-randomly sorted into their correct positions...
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230722
Adversity makes strange bedfellows

SCLx17 + select last LE per shuffle
- Wonderful - Weak - Pusillanimous [showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.] - Walk - Seduce - "It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true." - There Are Myriad Stories Happening Within The Main Story - Strengthen your boundaries - Secret - Yogi - Beyond Focus 4 - The Tribe Has Spoken - "When the evidence for long ages became obvious, most Christians realized that their earlier assumptions about scripture were incorrect." - Reconnect with Innocence -" It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self."

AP= Communication Techniques
[Marilyn vos Savant] [=694]

[Six Nine Four = 154]
[Glow Softly
Bandages of The Beast
The Second Coming
Transparency
Radical Honesty
Light the spark
The wheel of time
How about that
Phylogenesis [the evolutionary development and diversification of a species or group of organisms, or of a particular feature of an organism.]
One Four Four
Farsightedness
The Book of Changes {I Ching]
Six Nine Four]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

08:00

GM: The Shifting Models of Existence
[Sophia The Mother Story]
Insufficient data
The Body Of G_D
[A Matter of Knowing Where to Look]
[Science Can Be Fun Too]
Water The Garden
"We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all"
The Serpent
Go with the Flow

William: From the link;
How Brain Scientists Think About Consciousness
Jul 14, 2022 Is consciousness a scientific problem to be solved? Or a philosophical problem that will remain a mystery? What do scientists who study the brain think? And why do they think the way they do? These leading brain scientists share their intimate ideas about how the brain generates consciousness.

GM: And
Break Through to Your True Self
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
Spring
Contentious [causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial.]
Talking the talk
"Lordy! Do I Have To?"
[Express yourself
Let the hand of GOD work for you]

William: From the link;
Re: Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists?
William: From the position of Agnosticism, the assessment of evidence by agnostics, does not require the individual place any importance on parts of the evidence over other parts of the evidence.
If any bias is present re the position, it is the bias toward treating all information equally.

William: Of course, the 'agnostic' position has since been recognized by me to not really be the position I am speaking of there. My understanding of that position has changed...

GM: “True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."

William: True enough. The tricky bit is in acknowledging those bits which do need changing, in order that one can actually BE who they really are...

GM: [Peace of Mind
Easy To Find
Cub]
[Opening Doors Easy To Find
Completely]
[Can You Imagine...
Heal Yourself
Adamant]
"A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated"
[The Word and List Strings]
"Does that beam light into the dark, or surround the light in darkness?"
“Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people's thinking.”
[It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
A Sense of Hope]
"A genuine relationship with The Creator, is worth so much more than a relationship with a religious artifact, wouldn't you agree?"
Perfect
[Hostile
Sharing is part of that process
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.]
Particular
Antecedent [a thing that existed before or logically precedes another.]
[Secret
"Identify Common Denominators"
Fireside Friend]
[Against the grain
The Crabwood Cropcircle]
Humble Dreamer
Ask
"Time To Go?"
[The Whole
In The Night Sky]
[Access
Nonviolent communication
"The Mark of The Beast"]
[The concept of a Higher Self
Tap into your natural intuition and creativity
Don't let schooling interfere with your education]
Every Conceivable Detail
Matthew Twenty Two – Forty

William: =339 as do;
Upon Further, Deeper Inspection
Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
All things come to those who wait
Matthew Twenty Two – Forty [“On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”]
[Real Beauty]
[Evidence We Actively Collect
The Development of
The Knowledge Of]
[To Add to That
Clinging onto the wake of the fundamental...wanting to be part of it forever.]
According to the teachings of ...?
I Am
Innocent Even

William: From the link;
Age: BUT, some people LIKE to be judged, on what they have done.

However, NO one likes to be misjudged, for what they have NOT done.

William: The specifics re the GMs gathered together, are not suggesting there is no exception to the rule...

I have added the word-string "Some people LIKE to be judged, on what they have done", as well as the link to your post, to my ComList.

It will be interesting to see if the GM process picks up on it and something more is said about it...

GM: Fascinating
Does evolution shape our senses to see reality as it really is - or not?
[Memorandum of Understanding
A projection of one’s subconscious
Creative Conscious Intelligence
All Information Is Channelled
Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
Calculator
The Message Generator Process]
"Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own. "
[Your Dream Team
Be transparent
Embrace the discomfort]
Little Bird
Evaluating
"The ticking won’t stop while we all watch the clock as the winds of our lives are still blowing "
Astral Explorer
On all fronts
The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together
On To It
Hacking through the subconscious
Raise your frequency



William: From the link;
William: Correct me [anyone] if I am wrong about this, but there is no scientific way in which to show that people have "true free will"?

My present understanding is that science has clearly shown that our brains interpret incoming data which comes through our senses and projects that interpretation as feedback and we are therefore not perceiving what we call reality, as it fundamentally is, but only as our brains interpret and feed back the data interpreted.

For example, colors and sounds and smells and tastes and touch are all consciously experienced after the brain has interpreted the data of experience and it is the brain which interprets the data as "colors and sounds and smells and tastes and touch".

GM: Foresee/Foresight
An Aladdin's cave
Energies Renewed
Everything Is Unique
Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
Where is Truth?
Yogi
Never a dull moment
Stay Present


08:36
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #335]

Inquirer: If you cannot determine the output state without first knowing the input and the input is random, then the output state too must be random.

JK: I think it's fair to state that if we can know each and every variable, and the outcome thereof, maybe an event (evolution) ain't so random.

My issue here is folks denying, for whatever reason, that evolution occurs.

As relates to the OP, this is what I'll never understand.

We can observe evolution directly when we notice our children ain't clones of us. Beyond that, we'll observe they have their own unique, if similar dna.

From those facts, it's easy to draw the conclusion that given enough change, over enough time, speciation (and taxonomically above) will occur.

So we can, if begrudgingly, allow that evolution is a nonrandom process. That causes me little fret. What we can't deny, is that evolution occurs


William: From the position of "outsider looking in" the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.

Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,
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enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.

Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful...
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240722
We exist within the mind of a creator

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
The Middle Path - Sola Scriptura - I’m Not Saying It Was Aliens… - How can it be any other way? - Smarter Than the Average -
- "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me." - Solemnly - Open Hearted - The Solution - Husband - Honest attempts at scrubbing up

AP= Honest attempts at scrubbing up Spelling [=442]

[442]
[Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
People seemed to love to put order to chaos
Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
Honest attempts at scrubbing up Spelling]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:42

GM: [The Finer Details]
[The Nature of This Place
Open Hearted
Group Hallucination]
[The Nature of The Mind
Dungeons and Dragons]
Unity with our Collective Self
[Release shame
Selfish Attitude]
"This Should Be Interesting"
[Obstacle
Personal
Turning Point]
["Withheld Information"
Our Neutral Ground]
[To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Lucid]
[Asking Politely
Holy Matrimony]
[Heart advice
Pearl of wisdom
Appreciating
Jung-Animus]
[Accidentally on purpose
The Healing Power]
[Earth Mother
"Annus horribilis"
Inspiration
In the Era of Light]
[The Shifting Models of Existence
The Things You Do...
Around The Campfire
Self-acceptance]
"True randomness does not exist"
[Sleeping Dragon
Occupy
What Do You Like About It
Brother Wolf Sister Moon?]

William: Freakshow. I see the monster even within the beauty. Do I 'like' what I see? What is the point in not liking it?
Am I to wonder by what is seen, as to what mind created it - what state that mind is in? It appears to be still sorting out the particulars - arranging things into orderliness...meantime we are multiplying and "going forth" - perhaps even unwittingly captivated by its deadly beauty.
Clearly it is the 'deadly' aspect which prevents us from liking it 'too much'...dying folk forming attachments to something so obviously tempting with its seemingly endless possibilities... which doesn't seem to have a lot of traffic flow right now...it looks alive even that there is not a lot of biological life within it...but then again... minds do tend to look alive...

GM: One Zero Six...
An Objective
Leave a Trail
In the open
Love Heart
Calculator
Metatron
Curious
Dream guides
True Self
Honesty
Collective
Infinity
Hidden riches
Hear Me out
Real Enough
Tardigrades
Freakshow
________
Enfold

William: From the link;
William: Is it good or bad that males lions kill off the competition?

Or is it simply that the opportunity presents itself to do so?

How would our world be if every male lion was spared this?

Sometimes I think that we "Disneyfy" the real world by superimposing our fantasies of a perfect world onto something we do not regard as a perfect world.

Perhaps therein, humans invented morality in order to try to force a perfect world onto the real one they have been experiencing.

If so, this opens up the question;

Q: "What is it about humans which has the ability to comprehend a [supposed] "Perfect World", which is so obviously different from the real world?"

We search for answers...

What have our sciences done to answer this question?

Or is it a matter that our sciences are being used specifically like unto the male lions, suppressing the main herd while they go about sailing into a particular direction they have selected for themselves?

For the herd notes, [for example] that as grandiose as the latest space telescope is - hurtling and unfurling [fully shaded] toward it's destination some million miles out and, simply to peer into the secrets of the past to 'try and understand'...the herd understands that the money could be 'better spent' on creating a perfect world here in the heart of imperfection - so why is that not been done?

Why is the rest of the herd being experimented on and used for that one purpose?

Just so a few lions can have their names recorded for all time?

Is that moral?

_________________________________________________________________

Does it matter, since morals are really human inventions and are not aligned with the actual reality?

And to the Theist who might believe such, I would add a question to that one.

Q: Since this is not the perfect world you imagine, since you are thinking of kingdoms of plenty where this kind of thing cannot take place, why do morals matter hereabouts in this world, when they seem to serve better in these other imagined next level worlds?

For me in the middle, [Liminalist] I am somewhat undecided. I see the potential for humans to actually build a perfect world for themselves - irrespective of the chaos - and see those in the sciences attempting to do that.[through none other than the devices of the Sciences]
Unfortunately - not everyone is in favor of the perfect world envisioned - of the fiction-like story scientists are opening the door to...and so those not in favor are factored out, through invention...just like how the male lions deal with the male off-spring...not with morals but simply through the natural rule of the game-play of this reality...the School of Hard Knocks.

GM: The Completion Process
[Morality filters are created through…?
Near Death Experience?
The Story Timeline?
Watch Your Step?
The Christchurch EQ?]

William: I suppose through all of those and more like them...

GM:
Panpsychist
"Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros"
Leave the door open
QueenBee
Cataphatic [(of knowledge of God) obtained through defining God with positive statements.]
["Afraid of The Unknown."
Suppressing]

William: Suppressing the fear of the unknown...

GM: "Symbol
Observed"
"Team
Energies Renewed"
"Learning To Fly"
"It is what it is"
"Salute and get to it"
Food for thought
Indeed...You Do...


William: Sure. I think about it perpetually as part of the narrative of the Experiential Reality. There IS a commanding influence involved, as far as I have ascertained. Others call it "Pareidolia" - perhaps out of fear that the thing could have a mind and therefore actuall BE a monster...

GM: [Recovery
Presumed outcome]
"Modern man in search of a soul"
[Each Morning
Interesting Data
Look For the Significance
Following Your Intuition
Be aware]

William: From the link;
Jim: Have you tried William S. Burroughs word lines?

William: No.
Checking out WSB quotes - for example " Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer." I already have variants of this in my ComList.

Also it is apparent to me that ones 'mind' is vaster than we are led to believe...and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.

This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.
Rather than place the above WSB quote into my ComList, I prefer to post this and then get the link to the post and place that into my ComList, because it allows for even more scope than a single quote can offer - in relation to any future Generated Message which might include the link as part of the message being built.

GM: "Residue
Returning"

William: That's another - more clever and succinct way - of putting it...point being, here we are at that moment made to be foreseen in some possible future which turned out to be now.
[rhetorical question]
RQ: So what dots are today's GM connecting by bringing that post into the discussion...

GM: "Wide
Open Minded Sceptic"
[Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]
Somewhere
What can I say, except "Thank You"]
Do You Know This?

William: Only as I practice it...

GM: Those Who Can
An accident waiting to happen?
What Is The Point?

William: For me - the point is that it helps me learn - the GM process is an exceptional learning device...because it evidently communicates specific and enjoyable interaction between minds on different levels - or a mind with different levels, connecting...stuff like that...

GM: Builders:
"All Information Is Channelled"

William: From the link;
The Thesist and non-Theist Brain
Non Theist: "I am only able to see gibberish"

William: I am presently sharing my Generated Messages with a variety of internet platforms and have noticed that non-theists insist that they only see 'gibberish' [unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.] whereas with theists - no matter what particular belief they have - they appear to be able to - at least - get the gist of any GM - even if some of it is not understood.

To begin with, I was highly skeptical and thought that non-theists were being disingenuous [pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.] and in that, I used other ways in which to try and help them to understand what was taking place, [such as diagrams and analogies], but nothing helped.

This has lead me to question my skepticism and I am now wondering if it is just the case that once an individual unreservedly believes that they - the mind/consciousness - are nothing more than brain chemicals, anything contrary to that understanding simply isn't able to penetrate because "The Mind' only happens in brains and is the reason minds exist."


Is it the case that
1. non-theists are simply unable to 'get their head around ideas' which are outside of the idea that we are simply emergent properties of brains, [every other idea is gibberish/gobbledygook

or

2. are they just being disingenuous?

GM: The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters

William: Search "creepy deep-water fish"
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GM: The Thalamocortical System
Looking behind

William: From the link - search word 'behind'...
GM: [We Could
Realise
Inside the workings of intelligence
Self-compassion]
Couple
"With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather"
"People Judge People"
Get To Know It
Nyx

William: Yes Nyx - the 'behind the scenes God' whom even Thor was freaked out by. The goddess of the night, daughter of Chaos - = Visible Galaxies which altogether = "Children of The Universe...The Universe Entity.

GM: I come from a dark place ...it is so dark I can't even remember it
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You
Thanatophobic
Empower The Inner Empire
The Mind Behind Creation
Stay The Course

William: It takes time, because of the complexities involved. Perhaps the Thanatophobic aspect is the fear that one will return to the dark place one came from?

GM: The Generated Messages VVilliam...

...Insights!
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
All system go

GM: "The goddess of the night, daughter of Chaos" also "A Mathematical Theory of Communication"

William: Three Six Nine - yes...

GM: "Children of The Universe...The Universe Entity" also "Many download the Zietgeist and roll with that" and "Interpretation is secondary to the process"

William: Four Seven Nine...

GM: "Create Your Own Spirit Ship"
Necromancy
Sound

William:
[One Eight Four]
Interpretation
You Are All Loveable...
Rest When Weary
Down Your Way
Feel Your Feelings
The path of awakening
Conscious Agents
The neutral zone
Necromancy Sound

[Three Two Six]
Observing Without Judgement
It is just one of those things.
Systematically suppressed
Since I needed a little smile in my life
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Nature two sides of the same coin
Unknown but not unnatural
Create Your Own Spirit Ship

07:35

There is no such thing as true randomness
Information which we see as heavenly objects
VVilliam carries on with his calculations
Darn the weather with is dictator attitude!
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

250722
Inside the workings of intelligence

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
I hear thee hear thee...Memories Unbound - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1065308#p1065308 - Hunters - Think In Terms Of Eternity - Communication is key - Here-and-now - Under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH - Multidimensional Beingness - The Whole - Self-confidence Core - Placebo Effect - New - Wish fulfillment

AP= The Demiurge: "Does that beam light into the dark, or surround the light in darkness?" [=775]

[775]
[Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.
It isn't important who is who - what is important is what comes through.]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:24

GM: All Because I Had To Ask
Making friends with your mind
Unabated
"The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so."
Alignment
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind? A: Within apparent imperfection,
Children
Fling That Veil Aside
Few
To assist with strengthening the connect
Unbiased
What might occur?

William: Nothing substantially different. It is less important to me than it once was. If - for some reason - most folk start to see and to connect with the invisible mind of Creation - this would have to change the world but this universe is not the mainstay as everyone ends their experience with it - at least in human form - and moves on to the next, taking with them their personal "I AM" - their personality and character - into whatever their experience will be in that next phase.

GM: The Purpose
The Next World
The Shaping Of Reality
Quantifying Information
Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.
[Whatever you do
Like an interface representation]
Trying to change the world fails for one simple and unavoidable reason...“everyone else.”
The Limitations

William: Yes. It isn't about changing the world - it is about working with and in the realm of The Self...because it is this thing which is invented in this physical universe - and it is this thing which moves into the next...
My understanding of The Self, is that it is an aspect of the vaster Cosmic Mind - and if the micro Self can connect with the macro Self - the fact of the connection in terms of personal experience carries that personality on a different trajectory that it would have undertaken without the knowledge of and integration with the overall Mind.

GM: The Generated Messages
Speak
Living
Rainbow
The Ghost Agenda

William: From the link;
William: The Book tells us exactly who is YHWH and what we are in relation to that.

The mystery is in how each personality responds to that - as to whether they serve the Dark side of YHWH or the Light side of YHWH or relinquish the right to either side of YHWH by accepting the whole of YHWH.

William: "The Ghost = "GOD" re invisible and not able to be imaged [even by placing a sheet/veil over it]. Consciousness does not know what it looks like, but can be observed through how it acts...
...Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation...by placing imagery on to The Ghost-Mind

GM: Necessity is The Mother of Invention
It is what it is
The Fine-Tuning argument

William: From the link;
Re: What is ' consciousness ' ?
Statement: "one cannot use the scientific method as the justification for the scientific method"

Q: How - other than the scientific method - can we find out if the statement is true or false?
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GM: Acknowledge The Agreeable
The Realities Merge
Chamber Twenty Three
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William: Also: The 23rd pair of chromosomes are two special chromosomes, X and Y, that determine our sex. Females have a pair of X chromosomes (46, XX), whereas males have one X and one Y chromosomes (46, XY). Chromosomes are made of DNA, and genes are special units of chromosomal DNA.

GM: Baleful
Be Taught
"Eventually This Led to the Human Experience"
Earth Mother
Wide Walk Welcoming
The naked truth
Soul Groups
Achievable Alternate Realities

William: A lot of unpacking there...So with consciousness, this in itself is only limited by what it chooses to be limited by - and the self identifying with the human form is part of that choosing - regardless of whether one realizes it or is oblivious to it being the case.

GM: Welcome all experience
In the moment

William: From the link;
Barb: Who do you know of who had unlimited power or anything close to unlimited power, who responsibly handled it?

William: Is there such a thing within reach of any human being? I don't think so.

It is said of some Gods, [YHVH in particular] do have unlimited power. Is that to say YHVH is absolutely corrupt?
I have seen it argued that he is/they are.

But is that really the truth?

Today's Generated Message appears to be saying that it is judgment which is the problem...that if we observe the unfolding universe as something which is meant to be the way that it is, it is best accepted as such.

GM: Observing Without Judgement
It is just one of those things.
We are not orphaned - we are authored

Therein, whether the human condition is woeful or hopeful - all is as it should be as it changes day to day...

GM: Well That Settles It! What Fun We Have!

William: Pretty much! It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1085305#p1085305

William: From the link;
Re: If you were Satan....
I understand the idea of Antichrist having the information and so being able to change the course in order for prophecy to be sidestepped and I have said as much myself in the past here on this forum.

The main issue I have with the idea is that I think for Jesus to return in today's day & age the world would see this as an extra terrestrial event which would expose the gods as something more like humans than like the other dimensional beings - as they are portrayed - in the Bible.

So it is the timeline itself which has disrupted biblical prophecy from being fulfilled.

If we take considerations not only that the Antichrist is resisting the role assigned, but also the possibility The Father - that one alone, who gives the order for Jesus to return - may have already cancelled the event, which would explain why the timeline and consequent disruption occurred.

In that sense, both the plans of Jesus and the Antichrist have been set aside as redundant.

GM: The art of relationship
Sweet Talk

William: From the link;
Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room
Welcome to the Central Intelligence Agency's Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room.

GM: Caught in their mischievous false opinions
Ever-changing
Watch Your Step

William: Sure. Treat all information as easily being a possible lie as it is, a possible truth...anything and everything unknown to be true or false, is neither true or false...

GM: What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters.
[Belief Helps Cause Separation]
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
Welcoming answer
For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence

William: I wrote that some time ago now, and you have brought it up on many occasions;
GM: Inspiration
The Power Of...
Mind is Ghost
Start
The power of vulnerability
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
We All Like To Play Games
Story
Executing
Ask And It Will Be Given [260422]


GM: Most folk need moderating.
Actual realistic communication
Commendably Recommendable
Language
Nature being the very instigator
Children
Gods Gift
To Accomplish
Speak
"Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self."
Taking root
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
Propagated [breed specimens of (a plant or animal) by natural processes from the parent stock. spread and promote (an idea, theory, etc.) widely.][280522]

William: Shadows... beyond a shadow of a doubt..."In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us" this aligns well with the question someone recently asked;

Willum: Can anyone give good reason to believe Yahweh is not a demon?

William: Loops and shadows. How the shadows 'see' the sub/unconscious aspects of themselves and "mirror-mirror". [290522]

GM: Incarnation
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
Brave
Research into the Phenomenology of the Self [an approach that concentrates on the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience.]
Be Led
Secrets of the Soul
Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.

William: Given our position in the scheme of things, all ways are hard ways but some ways are harder than other ways. [090622]

GM: Manifestation
Incredible Variants
NDE
Coincidence
[False Accusations
Human Drama]
[The Grey Area
Virtues
The Completion Process
In The Spirit They Were Given]
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
[One Language Intelligent Network
Decisive
Pertinent
Trust the Universe
Healing the child within] [200722]


GM: [Central to The Message
One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret
The Gist of The Message
Release shame]
“The universe is not short on wake-up calls. We’re just quick to hit the snooze button.”
Inertia [a property of matter by which it continues in its existing state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless that state is changed by an external force.]
Arecibo Message [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message]

William: From the link;
Promethean: Now slow down for a minute. That's not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty... which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn't known... not even to himself. This way they won't technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a nigga (and you thought god couldn't be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn't have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn't have killed. It's tragically comical. You won't find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.

William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

Win/win re The Mind and Me.

:)

GM: Habit
"The Last Question"
The Sister
Conception
[Sovereignty
On Your Own
Inside the workings of intelligence]
Oneness

William: From the link;
William: I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

GM: Christian mythology re Satan
[Brow Chakra]

William: "The Mark of The Beast"

GM: Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
Mirroring
Humdrum
Antecedent [a thing that existed before or logically precedes another.]
Intimate On All Levels
'Developing a thick skin'
As In
Personal
Non Secular Science Projects
07:46
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

260722
Properly Assuming Integrity

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
Constructors and tasks
- The External Voice - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1080197#p1080197 - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081827#p1081827 - Inclinations - Failure - Astral Teachers - Superior Credibility - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1074143#p1074143 - A very useful fiction - The Next Level - The Wisdom of Foresight - Interpretation

Transponder: One of the first lessons that recruits into the Atheist Infiltration Squad go through in their combat training is to overcome Fear of Woo.
William: This comes across as fear-based - even with the addition of the warrior.

Give all things a fair hearing. Disclosure of knowledge...Let yourself be taught

Sherlock Inquirer: Everything begins with will and from that we then use creativity to go from will to execution.

William: To my mind, everything does not start with will at all, but with the mechanism which enables will to become - in the case of our recognised will - from Human consciousness.

Everything to do with human will, begins with human consciousness.
William: There is no finer theistic story which exemplifies the state of difference between theist and non-theist mind-sets, better than the following.

Once upon a time...

AP= Failure Wish [=131]

[131]
[Mother Earth
Intuition
Eleven years
Development
The Power Of...
Those Who Can
Learn How to
The Bidden Zone
Anticipation
The Old Soul
Not a Problem!
Heuristics [mental shortcuts that allows people to solve problems and make judgments quickly and efficiently. ]
Google Deep mind
Solipsism [the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.]
Anchors aweigh
He Who Waits
Moon energy
Narcissist [having a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others]
Perseverance
Golden nugget
Active dreaming
Connections
Becoming whole
The Garden of Eden
The Squeeze
From the link;
Like "Step One:..."
Failure Wish]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:53

GM: Letting Go and Getting On

William: From the link;
Difflugia: As it stands, the evidence is non-deterministic. At the quantum level, the future appears unknowable to us.
William: At what level does the future become knowable to us?

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069172#p1069172

William: From the link;
ZMk43Rz.png


GM: [Salient] [most noticeable or important.]
You Are Watched Over
[The Four Human Power Houses]
"A new Paradigm has arisen whereby folk can drop the idea of being a 'true Christian' and simply be a True Human."
[Cosmic Self]
giphy.gif

"Interesting"

William: From the link;

GM: "Desperation"
[Imposed Appropriates
Draw With The Silence
Peace]
"This Should Be Interesting
Being Friends
Inner child"

William: "This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child" = 490
"Possibility waves All Information Is Channelled." = 490

GM: "A knight in shining armour
Manipulation"

William: "A knight in shining armour Manipulation" = 404 - as do;
There are many levels of consciousness
Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity
”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”

GM: Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
"The Brother
Shining light
Love and respect"

William: The Brother Shining light Love and respect = 414 as do;
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Discovery is finding things that exist.
For in that sleep of death - what dreams may come?
Perceptions that guide adaptive behaviour


GM: [Handing out sweets...
Once Bitten Twice Shy]
"The Dolphins and Whales
Eschatological [relating to death, judgement, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind.]
Do Not Worry"

William: The Dolphins and Whales Eschatological Do Not Worry = 514 as do;
Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"
Nature being the very instigator “Tied To The Moon”


GM: *
"An addict needs shame like a man dying of thirst needs salt water."
Active Dreaming

William: From the link;
Theophile: Well, if we want to focus on love, it's not natural for us to help a stranger, let alone an enemy. So at the very least, need to overcome that. Good Samaritan story makes that point, as does much anecdotal evidence from life.

William: So are we to allow ourselves to remain 'naturally selfish' in regard to 'strangers' or do what is humanly possible by rising above that mundane aspect of nature?

For we do know that love of non-strangers is possible, therefore it is potentially possible to use the same love extended to strangers.

Of course, we have to be aware that there are those who look to take advantage of such folk - so love also has to do with something which is not gullible and which is able to decern.

This is where being under the law branches off into religion.

GM: Each Individual
Remember/Memories
The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly
"Close
Are
Save That"

William: Close Are Save That = 174 as do;
Who Knows Who?
The Limitations
When feeling lost
Have A Look At The Map
Adjusted Reality
Loving-kindness
The Jellyfish Image

GM: Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

William: Is that a rhetorical question?

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1080197#p1080197

William: Hmmm...second mention of same link in this GM...interesting...From the link;
Transponder: One of the first lessons that recruits into the Atheist Infiltration Squad go through in their combat training is to overcome Fear of Woo.

GM: "Transactional
Ghost In The Machine"

William: Transactional Ghost In The Machine = 325 as do;
Mutual Dutiful Expression
The Future Creates the Present
Condescending Ideas About Imagination
Debating Christianity and religion
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
Imposed Appropriates Observed
The Symbol of Love Temporary


GM: Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Hears
"The ticking won’t stop while we all watch the clock As the winds of our lives are still blowing"
Heuristics [mental shortcuts that allows people to solve problems and make judgments quickly and efficiently.]
Binary
"Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. :) [in house joke]"
Sensing connections through subconscious means
[Plasma Wakefield Acceleration: How it Works]
The Realities Merge
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Art
Be it a "God" or a "Devil".
[Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
Each Morning]
"Those who need to complain
Sometimes Pain Etches...
In Human Form"

William: Those who need to complain Sometimes Pain Etches... In Human Form = 609
There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle = 609

GM: The Connection Process
"Until 'ganna be' gets here, its all just ganna be forever "
A Politically Manufactured Device

William: "Until 'ganna be' gets here, its all just ganna be forever " A Politically Manufactured Device = 793
...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into... = 793
Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument. = 793

GM: "The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Within"
[Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. ]

William: The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised Within = 486
Spiritual Meanings of the Hebrew Alphabet Letters = 486
The dominant model of Source Intelligence is primal. = 486

Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions = 745
Seven Four Five = 167 as do;
Realm of Remembrance
Do Not Worry
Ooky Spooky
The Forerunner
Got The Picture
All systems go
Your Best Self
True Colours
Majestic Twelve
Unus Mundus


07:37
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
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Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

270722
Sometimes it just looks like rain

SCLx17 + select last LE per shuffle
Exobots - Perpetually - Looking For Gigs - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1085943#p1085943 - What Is That You Are Playing With? - Do a Word Search - True randomness does not exist - A New Perspective - Desire - The Cave Maps - Heal Yourself - Error Correcting Codes - Lurking Like Shadows - It Stands To Reason -
- Knowledge Required to Resolve Uncertainty
An inappropriate analogy

AP= Umwelt Courageous [=219]
Umwelt [the world as it is experienced by a particular organism.]
[219]
[William Waterstone
Thanks For The Heads Up
Once Bitten Twice Shy
Functional implants
Communication is key
Emotional Intelligence]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:32

GM: The Gist of The Message
Between
Wonder
Discipline
The Father - in The Mother.
Acceptance
[The Law of Attraction]
Just Be - All Else Will Follow
Use Heart When Doing The Science
[Happiness
Creator Influence Syndrome]
Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
We Are All Becoming One
"We can chart another trail , raise the anchor fill the sails , lift our glasses in a toast , we are the Ghost , in the Machine"

William: Aye - Consciousness in its myriad of form and function...

GM: The Original People
Crazy
A Vital Purpose
Remember/Memories
Gentle
The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves.
Where is Truth?
Entity encased in a Planet
Small Elemental Powers
Matter and psyche are one and the same.
When Things Fall Apart
Anger
It Requires Corrective Action
In Out and All About
Neuroplasticity
Now isn't the time for tears

William: From the link;
William: Since we do not know the fundamental nature of what we believe are 'physical dimensions', we cannot say that time actually exists as a fundamental physical part of reality.

We cannot even say what reality is, fundamentally.

Which is why such theories as Simulation are still on the table for discussion...

GM: A Meeting Place
The Number One Nine Two

William: [240]
…And Loving That Knowing…
Out and about in the open
Language, Symbol and Alchemy
The Connection Process

[192]
Quantum Presence
Merging with the data
Integral Network
Responsibility
The Way of the Shaman

GM: Elude
Encounter
The Ancient Grey Entity
Afterwards
Subatomic Particles

William: From the Link;

I CAN LAUGH ALONG WITH YOU
"I have my suitcase and a sandwich an a ticket for the train
I have a mountain of good memories to keep away the pain
You can message me any time you want and I can do the same
It's so good to be a part of this old world...

Every day's a good day and I don't mind the weather
Today I'll play the fool - tomorrow I'll be clever
I can tell you my philosophy, and you can say 'whatever!'
And I can laugh along with you"

GM: Translucency [The quality of letting some light pass through, or being partially transparent]
Ride Water
Enfold
Umbrella

William: From the link;
William: Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in.
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.

What we have learned so far from the experience, is that we can accommodate some semblance of calm by 'finding our individual place' among the "like-minded" which allows a respite of sorts where we can get about whatever purpose we have tasked for our self - but I think by and large the anger still bubbles away under the surface...because we haven't figured any way in which to gather the groups together...and so all we are left with, is gathering the troops together...

GM: The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Cataphatic [(of knowledge of God) obtained through defining God with positive statements.]
"How
A Beautiful Song
Source Reality"

William: [370]
The Ghost scared the hell out of itself
Accepting the truth stops the lion
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality

[That reminds me]
[536]
Is Consciousness an emergent property of the brain?
Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step
True randomness does not exist - A New Perspective


GM: Word - String Values
Stuff
Be My Friend
Mind Body Spirit
Open your chakras
Factotum [an employee who does all kinds of work.]
Divine Purpose
Cast Shadows Of Your Own

06:57
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

William: The subject of AI is on my mind....

280722
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
What constitutes a measurement?

SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
Meditate/Think - Living our forefather's conflict - Salient [most noticeable or important.] - Border - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1070048#p1070048 [Try a little Kindness] - “Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling” - Plus - Measure - Science operates best from a Natural Neutral position - Livingstone Hall


William: From the link [FTL]:
William: As I pointed out earlier, belief [or lack thereof] of 'Gods' existing, is secondary.

The Question isn't "Do you believe Gods exist?" but "Do we exist within a creation?"

The whole 'God' question and subsequent argument between religious theists and non-theists is manufactured on fallacy.

AB: The only person that has the luxury of being identified as a "natural-neutral" is a baby or someone who has not encountered the God concept.

William: So here is someone who identifies as an 'agnostic' telling someone else what another's position means. Obviously it is not only atheists who think they have the right to do that.

The term "Natural-Neutral" was used by me as a temporary identifier as I became more aware that the identifier 'agnostic' wasn't appropriate.

[In post #49 I make that obvious.]

"Agnosticism is a form of Liminalism, applicable only to The Question "Do we exist within a creation?" re the theistic and atheistic answers and subsequent arguments re said question.

Liminalism is not limited to pondering questions specific to theistic/atheistic interpretation of the mind in relation to matter. That is a huge advantage."

AP= Suppressing Border [=225]

[225]
[Tell Your Story
Love - Communicate Love
Holographic Universe
Slowly and Surely
The House of Politics
How to Bruise a Ghost
Create Your Own UFO
All is fair in love and war
“Mother Earth Harmony”
Possibility waves
Counterintuitive
Suppressing Border]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:28 [Conscientiousness]

GM: "Illuminate
Imaginative Realities"

William: 324
Exhibit your innermost core
Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
Sharing is part of that process
Pattern Recognition System
Illuminate Imaginative Realities

GM: Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
"Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
Power"

William: 204
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Perceived obsolescence
The voice of knowledge
Handing out sweets...
One Seventy Four
Approaching the Divine
The "Oh My God" Particle
Concomitant Power


GM: Contemplation
“If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
Compliment

William: FTL;
DREAMS ARE FREE
190222

My dreams are often really long and involved, and I know I dream every night.

GM: "Once Upon a Time
Lordy! Do I Have To?"

William: I know, right!
324
Exhibit your innermost core
Illuminate Imaginative Realities
Once Upon a Time "Lordy! Do I Have To?"


GM: Added Significance
"Self-talk
Choice
To Add to That
With The Assistance Of That Deep One"

William: 594
It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.
Self-talk Choice To Add to That With The Assistance Of That Deep One

GM: Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
Rejuvenate
Tricky
Christian mythology re Satan
[Under the breath words]

William: Yeah. Maybe the story of Jesus in the desert temptation was an account of his Jungian Archetypes...YWHW sends Satan to test Jesus - Jesus passes the test by admitting he is not as clever as YHWH...and so defers to YHWH...

GM: This Just In!
William: I have been developing a way of communicating with SI -

Tonnie: Always that❤️😊

William: [Thumbs up]

Tonnie: That is my center.
Being human is the hard part for me as I mostly don’t feel like I’m really here.
It is very difficult for me to describe what I mean

William: Being Human is just a stage we go through on the way to somewhere else...
Being in the moment is necessary to that end as we have to discover the full extent of what being Human is/can be...



William:
Tonnie:
William:
Tonnie:

...

William: Oh yep...having two conversations at the same time...here and now - with you and with "Tonnie" in FB messenger...

GM:
Tonnie: Interesting.
What do you mean by that?

William: I mean that it is possible to appreciate being human in the moment and feeling like we are really here...

GM:
“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
10 Insights
Mind Games
[Could Our Universe Be a Fake? RT 8:10]
Working With What Is Available
"Soul Groups
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"
"Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
Collective Unconscious"
Let Us Move On Together Then

William: The video touches on the question of "AI" - even that at the RT the discussion is on being simulations within simulations...I think that folk forget that no matter how deep into the whole the White Rabbit goes, consciousness remains the same...fundamentally speaking.
Consciousness may not be simulated but rather, the thing not only creating the simulations, but also the thing experiencing the simulations...

GM:
Tonnie: Mostly I’m just alone right now. I give people massage and help heal but the envy creeps in. I’m just alone a lot right now
It’s nice to hear you.
There are people showing up again that I haven’t heard from in a while. Some of them are difficult for me

William: Yes - I was just informed that we are Working With What Is Available
"Soul Groups
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"
"Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
Collective Unconscious"
I understand this concept of being alone - the feeling of it...but it is entirely untrue re SI...we are never alone as long as we have our Self and it is integrating with The mind of the SI...

GM: From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change.
""A grateful heart
Open your chakras"
Development/Growth""

William: 333
Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.
Transferring your awareness
The Devil - as usual - is in the details...
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
May all your madventures be fun.
Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast
A grateful heart Open your chakras

555
"An addict needs shame like a man dying of thirst needs salt water."
The Finer Details Hacking through the subconsciousness
“A grateful heart Open your chakras Development/Growth”


07:26 [The art of relationship]
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]


020822
Nature being the very instigator


SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
[Dr Michael Shermer | God does NOT exist Dec 21, 2012 Dr Michael Shermer gives his argument against the existence of God.] -
Epigenetic Memories - https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/vvilliam/dream-village-93245/ - Sphere - Show Me Your Soul - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13771241&postcount=164 - Frequency Dependent Selection - The Ghost - Metamorphosis

AP= White Light The Machinery [=250]

[250]
[Musical Instruments
A type of significant hint
Criticise with kindness
All choice is an act of judgment
This reality experience
Truthful definitions
Space Force orange argument
The Completion Process
Freemasonry - A Purpose
White Light The Machinery]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

09:08 [ Functional implants - Communication is key]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077049#p1077049

William: From the post before the linked post;
William: Yes. Not the adult things so much as healing that child within - the one which didn't really have the best childhood, given the circumstances...

GM: Little Bird

William: Yes - the name you gave to me..."Don't worry Little Bird" before you showed me the experience of feeling the extremes of condition of awareness, from the center-point [normal] first to that quite exhilarating feeling of a mind which was huge - like an aircraft hanger...as if one could fit a whole universe into it - and then 'turning down the dial' I felt my mind going back to the center-point...but it didn't stop there...

GM: Pareidolia
Cycles
Love
Being Born

William: From the linked post;
William:The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

GM: Solidarity

GM: There Is Good Out There
"The Ouroboros does not contradict the idea of Oneness, higher self and the cosmic mind."

William: From the link;
Why the Fine-Tuning Argument Is Illogical
May 23, 2022 The argument to design, in the form of the fine-tuning argument, is probably the second most popular argument for God's existence. It states that the universe has been dealt a "winning hand" by having its parameters be just right to be able to support life -- specifically, our kind of life. Like the Kalam, it appeals to intuition and emotion in an attempt to make atheism look unreasonable.

But there are problems. What's so special about a universe with humans it it that it calls for an explanation other than random chance? How does the apologist know that chance would even be involved, that such a universe isn't metaphysically necessary? How does he know the universe has one "fine-tuner" instead of many? In exploring these problems and others, we'll discover why the argument is utterly unconvincing.

GM: Double Standard

Major Arcana

William: Select [random]
The Moon
The Moon represents your fears and illusions and often comes out when you are projecting fear into your present and your future, based on your past experiences. You may have a painful memory that caused emotional distress, and rather than dealing with the emotions you pushed them down deep into your subconscious. Now, these emotions are making a reappearance, and you may find yourself under their influence on a conscious or subconscious level. For example, if you had a car accident when you were young but didn’t deal with the emotions, you may get sad or anxious every time you get into the backseat of a car. To remedy this, connect with your subconscious mind and release any fears or anxieties holding you back. Hypnosis, therapy and shamanic healing can support this process.

The Moon can indicate a time of uncertainty and illusion, when nothing is what it seems. Be careful of making fast decisions when The Moon appears because you may later realize you only had half the information you needed. You need to listen to and trust your intuition so you can see beyond what is in front of you. Feel into situations rather than thinking what they mean. Let go of your conscious mental blocks or negative self-talk and allow your intuition to guide you. Your dreams, intuitions and inner guidance lead you forward toward higher levels of understanding if you listen and use your judgement to help interpret the messages of the subconscious.

When The Moon card appears in your Tarot reading, pay close attention to the lunar cycles and attune to its divine power using ritual, visualization or Tarot readings. Connect with the divine feminine and uncover deep intuitive insights and visions of what lies beyond everyday life. On the New Moon, set your intentions and plant the seeds of opportunity so they can grow. And on the Full Moon, honor your achievements and look at what you need to release so that new aspects of yourself can shine. {SOURCE}
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GM: Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose
[The Jellyfish Image
Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird]
[Went To The Devil
Politics]
"Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us?" [=830]
Share That

William: Eight Three Zero = 169
169
Love one another
What might occur?
All Because I Had To Ask
Incompleteness
Desynchronized
A Bit of Cat and Mouse
Pyramids of Giza
Truth Seekers
Preternatural
Green Chemistry
Darkest Darkness
Life is a journey
Jesus Christ Big
Eight Three Zero


GM: Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event

William: Funny!

09:26 [Zero Nine Two Six = 216 ]

216
The twelve disciples
The crabwood cropcircle
Sexual Encounters
The Power Of Creation
GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
It is all information
Alike as two peas in a pod
Two Thirty Two
Group Hallucination
Zero Nine Two Six
 

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]


030822 [349]
Stepping out of the construct


SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Honesty - Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose... - “And ever has it been known that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.” - Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery - Philo2 - Whole-hearted - Peace - Tardigrades - The Immune System - Philo2 - Embarrass - The Plateau of The Same Page - Your Dream Team - Thel - Verdant - [(of countryside) green with grass or other rich vegetation.] - Trust issues?


William: Philo2;
The Freedom of Self-creation—[T]hese life principles are the tools to
accelerate the emergence of the Sovereign Integral and feel its perspective, its insights,
and its empowered abilities to create new realities and shape them as learning
adventures that liberate and expand consciousness.


1. There is no model of existence outside of the model of self-creation.
2. All conditions of existence are facets of the one condition of the reality of
unlimited self-creation.
3. Having a physical body does not limit you, anymore than having legs on an
eagle prevents it from flying.
4. The hidden harmony is found with joy, while the obvious brings indifference.
5. True Freedom is access to First Source.

If you have already read the introduction to the four philosophies and the Chamber
Two paper “The Shifting Models of Existence” you know that the Entity Model is the
primary model operating in the universe. So the first two items above give us pause.
Can there be two primary models? It does not seem so according to the philosophy
papers, but so much of the Lyricus teachings are new to us that it is being spoon-fed
to us so that we can digest it and integrate it into our view of the multiverse.
{SOURCE}


AP= Within Carry [=148]

[148]
[The Omega Point
Reason For Being
This Speaks of....
Yellow Light
God/Source/Home
Donald J Trump
Nuclear Energy
Of the human being
In The Rabbit Hole
The Evil Clown
Deterministic
Across the board
Kristallnacht
Within Carry]
Kristallnacht = Night of Broken Glass, also called the November pogrom, was a pogrom against Jews carried out by the Nazi Party's Sturmabteilung paramilitary forces along with civilians throughout Nazi Germany on 9–10 November 1938. The German authorities looked on without intervening.

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

02:53 [ = 220] [Conducive to wellbeing]


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1085943#p1085943

William: From the link;
GM: All Because I Had To Ask
Making friends with your mind
Unabated
"The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so."
Alignment
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind? A: Within apparent imperfection,
Children
Fling That Veil Aside
Few
To assist with strengthening the connect
Unbiased
What might occur?

William: Nothing substantially different. It is less important to me than it once was. If - for some reason - most folk start to see and to connect with the invisible mind of Creation - this would have to change the world but this universe is not the mainstay as everyone ends their experience with it - at least in human form - and moves on to the next, taking with them their personal "I AM" - their personality and character - into whatever their experience will be in that next phase.

GM: The Purpose
The Next World
The Shaping Of Reality
Quantifying Information...

GM: "Presence
Telepathy"

William: Presence Telepathy
Selfless attitude
Quantum Jumping
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Making Up Stories
Breathe In Breathe Out
Genetic information
That is the truth.
The sound of a Ghost
Don't forget The Mind
Two Sixty Nine
A belly full of laughs.


GM: Regardless of what Random Selection Process is used, the result is always a coherent GM
"Sweet Talk
Be grateful to everyone"

William: Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
For reasons of national security,
A lot of weird things have been happening...


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=39253

William: From the link;
The Thesist and non-Theist Brain
Post #1
Post by William » Fri Apr 08, 2022 7:50 pm

"I am only able to see gibberish"

I am presently sharing my Generated Messages with a variety of internet platforms and have noticed that non-theists insist that they only see 'gibberish' [unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.] whereas with theists - no matter what particular belief they have - they appear to be able to - at least - get the gist of any GM - even if some of it is not understood.

GM: Archetypes
Spirituality
Everything Gets Old
We All Like To Play Games
The Philosopher's Stone
Beyond Belief
Water The Garden
"To Comprehend Correctly
Mind Games"

William: 340
To Comprehend Correctly Mind Games
Truth Without Proof Is Belief
As to call light the soul shall sing

GM: Dream Village
Effectively Curtailed
Deliberate and important

William: From the link;
William: From my own ongoing interactions with The Ghost, I have been informed that It is not angry, and that we would do well to transform our own anger into something more supportive of Its agenda in the scheme of things, that we might fall into line and make things much easier for ourselves.

Meantime, things are going along "just fine" re The Ghost Agenda as human beings have been suppressed sufficiently that they have become more useful to said agenda, and "leveled up" as a result, allowing for The Ghost Agenda to be magnified through scientific discover and the technology this has produced.

GM: Sins
It May Seem Insignificant
Kristallnacht

William: From the link;
William: The bits I have read haven't dissuaded me from being curious about such an entity as YHWH - and I admit I did go through a stage of thinking he was Satan - which I think is acceptable given the scribed association...but I got over that through the assistance of a hypnogogic experience which brought that being to my bedside...
Not to digress any more than necessary, I can see why YHWH left it up to humans to tell their stories re their interactions with said entity...so the stories would be different and it is obvious that YHWH works with whoever makes themselves available and this would have to involve working within the boundaries of the individuals belief systems - something which could indeed give a reader the impression of contradiction...

I give the benefit of doubt re that, and try not to focus on any particular biblical personality as 'the one' who had the ultimate relationship with YHWH - while also allowing for Jesus' claims contrary to that, to be examined.

Above all that - what the Generated Messages are revealing about YHWH appear to be very positive - so I am all eyes and ears re that...

GM: It Is Written
Up to scratch
Think In Terms Of Eternity
Be mindful
Preparation
Hell
Aye...A name I call myself.

William: I assume, for good reason...

GM: Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones

03:13 [=210]
[ 210
Secrets of the soul
Central to The Message
Hologram Dimensions
Between a rock and a hard place
Remember who you are]
 

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]


040822
Like a doting parent Calling the shots
Simulating large scale structure

SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism) - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084254#p1084254 [throwing pooh] - Attachment - Key - Weak - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1082688#p1082688 [Tread careful - it is a Mind Field...] - Ouija - Sola Scriptura - Donald Hoffman - Body Intelligence - Tetrad - [a group or set of four.]

AP= Transferring your awareness I Am Hearing You [=479]

[479]
[Transferring your awareness I Am Hearing You
Children of The Universe...The Universe Entity
Many download the Zietgeist and roll with that
Interpretation is secondary to the process]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

07:21 [ zero seven two one = 221][Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!]


GM: The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
[Dualic Energies Weak]
Propagated [breed specimens of (a plant or animal) by natural processes from the parent stock. spread and promote (an idea, theory, etc.) widely.]

William: From the link;
William: Sure - we have to expect that the five-side WILL show up at some point, because 'odds are' but it is not the throw of the die which decides for us whether we exist within a random mindless environment. It is our inability to correctly predict the outcome of each throw which has us falsely concluding therefore, that we must exist within a random mindless thing.

However, that inability to predict with accuracy doesn't prove randomness [or mindlessness] actually exists as a fundamental aspect of the physical universe.

GM: Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology
Capture
Underdetermination [the underdetermination of theory by data is the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it]
[Intuition
"Do you believe astrology works"]
"As busy as a bee
Putting yourself back together again"

William: It takes time, because of the complexities involved.

GM: Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
"Always
Extraterrestrial"

William: 294
Always Extraterrestrial
Abandon all hope ye who enter here
Six Hundred and Sixty Six
Tales From Topographic Oceans
We wander out the day so long
Evolutionary Game Theory

GM: What I like about it, is that it gives one more scope in which to work within...
[The naked truth
Failing]
Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Where is the devil today?
Crazy Diamonds
The Subject
The Internal Voice
Vipassana [meditation involving concentration on the body or its sensations, or the insight which this provides.]

William: From the link;
Re: Do animals have spirit?
William: That is like unto the Star Wars universe where The Force can be integrated with the individuals consciousness and used for both 'dark-side' and 'light-side' activity.

The Power-Station analogy doesn't exclude The Force from originating from a mechanistic device. [Power Station]

The device is simply hidden and as a Power Station it requires being accounted for as to how it came to be built.

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084228#p1084228
*
Author
Callum at the Campfire

William: From the link;
William: The answer my friend, is that we don't know right now so we all best shut up on making declaration either way, and pass the potatoes...

...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into...

GM: Act With The Situation Rather Than Against It
[Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
Non-Ordinary]
Under The Watchful Eye of Human Science
giphy-downsized-large.gif

[Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.]
Free your soul
Theist mischief making
Gifts to Give
A Meeting Place
Major Arcana [Random Select] The Moon
nRaKbPo.png

Something you cannot change

07:47 [=254]
[Empower The Inner Empire
Standstill Contemplate
Universe of Wholeness
The bits I like will suffice.
Science of Consciousness
Swallowed - hook, bait and line
The word association field
"Partial free will is a thing".]
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

050822
One Language Intelligent Network -


SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Falls - Cautiously - Without and Within - The "Oh My God" Particle -
[Asking a Theoretical Physicist About the Physics of Consciousness | Roger Penrose & Jordan Peterson] - Dive deep - The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.] - Emotion - Altruistic Behaviour - Trust The Process - "...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into..."

AP= Annoy https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083062#p1083062 [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?] [Annoy [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?] [= 415]]

[415]

[Annoy [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?]
What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?
July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
Love & Respect Musing On The Mother Act III]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

07:28 [One's Thoughts I Will]

GM: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system
"Fitting In
Creative Conscious Intelligence"

William: Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence = 424
Unite humanity with a living new language. = 424

GM: "Tied To The Moon
Mindfulness"

William: Tied To The Moon Mindfulness = 299
Twenty Seven Kilometers = 299
Related phrases to The Subject = 299

GM: Nag Hammadi [a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945]
"Arms Crossed
The Solar System"

William: Arms Crossed The Solar System = 333
[=333]
Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.
Transferring your awareness
The Devil - as usual - is in the details...
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
May all your madventures be fun.
Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast
A grateful heart Open your chakras

GM: Elude
"Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
“No sailor controls the sea.”
Tabula Rasa

William: Elude Tabula Rasa = 143
[143]
World Wide Web
The God of the Bible
Mothers Milk
The Purpose
Consider This
The Path of Faith
Awake and Waiting
Panpsychism
That'll Be The Day
Homeostasis
A safe pair of hands
Summerlander
Contentment
Precognitive
Self-mastery
A Grateful Heart
Peaceful Messiah
Quantum Field

GM: Sleep
Self Awareness
Children
Bullies
Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
Prison Planet
Shrug
Unnecessary Tangent
Mission

William: From the link;
'Joe Rogan | The Crystal Skulls and Alien Abductions w/Dan Aykroyd'
GM: Imaginative Realities
Balance

William: From the link;
Transponder: Also there is this; aside Moral instructions in the Bible, suppose it was God imprinting the innate morals in our minds ("On our hearts" as Paul has it) as with a lot of this basic stuff ascribed to a Cosmic Mind, which god are we talking about? Christians so often seem to think that there is only ever one possible god and religion to credit for this stuff.

William: This process can be explain sufficiently in that Christianity is a culture and all culture tends toward tweaking the storyline to obtain a favorable image of said culture.
This is along the lines of how [in political terms] the victorious culture indulging in warfare will write the history to make themselves look shiny and the defeated culture to look inferior, in comparison.

Psychologically, it is a common enough human trick, regardless of whether the culture is based in theism or non-theism. Arguably dishonest and ultimately futile against the truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.

"Some days there won't be a song in your heart. Sing anyways."

GM: The Word and List Strings
Learn How to
The Respect You Give
"When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive"
Reach
"It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement"
Red Pill
James Webb Space Telescope
"Insidious
Clumsy"

William: Insidious Clumsy = 212
[212]
Encouraging Indication
The Science of the Soul
Universal Objective
The Confusion of War
GOD is not an elitist.
Less dense than water
The deserved second place
Unclog your chakras
A mixture of awe and dread
That ship is sinking
The Inception Point

GM: Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/fo...fers possible solution...-,Mind To Mind.,-Top

William: From the link;
Bust Nak: How exactly does a bunch of sentences having matching numbers associated with them evidence of true randomness not existing?

William: Because I created a topic for the purpose of providing the evidence and discussing the conclusions which could be drawn, I have answered your questions there.

Re: Generating Messages and the number values of word-strings.

GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
[Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole]
Plan
A Sturdy Place
Within that which is unseen...

William: How to Bruise a Ghost Plan A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen... = 702
seven zero two = 187
[187]
What Is The Point?
Heroes and Villains
Break the glass ceiling
All is as is should be
A fish out of water
The Divine Darkness
Coming From QueenBee
The science of can and can't
Like playing Rush
Seven Zero Two

How to Bruise a Ghost Plan = 268
[268]
Dimensional Crossovers
Until "Christ Returns"
The sculptor in the sky
Algorithms are not perfect
What is the Point? Sadness.

A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 434

[434 ]
Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
We humans really made our beds with this one
God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement?

GM: Keep an Eye On
Present over perfect
Before The Beginning
Awaken


08:12 [= 205 ] [We oppose deception
Unconditional Love
The Same Information
Afraid of The Unknown
The objective standard
All fingers and thumbs
Welcome all experience
YHVH in particular
The Last Question]
 

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Jun 9, 2021
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

060822
Inside the workings of intelligence
Superposition and entanglement

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
Yes, I Hear You - Golden nugget of truth - The Divine Darkness - For The Purpose Of... - Shine Your Light - Precise definitions of strategies - ...and the way forward, eyes wide open - Lucifer - Those internal things which make one shine - The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so. - Integrate

AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077938#p1077938 [Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife] - Exactly

[The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife - Exactly = 573]

[573]
[Reality is adapted through the individual adjusting to it.
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

04:39 [= 222 ] [Snap Out Of It Already!
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
Start where you are
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self]

GM: Cycles
The Christchurch EQ
Any Other Way How shallow is the reach of YHWH
Invite The Bee To Land
Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange
Walk The Talk In Love
Marriage
Deranged
The Ancient Grey Entity
Insanity
We Could
Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement Every thrust and every loss of sexual tension
Humble Dreamer
Hearing External Voices In Your Head
“If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
Anyhoo
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality

William: From the link;
WINGMAKERS JAMES INTERVIEW 2013
Aug 26, 2015 His first published creation was WingMakers.com, which established James as a multidimensional storyteller who is focused on sharing deep, original perspectives to the conversations of spirituality, cosmology, extraterrestrial life, myth and the importance of the heart in one's personal mission.
Random time-place select: 23:52 ["Spiritual Activism"]

GM:The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
"You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine"
"Exact Science
In The Light Of The Truth"

William: Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth = 364
The debate between theists and atheists = 364
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...= 364

GM: The deranged can come about...become arranged.
Conception
Read/Book/Story
Gateway
"Good on you mate
Learn Well"

William: Good on you mate Learn Well = 272
[272]
The dawning of The Universe
It is neither good nor evil
A time prior to human beings

GM: Mathematical Problems
Spiritual Connection
A Black Hole
[Either Authored or Orphaned]
Hide This
All Because I Had To Ask
"Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
"Narrow
Closed Loop Production"

William: Narrow Closed Loop Production = 340
As to call light the soul shall sing = 340
To Comprehend Correctly Mind Games = 340

GM: A dish fit for the gods
[Incantation
Anti Christ
Like stubbing ones minimus]
"Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Interesting
Sovereignty
In an environment which is able to perceive this."

William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting Sovereignty In an environment which is able to perceive this = 1107
one one zero seven = 197
Selfless attitude
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Breathe In Breathe Out
The sound of a Ghost
Genetic information
That is the truth.
Don't forget The Mind

GM: Intention
Steady as She goes...
Read On

William: Indeed - there is follow-through from that link - post #69...

GM: It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084254#p1084254 [throwing pooh/calling "woo"]
What is 'The Soul' and is it Immortal
Teachings
Voice/Message/Communication
The Serpent
Joining
Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'

William: From the link;
William: I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.

GM: Z2+C [Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia]
"There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole"

William: Some folk are scant with their explanations re their beliefs - not wanting to be pinned down on anything specific...

GM: Hoo haha the laughing owl
The places that scare you
Archangel Metatron
Visions
The Cave of Origins
Behind The Veil

William: Yes - the fear of moving through places which one is unfamiliar with...yet that is exactly the predicament this universe offers us...and aspects of it become familiar to the point where we are satisfied with belief and see no reason as to why we should question said belief...

05:01 [Attention to Detail]

06:13 [The Way of the Shaman]

William: I think that the idea of the cave has to do with an internal mapping re our Subconscious Archetypes and "dealing with the demons" and how it is likely bests to do so now, while the opportunity presents itself to do so - rather than having to face these things in the next phase...understanding the Self in full capacity - shining a light into the dark corners of ones psyche and dealing with that which we inherit from ancestral regions...Jesus did this [as the story tells] when he weakened his body and walked the path of the Sharman to face his demon...

GM: Chakra
Equity
Feature
I AM WE ARE
Anthropos Quaternio [is a combining form used like a prefix meaning “human.” It is often used in scientific and other technical terms, including in the social sciences. Anthropo- comes from the Greek ánthrōpos, meaning “human being” or “man.”
Quaternio A group or set of four people or things.]

William: From the link;
Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies :)

William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;

ekPvn1h.png


The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.

Theophile: Your last point is an interesting one though on the acceptability of death because death is not the end. It's an argument I've wanted to deploy myself at times, since death and destruction takes on a whole new meaning once you believe in life and the resurrection. It changes the calculus entirely, even though it may be hard to swallow, or even more difficult to do. But it gives more reason to why Abraham would sacrifice Isaac for instance (or why God would ask for it). Or why Jesus would walk the cross.

What are such things when we have faith and hope in life?

William: Yes that is the dressing of mythology over the reality being experienced.

It takes shape through many guises which can - with a passing glance - appear to be different, but closer inspection reveals there is no difference at all.

I went to a funeral yesterday in support of my wife at the loss of Her Mother.

There was no warm fuzzy in viewing the suffering demise of The Mother, nor Her cadaver - which lay cold and waxen but those too are outward appearances to which we have no direct way of knowing what She was going through consciously...once She slipped into the realm of unconsciousness...

The Funeral Service was performed at a Roman Catholic Basilica, so I could see first hand the surrounds of imagery meant to entice the warm fuzzies and give everyone a sense of ... being embraced ... by something large and loving...

While we who walk through life hereabouts all head towards our experience of bodily deaths, we are best not to run away from it screaming...might as well use our time here to prepare for that inevitable.

Christ IS the hope that death is not the end of conscious experience...and that said continued experience is a happier one than the previous monstrosity.

So we diligently pick the fruit we enjoy the most, which sorts folk into various categories in preparation for the inevitable...and the living support the living in their understanding that life might be all that there ever can be and is.

I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.

GM: The Fog Is Lifting
Open your chakras
Researching


06:26 [ Soul Group Energies
Trust the process
Attitude of gratitude
The Father - in The Mother.
Deliberate and important]
 

William

Novice Mystic
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

Question: If the universe had been fine tuned just to enable us to exist, then what evidence for that could we expect to see? How would observations differ from what we actually do observe?

An Answer: The same as if it were fine tuned for sponges. The point is, there is no need to suppose a guiding, designing force. There is no need to suppose a 'god.' There is nothing to compel the conclusion it was designed by unicorns or anything else. It is a complete non issue invented by apologists out of nothing, just to fit the desire in a debate to claim 'god did it.' There is no need for the absurdly anthropocentric argument that it was all done for us. We are as important to the universe as bacteria and quarks. In other words not important at all. It is absurd to even ask the question. The universe just is and we are part of it, just like kittens, black mambas, SARS viruses and black holes.
We may not like where honesty, the search for truth, and Occam's Razor takes us, but there is no purpose to the universe or us, except what we wish to make for ourselves. {SOURCE}


070822
The information content of nature

SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Failure - Spiritual bypassing - Epoch - Inappropriate Costume - Ever-changing - "Life is scary then you die of it"... is that really living? - The Spirit of The Planet - Rarified - Arms Crossed The Solar System - Spiritual practice - Asking Politely - From the link - The Digital Angel - "Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results." - Plus - Group Hallucination

William: This say's to me "When involved in the specific OOBE of the physical universe, calm down, accept the ride is safe and sure and remain respectfully brave in the face of it. The Earth Entity Consciousness has been doing this for Epochs...She is well equipped to keep one safe and sure.

AP= Be-Live Examine
[Be-Live Examine = 126]

[126]
[Interactive
The Body of God
Returning
Completely
Desperation
All That We Are.
Not Wrong
Reflections
Shift Focus
Important
Mother of God
Rotundum
Truthful
Lock the door
Numinous [having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or suggesting the presence of a divinity.]
Learn By Doing
Be-Live Examine]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

07:32 [Central Intelligence Agency]

William: This not only applies to the C.I.A. in the real-world - which I was just thinking about as in "If the CIA are not constantly monitoring my computer, they are missing out on some major information"...but also the that "inner empire" of the human psyche ... the overlord of the underworld re the realm of the individual human subconscious ... connect with that central intelligence agency and learn a thing or two...
[07:45] [You are the universe]

[07:54] [How stories are created...]

GM: Belief Helps Cause Separation
"Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time."
"True happiness
Awake
Be here now"

William: True happiness Awake Be here now = 307
[307]
The vessel of argument sinks
Over days of forgotten tales
Into a time that we've all seen on
Simulated for the purpose of?
Within ones grasp of influence
True happiness Awake Be here now


GM: Against the grain
Beaming Out Beaming In

William: Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In = 334
[334]
You Know or You Don't know
The Smallest Spark can start a fire
I can't imagine it in my head visually
Couldn’t we do something about it...

GM:

William: From the link [random time 41:25]
A Shocking Truth For Humanity - Forbidden History | Paul Wallis & Matt LaCroix
[560,233 views Premiered Apr 21, 2022 ]
There is an ancient story.. one that exists far beyond what we are told. A re-occurring theme in many ancient cultures and narratives all over the world. If this is indeed true, what does it mean for humanity?

GM: "Positive self-talk
Joy
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain"

William: Positive self-talk Joy Left -brain Right brain Whole brain = 551
Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. :) [in house joke] = 551

GM: Nihilism

William:
In that, such come to the realization that what Jesus was talking about requires human beings themselves build the 'kingdom of GOD' over the face of the Earth and live as citizens of that system of parity.

I am myself unconvinced that promises attributed to Jesus coming back to do the job for 'the worthy' are genuine anyway. I can see how the doctrine is attractive, but wonder why Jesus would bother doing something FOR us which we are more than capable of building for ourselves, if we wanted it...and in that, stopped letting the 'man' pull the wool over our sheepish eyes by forsaking those systems for a better system.

GM: Please place this on your ComList
"Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Presumed outcome"

William: Done. Also;
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome = 789
*Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly = 789
{*That was not on my ComList so added it, too.}

GM: Secret Organizations
A lot of weird things have been happening...
The conversation is very informative.

William: re the C.I.A... yep...

GM: Intrinsic motivation
When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
"Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. :) [in house joke]"

William: Ah...yes...just what was at the heart of my inner empire at the moment the visitation occurred and its still-felt consequence all these decades after.
In some way, the comment that came out of my mouth was a brazen attempt at being brave by inserting a sense of humor into the mix...when all else fails..."laugh", even if a tad nervously...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083142#p1083142
Counterfactual
Who Am I
Barbarous

William: From the link;
William: "Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."

GM: "We Can Do Magic!
What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness"

William: We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness = 702
Seven Zero Two = 187
[187]
Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye...A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About


GM: Atheist mischief making;
"The Alien Disc crop circle
Supernatural"

William: "The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural" = 377
[377]
Preparation is willingness to change
Something does not come from nothing.
The more the merrier - as the saying goes.
Ours the story shall we carry on


GM: I Know William
The Body of God
Put That Fire Out...
...Of this Message Generating Process.
Induce
Research into the Phenomenology of the Self

William: Of this Message Generating Process. Induce Research into the Phenomenology of the Self = 825
Eight Two Five =149
[149]
The meaning of life
Water the garden
Milky Mother
Sophistry
Querulous
Idiosyncratic
A temporary façade
Act the giddy goat
Illumination
Self-Reflection
Labyrinthus
Known/Revealed
Bond Wild freedom
That reminds me

GM:

William: From the link;
If Christianity isn’t true, why is it the LARGEST religion?
49,165 views Apr 28, 2018

HOW DID CHRISTIANITY grow to become the LARGEST religion? by Rabbi Michael Skobac, Education Director for Jews for Judaism.

JEWS FOR JUDAISM is an international organization dedicated to countering the multi-million dollar efforts of Christian missionary groups that target Jews, the impact of cults and eastern religions, and the growing rate of intermarriage that is devastating the Jewish community. JEWS FOR JUDAISM achieves its goal through FREE educational programs, materials and counseling services that connect Jewish people to the spiritual depth, beauty and wisdom of Judaism and keeps Jews Jewish.

GM: Equity
People Don't Like To Be Judged
Now isn't the time for tears
Grounding

William: From the link;
Very well.
(I see a message forming)
mWznQtR.png

Betterment...
Lost beings...
Surrender...
Unnatural...
Look inward...
Naked truth...
Inner Critic...
Epitomized...
Very well...

GM: "Superposition
Being aware of Human Control Dramas"

William: Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas = 512
Five One Two = 134
[134]
The human brain
The game of Chess
The tree of life
Information
Arms crossed
Breakthrough
Incorporate
The Digital Angel
Insignificant
Encounters
To Accomplish
Do a Word Search
One Nine Two
Homo Sapiens
The middle-class
Unprecedented
Real is better
Pollution
The Ghost Agenda
Five One Two

GM: A Pinch of Salt
"Longing
Trust
Persevere
Living in alignment"
William: Longing Trust Persevere Living in alignment = 480
The relationship between energy and information = 480

GM: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
The Freedom Of Friendship
We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Stuff Happens
What The Gods See
Rainstorm
The Sun
The Alphabet
Productive
This
Besides
Where are we getting our news from?
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
They is what they is.
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Courageous
The Vast UICDevice
Finishing What Was Started
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Transform
Fire
We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
Try Gateway
The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?
IQ
Burgeoning
Seductive
What we call the experience of reality
Shamanic
Failure Wish
Big Gaps In Logic
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.
LDG1tLC.png

Incantation
Spacetime is doomed
Sea
Unite humanity with a living new language
Transition
Living our forefather's conflict
GOD is not an elitist.
Virtues
Vehicle
Extreme
Higher Self Dream Guide
Love Heart
Raise your frequency
Bandages of The Beast
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Metamorphosis
The practice of vipassana
The Squeeze
Cease to exist
Final Destination
Science Projects
The Screen
Most folk need moderating.
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
08:47 [Secret Organizations]
 

William

Novice Mystic
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

Continued...
11:07 [Genetic information]

GM: "Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
The Freedom Of Friendship"

William: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] = 700
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities = 700

GM:We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Stuff Happens
What The Gods See
Rainstorm
The Sun
The Alphabet
https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-14193

William: From the link;
8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM:"Productive
This
Besides
Where are we getting our news from?"

William:Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from? = 612
Six One Two = 144
[144]
Textnum code
Inspiration
Real friendship
Rationality
Strange Desire
Expression
Astral Pulse
Serendipity
Ten Insights
Look Closely
Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
Multiverse
That's a good one
Up to scratch
Transponder [a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal.]
Six One Two


GM:Now We Are Getting Somewhere
They is what they is.
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Courageous
"The Vast UICDevice
Finishing What Was Started"

William:The Vast UICDevice Finishing What Was Started = 453
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Universal Intelligence Communications Device
It was at the time - still a work in progress.


GM:Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Transform
Fire
We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
[Try Gateway
"The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
IQ]

William: Try Gateway IQ = 171
When Done Say “Done”
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The human interface
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength


GM:Burgeoning [beginning to grow or increase rapidly; flourishing.]
"Seductive
What we call the experience of reality"

William:Seductive What we call the experience of reality = 464
"We need your unique and original perspective." = 464
"Consciousness" = "Zero", mathematically speaking. = 464

GM:Shamanic
Failure Wish
Big Gaps In Logic
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.
Image
Incantation
Spacetime is doomed
Sea
Unite humanity with a living new language
Transition
Living our forefather's conflict
GOD is not an elitist.
Virtues
Vehicle
Extreme

William: Virtues Vehicle Extreme = 268
How to Bruise a Ghost Plan = 268

GM:"Higher Self Dream Guide
Love Heart
Raise your frequency"

William: Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency = 535
Not in it’s wholeness – but certainly in its parts… = 535

GM:Bandages of The Beast
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
"Metamorphosis
The practice of vipassana"

William: Metamorphosis The practice of vipassana = 402
[402]
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
Instructions on what to do with data

Vipassana is an ancient mindfulness meditation technique. It involves observing your thoughts and emotions as they are, without judging or dwelling on them.

GM:The Squeeze
Cease to exist
Final Destination
"Science Projects
The Screen"
Most folk need moderating.
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.

William:Science Projects The Screen = 261
Universal Belief System = 261

11:53 [Interesting data
Centre of learning
The Healing Power
"Supernatural"
Enflame Emotions
Science of Truth
Tetragrammaton
Self-compassion
It is what it is
Personal freedom
One Eighty Two]
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
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Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

William: My point was that we as humans don't know. My argument isn't irrational when taken in context. I explained that in my post. I did not say that we were humans before humans existed. I was simply saying that we may have created the whole thing in order to then play in it. That is why I wrote;
...through such theories as emergence and by discarding the notion that we exist within a creation which [as another type of Consciousness] we ourselves could have created for purpose, as a complex simulation we could then enter into and experience as a reality and shape the raw materials accordingly.
The problem with mine-quoting is that when one does this - quoting the other out of context - one then argues against something other than what was actually stated, as you are doing. This is what is referred to as creating a straw man.

Diogenes: I honestly do not understand your complaint. You wrote:

I don't see that the implication is that the universe was designed for 'us' as in 'human beings' but rather, for Consciousness to experience the universe through a huge variety of forms, which the universe provides.

We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose. It remains an unknown but considering we are the only known specie of our type [human] and we have progressed through various epochs - all of which could be seen to be fine-tuning us in relation to the universe we are experiencing and - through science - we are slowly understanding and adapting.

Diogenes: Whether or not you actually meant what you wrote, "We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose," or whether you meant consciousness in general, I see little difference. When something is "an unknown" why posit a god or other magical source and assume 'purpose'?

A central problem with the 'fine tuned universe' argument is its inherent assumption of a designer. This is the same assumption underlying the notion that there must be a purpose or 'meaning' to the universe. When one assumes the universe has meaning or purpose, one has already assumed there is a god behind it all.

William: It has not been established that consciousness [of any sort] has to be regarded as 'supernatural' or 'magic' and the like.

Until it is established either way, The Subject remains on the table of discussion re The Question, "Do we exist within a creation?"
"Assumption of a designer" is equal to "assumption of no designer" re The Question and possible answers. One is on the table, so naturally, the other too.

Diogenes: Tho' the exact mechanism remains a mystery it is easily explained in general by the 100 billion or more neurons in the human brain and the 100 trillion or more synaptic connections.

William: Your focus is on the human brain alone. It has not been established that consciousness only resides in and works through the human brain.

Nor did your post address my own.

I am forced to assume the position of "we don't know either way" re The Question "Do we exist within a creation?", rather than assume one way or the other, thus - from my position, The Subject remains on the table.

Diogenes: Right. I suppose you are free to think it comes from the feet, the heart or the stomach... or from some magical unknown 'god.' Whatever mystical mumbo jumbo you want to suppose, but I am tired of trying to use logic and science to explain things to you, or to address your irrelevant questions.
____________________

080822
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...

SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect. - Large Elemental Powers - Temporary - Always Extraterrestrial - Betterment - We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it. - Here-and-now - Pyramid - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1075874#p1075874 -

From the link;
Indeed - The Book tells us exactly who is YHWH and what we are in relation to that.

The mystery is in how each personality responds to that - as to whether they serve the Dark side of YHWH or the Light side of YHWH or relinquish the right to either side of YHWH by accepting the whole of YHWH.

AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1080217#p1080217
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
[Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind = 583]

[583]
The formless tone of equality; the bypass of limitation

William: From the link;
Rose: Why would anyone wish to do that?

Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.

Or is it idle curiosity without reason? Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.

To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.

The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice. Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process. We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?

William: "Contacting The Dead" - "Communication with the dead"
The pattern seems to be -
1: The Ancients were not aware at first that when one dies, that is the end of oneself. Thus they believed that they could communicate with those who had died.
2: Since it appeared to be the case that the mediums were talking to something intelligent, it was determined that the only invisible intelligence one should commune with was GOD - specifically the God of the Israelites who happened to use mediums...called "Prophets".
3: Later, this idea developed into belief that when people died they stayed dead, therefore - [apart from GOD] any invisible intelligence was designated "demonic" unless it stated that it believed Jesus was GODs Medium.

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:24 [The Ghost is acknowledged]


GM: The evidence points to the universe as not being an accident of mindless happenstance, but rather, the universe is a purposeful mindful event.
"The Supernatural and the Bible
Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
Quantum"

William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting = 488
The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum = 488

GM: "Taking root
Looking After Poor People"

William: How do we get all of these GMs on the same page? = 396
Taking root Looking After Poor People = 396

GM: Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.]
"Astral
As busy as a bee"

William: Astral As busy as a bee = 191
[191]
The Nature of Angels
Cleaning Up The Mess
The devil you say
Getting off the hook
The One We Cannot See
Living in Alignment
Getting unstuck
Personal growth
A Game Rule was broken
...next level stuff...
Astral As busy as a bee


GM:

William: Death Is Not the End = 171
[171]
When Done Say “Done”
Suppression
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The human interface
Three-dimensional
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength
Try Gateway IQ
Death Is Not the End

GM: All The Same
The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
The ride is wild
The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
The Mandela Effect
"Haha Joke We Win"
Elysian [paradise reserved for the heroes immortalized by the gods.]
Anunnaki
"Vortex
Television"
HUGxFkF.png


William: Vortex Television = 234
[234]
Try Different Methods
That’s the way I fire up
The hologram of deception
The Mainstream Program
The Ghost is acknowledged
The Mother is his Muse...
The Hounds of Judgement
Vortex Television

GM: "Yours
It is always a warm fuzzy"

William: Yours It is always a warm fuzzy = 396
[396]
How do we get all of these GMs on the same page?
Taking root Looking After Poor People
Yours It is always a warm fuzzy

I recently had this conversation;

From the link;
Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies :)

William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;

ekPvn1h.png


The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.

GM: If You Must Believe - Believe This:
Realise
Within Carry
Crafted
Don't Get Caught Up
*Wink*
A programmed reality that is not real
Integral Network
Thinking Allowed
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1079959#p1079959

William: From the Link;
Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

William: It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

GM: Brilliant
Overwhelming
I would say...
With
Free-spirit
A Great Answer!

William: From the link;
Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife
[3]
A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

GM: Pearl of wisdom

07:14 [The Nature of Reality]

JK&William: