Timothy: Jesus is recorded quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures, "“It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’” That would include the Hebrew Scriptures as well as Greek Scriptures.
William: Is every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth' contained in scripture?
Crickets: *Chirping*
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William: I think Christians have placed so much importance upon the bible - even going to the extent of referring to it as 'the word of God" and justifying this belief by citing Jesus citing someone else who wrote "Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the 'mouth of God'" yet clearly, citing something from a scroll is not saying that the scroll itself is this 'every word of God'.
This is why I asked the question, because - clearly it cannot be the case that any book or even any library of books or indeed, all the libraries of books could contain "every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth'" as this would imply that YHWH spoke all - folk somehow heard this and recorded it in what Christians refer to as their bible - ["The Word of God"] and has been mute ever since.
As grandiose as the claim is, it is still unsubstantiated religious balderdash and can be discarded as something having any relevance to truth.
To underpin that observation, if we take the Hebrew account of creation, we are informed that YHWH said 'let there be' - recorded as a type of shorthand by an author who does not seem to be privy to the details we now have because of scientific study into what is.
For example, [let there be] "Light".
In basic terms, "light" is that which allows us to see what darkness might hide from our awareness yet we know in todays age, so much more about the properties of light and if we are to presume that the one who created light knows everything to do with light, then we also know that to 'speak' that into existence would involve complexities beyond the simplicity of invoking light an 'hey presto' there it is!
So, since the bible does not tell us the complexities we can be sure that the bible does not contain every word ever spoken by YHWH, and that this belief is the result of folk wanting their holy book to be regarded as something far more than it actually - truthfully - is.
Words YHWH might speak, therefore, can be found elsewhere. Even in the very quintessence of the individual.
Even in the formation of these Generated Messages
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It is just one of those things.
Systematically suppressed
SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Mothers Milk - Leg Hold Traps - Becoming whole - Science & Spirituality - The Never Ending Story -
https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13/new-evidence-that-all-stars-are-born-in-pairs/ - Entities of Particular Belief Systems - Chaos Really Is Illusion - Handing out sweets... - Couldn’t we do something about it... - The Smallest Spark
RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
AP= The Ruru flies close over your head - Dysfunctional [not operating normally or properly. unable to deal adequately with normal social relations.]
William: "Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step" [Approaching the Divine
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GM: I Spy With My Eye
The Spirit of The Planet
Given
Be here now
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13770365&postcount=132
William: From the link;
Sceptic Agent: Again, there is nothing magical. All the steps to get from a very small object close to "time zero" to now are demonstrated to various degrees.
William: Have scientists shown it to be true that one can condense great amounts of matter into a small thing and then release that matter and watch it return to what it was before being condensed?
Because that is the theory we are expected to believe is true.
Demonstrating to "various degrees" does not a truth make.
Sceptic Agent: You're just here to keep repeating the lie that it is magical.
William: How can it be I am lying, when obviously the 'explanation' itself has all the ingredients of the magical expounded as some 'most likely' theory?
Your accusation is akin to my pointing out that a magician isn't using real magic only to be told by the magician that I am lying because it IS real magic.
But we know through experience that a magicians tricks simply appear to be magical because we don't know how it was done.
Since the same applies to the theory of a mystical object - just because we do not know how it was done, shouldn't give us reason to exclaim magic.
Sceptic Agent: And I doubt you can come up with an alternate explanation that actually explains things.
William: I already have done - it is simply a matter of explaining things without invoking any magical elements to such theory.
It cannot be the case that something so tiny as to almost not exist itself, has the capabilities to produce the universe, because that is magical thinking.
Therefore it must have to be that space existed in an undisturbed state, and something profoundly immense happened which caused a disturbance and subsequent formation of objects.
GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=403205#p403205
Illuminating
To Be Continued...
William: From the link;
TGA: Actually there is no cognitive dissonance. Since I am convinced that even if there is a creator deity, it has nothing to do with religion, there is not much at stake. It is something to muse about from time to time. But there is no practical consequence.
One additional reason I prefer the label agnostic to atheist is that there are certain atheists, not many but some, who like to think that there are only two sides to everything - fundamentalist religiosity or militant anti-religion. Not so far as I can see on this site, but it is definitely the case in some other places.
The "Five Proofs" of Aquinas for the existence of God did not lead to the Christian God. That part was to be taken on faith in divinely revealed knowledge, not reason. But from what we know today of the universe, rational non-faith arguments in favor of God lead away from the Christian God. Again, why I think religious and non-religious is a more useful division.
GM: One is not wrong
Shadow Volunteer
Fanciful
Dream Guides
Faster Than Light
Charge
Outposts of Form
Altruistic Behaviour
The Smallest Spark
The Ruru flies close over your head
I Will
Not a Problem!
"No thought about fate or of ending up late Yet I still like to think where I'm going"
Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
Measure
"I Think We Can Safely Say
I Suppose That It Is Possible"
Authenticity
Astral Guides
Significance
Group/Family
Look Closely
New Shifts In Thinking
"Get out of the way"
A very useful fiction
Believing in fearful imagery
Gods Gift
Odd
The Deeper Reality
"What I like about it, is that it gives one more scope in which to work within..."
Regarding
Tug Of War
Active Dreaming
16-20-12-09-03-11-08
Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
"From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change."
Google
"Observing Without Judgement"
William: “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence” – Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti.
and
Q: What does it mean to observe without Judgement?
A: Become the observer of your judgements. Notice when you are judging yourself and others. Notice things without making a judgement of those things. Notice people without making a judgment of them.
GM: Beyond Focus 4
William:
7) Beyond Focus 4: Other systems
I have been asked several times if there is anything 'beyond' Focus 4. The answer is, to my knowledge, within our particular system there are just 4 Primary areas. But consciousness doesn't end there. Consciousness is infinite. There may well be an infinite number of other systems either like ours or perhaps wildly different. Nobody to my knowledge knows anything about these potential other systems.
Monroe talks of 'Focus 34/35', but as I have said earlier, I believe that Monroe was experiencing something else. I believe his F35 experiences were actually relating to areas of our Wider Physical, where alternate physical dimensions (within our F1 to F4 system) seem to converge. Ha ha, no wonder I couldn't find it!
The interesting aspect about these other physical worlds within our system and the weird thing about them, is that they all occupy the same physical space. The actual characteristics of the different physical dimensions within our system can be wildly different but they all have this one thing in common, in that they occupy the same space. Anyhow, what 'separates' them, if you like, are these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness that allows each physical universe to overlay on one another.
Now, I have it on good authority that it IS possible to 'travel' between Trans-Dimensional areas; when I say travel I mean actual physical travel. It is also possible to do this non-physically as well, so I am told. So my theory is that these UFO sightings might in fact be a kind of 'bleed through' from another Trans-Dimensional area: an area that has people living within it who have already learned how to design some kind of craft with the ability to travel between physical dimensions.
Anyway, back to the potential for other systems outside of our own F1 to F4 model:
From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes. He was way out, but not in Focus 4 terms. There was something else. Seriously, I reckon he was about to attempt to step into *another* system of consciousness from Focus 3: entering into an 'Extra-Dimensional' state that is outside of our F1 to F4 system completely: that is what I have been trying to study for ages, the possibility of these Extra-Dimensional areas. I reckon that is why his physical was put at risk. Okay, I’m guessing now, I admit, but I am going to completely retrace his footsteps in the future.
If he were trying to enter another dimension totally, i.e. another system, then that is just incredible. That is not Focus 3, 4 or 5, that is just completely into the unknown...and I mean total unknown. Unless he was attempting to enter Focus 4 while holding a complete objective knowing of that fact. That would just be crazy. You’d just be short-circuiting every subjective energy circuit that ever was. I doubt anyone could have the objective will to do that; just too many natural laws against you.
I just wonder what on earth he found and what secrets there are still to be unlocked from Monroe. I’m going to begin again from page one and work through it until that final piece of the jigsaw falls into place. ~Frank Kepple Resource
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GM: It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
Builder:
"Well Its A Start"
Metamorphosis
From Prison To Paradise
It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
"Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time As I step into the great unknown"
"Yes We Can"
Remember who you are
Source Codes
The Third Eye
William: From the link;
Neruda Interview Five
Fearlessness
It is just one of those things.
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Hint
Intelligent
A Clean Channel
When Done Say "Done"
William: This link came up yesterday as well...where Dr. Neruda is speaking to Sarah;
Dr. Neruda: “Whatever it is, it’s important to know what’s behind the deception… to look with sober eyes on the truth. It may not be a beautiful picture to be sure, but how else do you realize your own truth until you know the truth of the big picture? So, however screwed up it seems, it is an inception point for the individual to redefine themselves.
“Would you rather stay in the illusion of a soul in a human body that will be saved by God and ascend into heaven and hang out with angels who strum harps? That whole idea is repulsive once you know this. That picture is based on separation and selfishness and lack of empathy and understanding. Or, you can simply say it’s all a big illusion, including the notion that we are infinite beings, and that when you die, you’re done.
“The part of this new picture that is promising is that we exist infinitely despite the fact that we have been suppressed and enslaved. We also can play a role in supporting this redefinition of the human being through our thoughts and behaviors. And, maybe most importantly, we have the WingMakers—our future selves—providing us with evidence that I AM WE ARE prevailed.
GM: Mutual Dutiful Expression
Thinking Allowed
Thoughts
Self-compassion
Use Heart
Vortex
Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
Map Carvers
Equal System
What Do You Like About It?
The rich world of conscious experience
Okay Afterwards
Fires
You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever.
A cultural touchstone
Christendom:
"Well That Settles It"
"Make"
Is a Constant
Working with the simulation
Experiences.
Plan
Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...
Gratitude
Choose What to Pay Attention To
We Exist Infinitely
"Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?"
...Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex...
Without Judgement
The Generated Messages
In Out and All About
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
The Roles
Connections
Golden nugget
Pineal Gland
Cats Whiskers.
Secure
Look inward
Evolutionary Game Theory
Coherence
Blend
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Optimum Health Appreciating
Access
Point of Contact
It is obviously in line with providence...
Entity
"It is a tough ask"
"That's the way I fire up"
Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
William: From the link;
William: What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.
Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.
GM: What Is The Point?
"Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. "
I am not here to judge but to help
Personal growth
Equals
"Annoy
Audience"
Contemplation
On and off
Gift
No Doubt about It
'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't.
Radiant
Minor Arcana [9 of Wands]
William: 9 of wands tarot meaning;
Resilience, courage, persistence, test of faith, boundaries
The Nine of Wands shows an injured man, clutching a wand. He looks over his shoulder towards the eight wands that loom over him. He seems weary and worn, as though he has already been through a battle and now must face additional challenges with the presence of these eight wands. As a Nine, though, this is his final challenge before reaching his goal; he must endure this last test of his strength and character before reaching the finish line.
GM: The Overlords [Childhoods End]
William:
Earth and the Overlords
In the late 20th century, the United States and the Soviet Union are competing to launch the first spacecraft into orbit, for military purposes. When vast alien spaceships suddenly position themselves above Earth's principal cities, the space race ceases. After one week, the aliens announce they are assuming supervision of international affairs, to prevent humanity's extinction.
They become known as the Overlords. In general, they let humans go on conducting their affairs in their own way. They overtly interfere only twice: in South Africa, where, some time before their arrival, apartheid has collapsed and been replaced with aggressive persecution of the white minority; and in Spain, where they put an end to bull fighting. Some humans are suspicious of the Overlords' benign intent, as they never visibly appear. The Overlord Karellen, the "Supervisor for Earth," who speaks directly (behind a one-way glass viewscreen) only to Rikki Stormgren, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, tells Stormgren that the Overlords will reveal themselves in 50 years, when humanity will have become used to their presence.
Stormgren smuggles a device onto Karellen's ship in an attempt to see Karellen's true form. He partially succeeds, is shocked by what he sees, and chooses to keep silent. Five decades after their arrival, the Overlords finally reveal their appearance: large bipeds that resemble the traditional Christian folk images of demons, with cloven hooves, leathery wings, horns, and barbed tails.
GM: Sovereignty
“It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
Reflection
Soul Groups
Wish
"Every Conceivable Detail
Mindful
Universal Intelligence"
Duality.
"Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With"
(We Can Do Magic!)
Science and Spirituality
Etymology [the history of a word or phrase shown by tracing its development and relationships
Common Ground
Sola Scriptura [by scripture alone, is a Christian theological doctrine held by most Protestant Christian denominations, in particular the Lutheran and Reformed traditions of Protestantism, that posits the Bible as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.]
Dysfunctional
Far-Flung
Sharing is part of that process
Inspection
Think In Terms Of...
Development/Growth
The Things You Do...
Important
The Future Creates the Present
One is not wrong
Unfolding Status Quo
All The World
Behind The Scenery
"The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
The Law of Attraction"
Falling asleep
Release shame
Avatar
"Ugliest
EQ"
From First Principles
Incarnation
What Are The Chances
Tempting Vision
Contemplative
Smart Phone
Knowledge Required to Resolve Uncertainty
Okay…
"Dragons"
Central Intelligence Agency
Virtues
Dare greatly
"I think therefore I am, therefore who am I?"
In the Mind
Dream work
All That We Are.
Group Dynamics
Gentle
Illuminate
Be real
The Human Brain
Superior Credibility
Higher Self Dream Guide
The Overarching
Pulse
Small
Holy Matrimony
Hidden Treasure
Training the mind
Communication Techniques
Your World F2+F4
Untrue
See-Through
Incendiary [(of a device or attack) designed to cause fires. tending to stir up conflict.]
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views. [having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way.]
Other Ways of Using Your Lists
Witch Woman of The Cat Realm
Construction
Selfish Attitude
Present over perfect
Consensual
Tetrahedron
Cyborg Anthropology
Gnosticism
Around The Campfire
The Nature of This Place
William: From the link;
William: It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists .
Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in.
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
GM: Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
Walk
A cultural touchstone
Self-acceptance
Fearless
And
Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
The way of knowledge
Morality filters are created through…?
"Smarter Than The Average
Coincidence
Making Steady Progress"
William: Yes - given the evidence I would agree with that assessment.
GM: "Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step" [Approaching the Divine]
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