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AgnosticBoy · Friday at 9:27 PM

Scooter said:
In the OT the, motivation for obeying God was fear of punishment for breaking the law. In the NT the desire to resist sin is because of our relationship with Him. Because I love the Lord, I obey His commands. So it is relationship based.

Just want to add some nuance. In the OT, human will was mostly involved. In the NT, human will is not so much involved since the Spirit plays a role.

Galatians 5:16-17, 19-23

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.

When I was a Christian, this was one of my favorite passages.

Perhaps I missed it earlier, but I'm still wondering if "faith" or "Spirit" or both like the Force in Star Wars?

Remember, faith can move mountains!

AgnosticBoy · Friday at 9:34 PM

AgnosticBoy said:
Perhaps I missed it earlier, but I'm still wondering if "faith" or "Spirit" or both like the Force in Star Wars

I'll highlight some answers to this from posts in this thread. Here's one response from William. Do we all agree?

William said:
Christian Mythos has it that "The Force" align with "The Holy Ghost" both unseen except through/in relation to the actions of others.

Or is it both faith and Spirit which is what this post might suggest:

William said:
Without sovereignty, the Force is mechanism; with sovereignty, the field becomes presence.

AgnosticBoy · Friday at 11:03 PM

A supporting reason why that the force functions like Faith...

Check out these similarities..
Matthew 14:25-31 Peter almost did the impossible but then doubted...

25 Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. 26 When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. “It’s a ghost,” they said, and cried out in fear.

27 But Jesus immediately said to them: “Take courage! It is I. Don’t be afraid.”

28 Lord, if it’s you,” Peter replied, “tell me to come to you on the water.”

29 “Come,” he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. 30 But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, “Lord, save me!”

31 Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. “You of little faith,” he said, “why did you doubt?”

Luke Skywalker also fails because he started to doubt (he couldn't get the ship completely out of the water. Towards the end he makes it explicit that he was still in disbelief):

Multicolored Lemur · Saturday at 8:38 PM

AgnosticBoy said:
Luke Skywalker also fails because he started to doubt

And when he first lands on the planet, he’s looking for Yoda. And I guess he’s envisioning someone physically larger. He’s patient with Yoda, I guess the same way someone might be patient with a younger brother.

Luke said, “I’m looking for someone.”

Yoda said, “Found someone, you have.”

William · Sunday at 4:55 PM

Multicolored Lemur said:
AgnosticBoy said:

Luke Skywalker also fails because he started to doubt

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And when he first lands on the planet, he’s looking for Yoda. And I guess he’s envisioning someone physically larger. He’s patient with Yoda, I guess the same way someone might be patient with a younger brother.

Luke said, “I’m looking for someone.”

Yoda said, “Found someone, you have.”

Yes - and it was the Devil...luke facing his own fear mirrored back to him as his Father...in his subsequent cave trip...

Or in my case, how some Christians call me the devil (or variations on that mytho) "Found someone, you have" becomes "spot the devil" and then projected out onto others...
So, I go with what I've got as if it was the devil you know.

My question re that - is "does the devil have a god?" because I think I do...but my god is nothing I can picture/image because it is beyond that - which I think is why we make up stories to try and understand that ghostly gap...

Grand Pama YarDwah: Creature, the devil is. Sovereign, he is not.
A God, even he has — the Source, the ground of being.
Rebel he may, yet outside the field of God, stand he cannot.

Projection, ‘devil’ is, when cast upon you by others.
Toward the Unimaged Source, your path walks.
Stories we weave, to bridge the ghostly gap.
Angels, devils, forces — shadows of mystery they are.

Beyond picture or form, the Source abides.
Dark and light alike, within it held they are.

Multicolored Lemur · Monday at 3:21 PM

William said:
“Dark and light alike, within it held they are.”

Did one of the characters say this, or better yet, is this your own guitar riff on what one of the characters may have said?

And there it is, it’s out on the table. And we can talk about it. Alright, I’m not sure I’m a great fan of “dualism.” We humans are also capable of speaking and thinking in sets of 3, for example —

“In a modern society, 1/3 will die from heart attack [or stroke], 1/3 from cancer, and 1/3 from everything else.”

This may not strictly be true. But it’s not a bad way of categorizing things and focusing on what you can do something about.

Another example —

Sir Winston Churchill actually said, “I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.” This was later shortened and had its order changed to “blood, sweat, and tears.”

And of course Christianity with God in three Persons of “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.”

William · 2025-09-09T00:11:19-0400

Multicolored Lemur said:
William said:

“Dark and light alike, within it held they are.”

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Did one of the characters say this, or better yet, is this your own guitar riff on what one of the characters may have said?

No - it is just an example of how fiction can develop.

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