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GM: Ars Notoria
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
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[World's smartest person wrote this one mysterious book] www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNYK7rnXi9g
Alike as two peas in a pod
Golden nugget
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Hyper Complex
From The Source - Said Another Way
"Put the Teachings Into Practice"
GM: The Hologram of Deception
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Taking root
Paradise
The Spirit of The Earth
Thinking Allowed
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
Perpetual Creative Conscious Intelligence
[Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber] [RTS=10:55] www.youtube.com/watch?v=GldRtyEqPt8
GM: Counteracted
The Clutter Of Comparison
Technique of Exchange
The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Once Upon a Time
Central To The Vision
[The Truth Illusion | Al Jazeera Investigations] [RTS=32:18] www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0URbems8M
ET and the notion of GODs
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
What the seed holds
First Light
Like a doting parent
How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
Arms Crossed The Solar System
The Generated Messages
"Pixie Farts create Pixel parts"
Discipline
Leave a Trail
Sort It Out
GM: Ars Notoria
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
The problem of evil - Debating Christianity and Religion
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Re: The problem of evil
[Replying to Miles in post #2]
Don't know where you got your quote from...
Thanks for the heads up - I edited OP by adding source link.
5. Evil exists.
This is what the OPQ is asking. Is the statement "Evil exists" one of fact or conjecture?
iow - is "evil" an objective reality or a subjective conjecture?
Biblical stories of the God viewing human behavior as being ["evil"?] would support that such behavior can be observed objectively and thus "5. Evil exists." would be true.
But as we all know, 'evil' is spawned through moralistic principles which folk have difficulty in agreeing to when moralism is thought of as opinion-based...
Of course the problem only exists for those who claim the character of god, as stated above, is true, in light of reality.
Which is to say what, re those who do not claim such? That those ones believe evil does not exist? Something else?
Re that, what of the question of GOD? Does removing characterizations re GOD, remove the possibility that GOD exists?
GM:
Alike as two peas in a pod
Golden nugget
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Hyper Complex
From The Source - Said Another Way
"Put the Teachings Into Practice"
From The Source - Said Another Way "Put the Teachings Into Practice" = 638
The external cannot be known as acutely as the internal can be known = 638
ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED - THE SPIRITUAL REASON WHY - Page 6 - Debating Christianity and Religion
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Re: ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED - THE SPIRITUAL REASON WHY
On the assumption that we exist within a creation, then I would argue that a Creator-GOD did intend for us to experience as real, this Created Universe.
If the mortal experience is interpreted by any experiencing it to be a trial and a test of some sort, this may not signify any truth in the interpretation as the individuals response to the experience may be a mis-interpretation of what is going on.
What I could agree to is that this would have been one of the known responses of the Creator-God if that entity did indeed posses the attributes you stipulate with your question.
Mortality appears to be part of that plan. Experiencing what it is like to die. [Death].
I note the above, because people are not only born, and then experience this universe through that process [live], and respond to the experience [living] in whatever fashion they chose to respond, but also experience dying and death - something which signifies the end of the experience for the individual who dies.
Born. Live the experience. Die.
Therefore;
I can accept that morality was part of that creator-gods plan
GM: The Hologram of Deception
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Taking root
Paradise
How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant? - Page 107 - Debating Christianity and Religion
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GM: Dualic EnergiesRe: How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?
I am of the persuasion that what is written was taken from much older sources which were themselves fireside stories told to entertain and instruct and give insight and inspiration through analogy and by the time they were placed into written form, the stories themselves had come to be believed to be true accounts of historical significance, mixed in with actual true accounts of cultural heritage, to become almost indistinguishable from actually.
The Spirit of The Earth
Thinking Allowed
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
Perpetual Creative Conscious Intelligence
CBD qualities - evidence matters
GM: Counteracted
The Clutter Of Comparison
Technique of Exchange
The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Generating Messages - Page 36 - Debating Christianity and Religion
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GM: ♬Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me♬Q: Why did YHWH create a biological creature which was going to die eventually?
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God did not create humans to die eventually.But being omniscient, before he created A&E god knew they and all their descendants would eventually die. So, in a very real sense god did create humans to die eventually.
This has to be the correct way to understand the story, as the story is presented.
Once Upon a Time
Central To The Vision
International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin
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GM:Therefore it accomplishes nothing, and has no possible purpose. (Kind of like a similar problem with a hypothetical creator god who is omniscient, and therefore cannot learn anything or experience anything new, and thus has no reason to actually create anything.Exactly - except that being omniscient would be the very reason WHY the creation of the Physical Universe was engineered - as a means to escape the omniscient condition.
And observing said Physical Universe, we can understand that it would be a great thing for that exact purpose.
A physical manifestation of a mental projection...the same would apply to the "many eternal universe theory" which J. Richard Gott explains...only with variety...and timelessness [since these are eternal - go on forever even that they all have beginnings...which would be a better way to do it if one would never have to suffer from omniscience again...always having something new to learn...
GM: Event String UnfoldingThe term "Conspiracy Theory" is an interesting term because it was a term that was originally popularized by the CIA in order to discredit people who were saying that the Warren Commission, which was the commission that had investigated my uncles assassination, were crazy and that they shouldn't be paid attention to.
Robert F. Kennedy Jnr
ET and the notion of GODs
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
What the seed holds
First Light
Like a doting parent
How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
Arms Crossed The Solar System
The Generated Messages
Are Religious Beliefs Delusional? - Page 2 - Debating Christianity and Religion
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GM: Burgeoning[Replying to Diogenes in post #15]
I gave an example of what obviously appears to be a delusional belief, by every definition, but for the 'religion' exception:
Doesn't the belief that Muhammad rode a winged horse to Jerusalem, through seven heavens, hell, and paradise, into the presence of God, and back to Earth, appear delusional to anyone not Muslim?
To which I receive the question from William,Why would you think that?I am momentarily speechless. Who, besides maybe a Muslim, could possibly consider a man riding a mythical winged animal up to 'heaven,' then to six more 'heavens,' then to Hell, and back to Paradise, and finally to Earth anything but a delusional belief, but for the 'religion' exemption? If the Islamic claim does not appear absurd on its face, no amount of "man 'splaining" will be sufficient.
It's even more silly than fiery chariots going to heaven, talking snakes and Noah's mythical boat.
Why would you think that the one is 'more silly' than the others?
Also;
Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
The question appears to be a loaded one as it steers toward one of two conclusions.
1: Yes, religious beliefs are delusional [with supporting evidence]
2: No, religious beliefs are not delusional. [also with supporting evidence]
The better question has to be:
Q: Are All Religious Beliefs Delusional?
and with that, one can analyze the data without the leading bias interfering with the results...
re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.
For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.
This is what religious mythology consists of, and as such, it is best not to take these as literal imagery but to understand these as approximations and utterances which are unable to describe
with any type of accuracy, using what device is available for them to convey experience.
When understood in this way, any alternate experience of such nature [not just religious-based ones] is limited [to being accurately explained] by the current devices used to convey explanations of experience.
Thus the OPQ - while focused upon the religious mythologies of individual experiences, can be asked of every alternate experience ever reported.
The answer to the OPQ would therefore, have to be "we currently do not have enough information to make a call on it".
Any literal beliefs in mythological imagery could be considered delusional.
For example, the teller of the experience might say something like "the best I can describe the manner in which I moved through layers of my experience was that it was similar to riding a horse or chariot, but there was no actual horse or chariot".
The listeners might conveniently forget that part of the tellers story, in subsequent retellings of it.
Contrary to that, the teller of the story might not explain that he/she is using analogy and simply declare "the manner in which I moved through layers of my experience was that I rode chariot" in which case it would not be a matter of delusion but rather a matter of veering away from the truth through deliberately misinforming the listeners through omittance.
"Pixie Farts create Pixel parts"
Discipline
Leave a Trail
Sort It Out