William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

*APPAREL*

Creator Syndrome Influence
Galaxy
Positivity

William: Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity = 516
[516]
“Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency
Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye
Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind
Creator Syndrome Influence Galaxy Positivity
Simple interactions between elementary particles

GM:The Wholeness Navigator
Unfolding Nicely
AUM

William: Absolute Unbounded Manifold [Tom Campbell TOE]
The Absolute Unbounded Manifold (AUM) goes by many alternate names, such as All That Is, Source, The One Consciousness, etc. depending upon the context that is being emphasized.
Absolute Unbounded Manifold = 269
[269]
Don’t give up Contact With
Absolute Unbounded Manifold
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
This Translates To That.
Random coincidence? I think not.
There is a lot to unpack here
Successful replications
Unconscious mind inertia

GM:
Understanding that the individuate position most humans are born to experience, the underlying motivation is intentionally selfish because recognition of the importance of the self becomes the initial propellent for all subsequent actions employed.
Failure
When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become nontheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to nontheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

Delightful
Un-thought-unately
Any Other Way
Growing Pains
Labyrinthus
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"Apparel"
Lift
Contact
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
How A Beautiful Song Source Reality Exhibits
Innocent Even
Sound holographically organized to make things look real
Visible
All The Same
Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
The Human Being
Quest
Start where you are
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
Fugacious [fleeting.]
Making Up Stories
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.

What Are The Chances
"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
Loving-kindness
The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
YHVH also lets slip that he apparently isn't as all-knowing as humans make him out to be as he hears things through the grapevine and if they grab his interest, he takes a closer look.
William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
This Translates To That.
We Can Do Magic!
Vulnerability
"Apparel"
Process
The Power of Prayer
Joining The Main Egregore
Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
Enflame Emotions
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate!
The Spirit of The Land
Near Death Experience
Points of Reference
{I Tried Lucid Dreaming for 30 Days and My Life Will Never Be The Same] [RTS=11:06...]

William: Lucid Dreaming = A simulation with a simulation?

GM:Super Power
Precipitate
Personal growth
“It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide
William's Commitment With
Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born

William: The synchronicities/serendipities are there so why not study them?

GM:What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?
Roller Coaster Ride
"Apparel"
Extra Sensory Perception
Looking into the science of Astral Projection
Tug Of War
"Big" and "small" simply cease to exist....
Individuals
Let the facts speak for themselves
I am always open to being shown any evidence which supports that Idea
Persevere
Listen
Whole-hearted
Gnosticism
Pure soul
Control
Lurking Like Shadows
And That's Not All
Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...
Pineal Gland
The Earth Entity
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1079953#p1079953
What you see is what you get.

May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You

The Connection Process
What Meets The Eye
Something you cannot change
"Apparel"
Sovereign
Pirates
Sleep Paralysis
Mantra "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
[Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] [RTS 2:50...] [having a myopic [Short Sighted] view of what one's "self" is]
Unnecessary Tangent
The nature of understanding
Hyper-normalisation
Syncretism [the amalgamation or attempted amalgamation of different religions, cultures, or schools of thought. the merging of different inflectional varieties of a word during the development of a language.]
Learned

Embracing the shadow
Beautiful Precipitate
Duel
It is all making sense
The Patupaiarehe

William: As in what I wrote today; {SOURCE}
Theist: The universe isn't self-explanatory. Any material explanation invoked to account for the universe's existence will be part of the universe itself, which will make the materialistic explanation a circular argument. Therefore, it isn't unreasonable to posit the existence of an agency beyond the material universe.

Nontheist: To the bold, I have done just that.
Fairy farts explain the creation of our universe quite nicely. Even explains all the gas!

Now why would a god of sorts be a preferable explanation when compared to a fairy fart?

William: I have discussed your explanation with
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And they assure me that they are just as much a part of this universe as the rest of us, so it was NOT them what caused the Universe to be the gaseous, solid thing that it is...

Nor was it the hippopotamus...
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The mystery thickens/deepens.

GM:Separation
"Apparel"
Victim Vamp Energy Systems
Adds Up To
"It takes billions of years to perfect perfection"
Consciousness Incarnates
Remember/Memories

All Information Is Channelled.
At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
That is Correct
Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in...

"Apparel"
Behind The Scenery
We Exist Infinitely

Enlightenment
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers Extra evidence is provided
"Apparel"
Never a dull moment
'Test The Waters'
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
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Pyramid
Visionary
Team
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Those are two different things which ought not be confused.
Now isn't the time for tears
The Fine-Tuning argument
Live With
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
William: What I think about consciousness in relation reality
Long Story Short Hell
Awareness
Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy

1156
[Investigative]
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
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Te Waipounamu
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[576]
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Acknowledging the evidence is where the tributaries converge
Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now


*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing* = 576

041022 [Let the facts speak for themselves] [338]



SCLx14 + select last LE per shuffle

[Preamble]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1076090#p1076090 - Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer? - Letting Go and Getting On - Prometheus - Go - Disclosure of Knowledge - First Light - Righty Oh! - Our Neutral Ground Making friends with your mind - Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos - https://theagnosticforum.com/threads/do-objective-morals-exists.84/post-756 - The Spirit of the Land - From the link - Putting yourself back together again

AP= [Can You Answer This?
] [Marilyn vos Savant] [RTS=10:04]

William: I am doing the best I can in the moment...

[Can You Answer This? https://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-7Ydt4d3A = 638]
[The external cannot be known as acutely as the internal can be known = 638]

RSP = SCLx + *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing* + P&P + Quote Page 576

10:17 [Quantum Jumping]

Page 576
GM:
Centre of Learning
Your Connection With
Tempting Vision
Word-String
I love you Like Every Seed That Followed
Yellow Light
The Crabwood Cropcircle
The Never Ending Story
Nomenclature
Tabula Rasa
Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""
Encouraging Indication
Under the watchful eye
Conjunction
On the off-chance
Near Death Experience
For The Purpose Of
Zero In On It
Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always
The beauty of imperfection
Have One For Me
Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
Feel Be Still.
Transforming
Power of Silence
The Way We Feel Unification
Miraculous
Animistic
Giving birth
Evaluate.
Brahman
Good Here There Evil
A safe pair of hands
Self-confidence Core
Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that's in all of us. Stuff Happens
Regimented
Of The Human Being
Reaction
Little Self
Sharing Your Love Without Comparison

*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*

GM:
Without and Within
The Father - in The Mother.
But anyway, I know from personal experience that jumping outside the system (which is basically the idea of the 'forsake' stuff) does work, and does lead one to some amazing insights etc, but the idea was never for GOD to provide manna from heaven or some safe haven where the 'man' couldn't touch you. The idea was, that given enough people willing to share whatever they had without cost and for the sake of something better which could be achieved through that, the 'man' would lose all power and influence over the majority and the world would move in a completely different trajectory than it did.
Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.

William: I've traveled on these southern roads they've taken me to many...answers to my questions...

GM: The Clear Eye Of Soul
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
Timeless
Smarter
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Astrobiology [the branch of biology concerned with the study of life on earth and in space.]
*Nods*
Manipulation
The power of humility
Illuminating
Alive
Wide
Of The Human Being
Loyalty
The beauty of imperfection
Lojong [The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
The lookout/screamout guy
The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD
William: From my own experience and perspective on that, my understanding of the idea of GOD developed alongside my intellect and with this, the ability to comprehend and appreciate a more fuller, wider, deeper overall picture of what is most likely going on in relation to that.

When as a child, GOD for me just seemed to be someone that existed but to whom I had no particular connection or disconnection.
I was not indifferent, just accepting in an attitude of presumption and matter-of-factness.

When I converted through the repentance process (around 17 ½ years of age) it was from that moment on when I experienced 'strange' things, out of the ordinary - (and although I had no knowledge of such at the time) related to OOBE experiences.

So in relation to that, I was coming to the 'Father' through the 'Son' or to say that another way, the Idea of GOD as a 'Father' was made available to my understanding through the Son.
GM:Assigned
The Physical Universe
In The Team Of The Collective
Limitations or Liberations
Carrier Identity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyJb5DrhzsI [How Did Humans Become Earth's Dominant Species?][RTS=7:54]
Gateway Luminous
“I love your inspiring work. Keep that up, please.”
Optimum Health Appreciating

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj7HH0PCqIE [Harnessing The Power Of Information][RTS=7:39]
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
What Shall We Call It?
Raphael ~
Dreamer
The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing
Advantage
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
What can I say, except "Thank You"
Runestone Symbol

William: Raidho
Raidho is indicative of a journey and represents a wheel. This could be both physical travel, as in a holiday or house move, or a spiritual voyage in the expansion of your horizons. It can also indicate things being put into perspective, evolution and the cycle of life.
KEYWORDS: Progress, movement, evolution, perspective, journey, travel


GM: The Astral Body
Ocean
Shaman
Balance of power

ARAB-ISRAELI MILITARY BALANCE of the present balance of power and this will slow our effort to develop sound conclusions about the balance ... CIA-RDP80M01133A000800070004-0 The Arab-Israeli Balance of Power in the id-19"Os Purpose and scone. a. This estimate ... in thE' interim.,b. The Arab-Israeli balance of power by the end of' the ten-year period will depend ...
THE SHIFTING IMAGE OF THE EAST-WEST BALANCE OF POWER SUMMARY
OF THE EAST-NEST BALANCE OF POWER SUMMARY A factor of potentially great significance in the East-West power ... important people now view the world balance of power as having shifted in favor of the USSR; they no longer ... the power balance actually shifts or not, the world's image of it may do as much to create an imbalance ...
et al

Important
Journey Communication is key Connect

William: Important Journey = 234
[234]
Vortex Television
The Mainstream Program
The Hounds of Judgement
The Ghost is acknowledged
The Mother is his Muse...
The hologram of deception
That’s the way I fire up
Important Journey
Try Different Methods

GM: A Bit Of Both Yes

10:57 [The Last Question]

More To Follow...
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
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Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[Replying to William in post #370]

051022 [You are The Old Soul Cosmic Self]

Encounter
“The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.”
One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Signals
Mind is Ghost
zn+1 = zn2 + c
Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Theist: do you believe the universe is deterministic or not? Can I get a straight answer?

William: My position [Natural/Neutral.] prevents me from forming beliefs on any subject.
I lean toward the realization that the universe is deterministic, rather than is an accident.

Free Choice Ends Here
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Putting My Finger On It
DREAMS ARE FREE
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Whole-hearted
Original
Darkest Darkness
No point in giving you too much to bear
Evidential
Mind-Filters
What Is Found Here Always Vigilant
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Energy
Science and Spirituality
Even
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
Intent
The Nature of This Place

Called To Order
The Whole
Sophophilic [a person who loves to gather knowledge with higher emphasis on wisdom.]
Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
Active Galactic Nucleus
Overwhelming I would say... With Free-spirit a Brilliant Great Answer!
Hope in the Fog
Incendiary
Become more expansive
Truth
When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror.
Do you believe astrology works
[Exposing Biblical Pseudo-history] [RTS=24:31]
Brow Chakra
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Discarnate [not having a physical body.]
William's Commitment
Tabula Rasa Psychic
Lean into it
By/Through
Enlighten

Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
Open Hearted
Strength
Creative
Multiverse
How to Bruise a Ghost Plan A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen...
Listen
Intelligence with Wisdom
Faithful
Through perseverance and commitment to the engagement, it slowly became apparent to Spirit that some of the things previously hidden from itself, required addressing.
Kindness
Communications Device
Inflame Emotions
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Embrace a completely new paradigm

William: Re that, I just wrote this;
Nontheist: Theist and non -theist will do. I'm just sorta attached to the name Atheist'. I would rather amend what atheist means (at one time it meant Christians, because they did not believe in the Emperor -cult) than shun the term as though (accepting the accusations) I was ashamed of it. .

There is a hint of the paranoid in the above.


"Save the label!" as if the label had the power to describe something accurately while remaining easily understood.

It doesn't.

The label "Nontheist" say's everything that needs to be said without the confusion. It also allows for the non-decided, the power of their own position rather than being subject to non-theist/theist dictations.

Nontheist: This is just a personal thing, but "Weak Atheist" which I suppose could be applied to me, sounds like I'm on the verge of becoming a theist. Like any minute I'm going to confess, "Okay, I believe in God again." I'm about a million miles from that.

I use the word atheist to describe myself because I want to show that we all aren't baby eaters or something.

Folk want to tie themselves to a label using nonsense reasons which appear to be a form of emotionally pleading, as if a great thing would be lost in dropping the label and taking on a more practical label.

Folk will understand that you don't believe in God again, if you call yourself a Nontheist. Calling oneself a "weak atheist" doesn't help clear the air of any confusion.

What is it describing? A weak Nontheist?

What is that, but something which is neither a theist nor a nontheist.

Why do nontheists calling themselves "atheists" have a problem with Agnosticism having its own position, independent from Theism and Nontheism?

:-k

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GM: Respect others
Those internal things which make one shine
Keep it simple. All we are trying to do is allow opportunity for interactive connection to happen between the individual and The Universal Mind, as a means of providing evidence that there is indeed such a mind.
The Brain
Gods Purpose
Universal
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Prometheus
one of the Titans, the supreme trickster, and a god of fire. In common belief, he developed into a master craftsman, and in this connection, he was associated with fire and the creation of mortals. His intellectual side was emphasized by the apparent meaning of his name, Forethinker
This isn't about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
Adds Up To
Military
Why is this a Requirement?

William: It get things done. It creates a quick path to an objective. "Go Forth. Multiply. Subdue."

GM: Necessity is The Mother of Invention
All Information Is Channelled
Friable [easily crumbled.]
Apocalypse [uncovering]
Life Principles of Sovereign Integral

Observance of Source in All Things is the principle that all manifestations of life convey an expression of First Source. It does not matter how far the unifying energy has been distorted or perverted; the Source can be observed. It is the action of perceiving the unification of energy even when the outward manifestations appear random, distorted, unrelated, or chaotic.


2. Universe relationship through gratitude The principle of universe relationship through gratitude is primarily concerned with consciously designing one's self image through an appreciation of the Universal Entity's supportive "mirror". In other words, the Universal Entity is a partner in shaping reality's expression in one's life. Reality is an internal process of creation that is utterly free of external controls and conditions if the individual projects a sovereign image upon the mirror of the Universal Entity.


3. Nurturance of life The nurturance of life is the principle that an individual is in alignment with the natural expansion of intelligence inherent within all life. This is an alignment that enhances the life-energy that flows past the individual with the clear intent of gentle support. It is the action of identifying the highest motive in all energy forms and supporting the flow of this energy towards its ultimate expression. In so doing, the action is performed without judgment, analysis, or attachment to outcome. It is simply nurturing the energy that flows from all manifestations and supporting its expression of life.

Since I suspect that Nature is mindful - not just that human beings were some happy accident of nature which produced mindfulness - and I think it is possible that the planet itself may well be a mindful entity, so regard the existence of Earth to being evidence of mindful creativity, when I see statements about nature which confer boss-hood and when I compare such to theistic notions of gods - I can't help but wonder if the two are - not only related - but actually speaking about the same thing in different ways, and this is what I am referring to when I asked if you think it possible that the theist storytellers were translating their subjective experience, were also misinterpreting nature.

William: I wrote this today;
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083727#p1083727[/URL]
Nontheist: In fact, no one can define this vague Cosmic Mind [CM] in any terms that can be meaningful, except for gobble gook.
William: This would certainly be true in terms of sheer information held in the CM - such cannot be downloaded into a human brain without serious irreversible consequences.
However, small bytes over epochs can be integrated with the individuals understanding processes, and the language [of gobble gook] can be deciphered. All on a voluntary basis, of course...
The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
Wish fulfillment
Consciousness incarnates into human form
The evolution of consciousness
The Spirit of The Land
Answer
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole
Alive and kicking
We will just have to go with the implication then, until some way is discovered where the universe allows for us to see otherwise...
Memorandum
Vocables [a word, especially with reference to form rather than meaning.
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Old
Good on you mate
The Spirit of The Planet
Adaptive Actions
Hear oh Israel

The sculptor in the sky
William: Hear oh Israel The sculptor in the sky = 387

[387]
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You
Well That Settles It! What Fun We Have!
Very comfortable in your own skin
Educational - Like stubbing ones minimus
Hear oh Israel The sculptor in the sky

GM: Action
Children of The Dream
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Elementary Conclusion
Blend
If 'comfort re death' is gained through fearlessly facing whatever one may face upon actual death, then either belief can achieve this, as far as I can tell. Neither way appears any better equipped to do the job, than the other.
Is Love That Hard To Know?

William: Yes. It is also that which can give one the edge - right of passage - another way of experiencing the next phase...

GM: Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question

William: We appear to be all alone out here in the middle of infinity and apparent chaos. What the Prometheus is all that about?

GM: Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
Interpretation is secondary to the process

William: So we have to answer that question in order to make the process the main point and support its expansion...

GM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.

William: Well - in that it shows another path re process...the path is invisible due to the unanswered nature of the question...if one finds an answer then the answer is a formation of many possible answers into looking like one possible answer.
At least the answer which provides the best comfort all 'round...while the path is being uncovered/made...

GM: *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Intimate connection
The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
The Father - in The Mother.

More to follow..
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
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Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

GM:
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Searching For The Truth
Soul Carrier Memories
Engaging with the impermanent implies a permanent background

William: Engaging with the impermanent implies a permanent background = 571

[571]
Sorting ones self out - a complex and tricky undertaking...
The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters
Engaging with the impermanent implies a permanent background
It is interesting moving through an exponential epoch

GM: This is indicative of actual justice
We Could Open Galactic Encompassment

William: We Could Open Galactic Encompassment = 346
[346]
We Could Open Galactic Encompassment
Self-confidence When One is Feeling Tired
This is indicative of actual justice
In the Order of Chaos - I am lowly-ranked

GM: The sculptor in the sky
Action
Children of The Dream
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Elementary Conclusion
Blend
If 'comfort re death' is gained through fearlessly facing whatever one may face upon actual death, then either belief can achieve this, as far as I can tell. Neither way appears any better equipped to do the job, than the other.
Is Love That Hard To Know?
The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum
Foundation
Establishment
Cyborg Anthropology
I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God.
The Banner of Apotheosis
A Purpose
The sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.
Glad One Asked
Start where you are
Written Language.
An Eternal Entity Consciousness
Christian mythology re God
[Did The Greco-Roman Elite Class Write The Gospels?! - Professor Robyn Faith Walsh] [RTS= 42:44]

GM: Virtues Vehicle Extreme
Stagnation
Unchartered Territory

Agnostic: Actually there is no cognitive dissonance. Since I am convinced that even if there is a creator deity, it has nothing to do with religion, there is not much at stake. It is something to muse about from time to time. But there is no practical consequence.

One additional reason I prefer the label agnostic to atheist is that there are certain atheists, not many but some, who like to think that there are only two sides to everything - fundamentalist religiosity or militant anti-religion. Not so far as I can see on this site, but it is definitely the case in some other places.

GM: The Wayward Stick
Does evolution shape our senses to see reality as it really is - or not?
Working Together With Love
It is a Product of Fragmentation

William: Indeed. Forced into compliance due to situation...

GM: Ditching the unnecessary labels
Our Neutral Ground
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]

William: Ditching the unnecessary labels = 302
[302]
A degenerative force to existence
To Be Sure That is the truth.
Speak your thoughts aloud
Corresponding equivalents
Working With What Is Available
Ditching the unnecessary labels
Intelligent Consciousness

GM: The Design of The Universe
Called To Order
Feature
Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind
Superior Credibility
Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

William: FTL;
“Divine hiddenness”, as the phrase suggests, refers, most fundamentally, to the hiddenness of God, i.e., the alleged fact that God is hidden, absent, silent. In religious literature, there is a long history of expressions of annoyance, anxiety, and despair over divine hiddenness, so understood. For example, ancient Hebrew texts lament God’s failure to show up in experience or to show proper regard for God’s people or some particular person, and two Christian Gospels portray Jesus, in his cry of dereliction on the cross, as experiencing abandonment by God, whom he regarded as “Abba, Father”, an experience shared by many mystics, saints, and ordinary folk of all theistic traditions, described at its worst as “the dark night of the soul”. Understood in this way, divine hiddenness poses an existential problem for those who have such experiences.
[SOURCE]

Divine Hiddenness = 164
Science Projects
Behind The Scenery
Lacking belief in gods
Each to their own
Self-limitation
Freeing the soul


Hidden = occult.

Occult = cut off from view by interposing something.

Occult = 74
Jesus
Queenbee
Lucifer
Habitual
Hundred
Phasing
Simple
Between
Tarot
Fine Line
In Detail
Beauty
Nailed it
According
Energy
English
Masonic
Freescale
Gematria
Deep Space
Nuclear
Hexagon
Enchanted
About face


Unknown/Hidden/Occult = 230
The Spirit of The Earth
Well That Settles It
Shallow is Unknown
Neruda Interview Five
The Plateau of The Same Page
Present over perfect


Q: Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us?

Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?
[No thought about fate or of ending up late Yet I still like to think where I'm going]

Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.

Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.

If that be the case, then what are the interposing barriers those apparently opposite positions use in order to achieve this occulting phenomena?

Willful ignorance re the nonthesists.

False imagery re the religious theists.


False imagery amounts to willful ignorance. However, because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.

The Ghost - in essence is The Mind...Consciousness, and that The Ghost breathed itself into form, is also a form of 'dressing up' and a false image for that - but to be fair re The Genesis story, the intent wasn't false.

The intent of The Ghost was to have something of Itself within a device through which it could use Its Mind to create things from the stuff of the planet.
[Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people's thinking.]


Yet, The Ghost within the form it created, reacted rather badly to the experience...and the reaction is best identified as Fear-Based - The Ghost scared the hell out of itself.

The Greater aspect of The Ghost/Mind that 'stayed behind' to oversee the project - reacted with apparent appall - but this too, may have been how The Ghost within the form interpreted that...and the interpretation may be false because of that - thus the false imagery - based in fear.

The whole Project hasn't been easy from the go-get, but we are not 'dealing' with something which can respond suitable to our willful ignorance/false imagery, other than how It has responded to date.

The Ghost = 102
Thousand
Whatever
Meaningful
Learn Well
A Game Of Chess
Timeless
Sharing data,
Light Body
Core value
Mystical
Vipassana
Inner self
Light Girl



From my own ongoing interactions with The Ghost, I have been informed that It is not angry, and that we would do well to transform our own anger into something more supportive of Its agenda in the scheme of things, that we might fall into line and make things much easier for ourselves.

Meantime, things are going along "just fine" re The Ghost Agenda as human beings have been suppressed sufficiently that they have become more useful to said agenda, and "leveled up" as a result, allowing for The Ghost Agenda to be magnified through scientific discover and the technology this has produced.

The Ghost Agenda = 134
The human brain
The game of Chess
The tree of life
Information
Breakthrough
Incorporate
The Digital Angel
Encounters
To Accomplish
Do a Word Search
One Nine Two
Homo Sapiens
Unprecedented
Real is better


GM:Transferring your awareness I Am Hearing You


William: FTL;
One simply has to love oneself and ones neighbor... where is that written, other than within one's heart.
But Scripture says that we must love Jehovah our God first of all, and then our neighbor.
That's what I was saying, when I wrote;
How can one love others if one does not love oneself? How can one love oneself if one does not love one's God?
However, I do not have one name for my God. I have many names [including YHVH] for The Cosmic Mind of Creation.

GM: Evil Gods
Map Carvers
Astrobiologists Say Planet Earth Itself Might Actually Be An Intelligent Being

GM: Epochs
Try Gateway
Cease Belief
Dequeue
Your Best Self
Divergence
Shine Your Light

More to follow...
 

William

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

Theist: I think YHWH's relationship to it is closer to a painting than a VR in the sense that YHWH doesn't enter into creation and control it...

William: Simulation Games are not all about controlling or having control over The Simulation.
They generally involve being a character within and doing what one can within the encoded avatar the player is playing through.

There has been no argument from me that YHWH controls The Simulation from within the simulation, but your assertion that YHWH does not enter The Simulation appears to contradict the biblical narrative.

Re avatars, YHWH is said to have achieved this through such things as being a voice in the garden, a voice in a burning bush, a voice in the head of Abraham, - indeed, in every instance I can think of at this moment - where it is said that YHWH enters the Creation, it is done through the guise of some type of avatar - and an accompanying voice which claims to be either YHWH or a messenger of YHWH.

GM: Individual Actions
What is behind the VR headset
Psychic
[Atheists CANNOT Explain This Secret Code Seen in Creation] [RTS= 42:08]

William: FTL;
We did not create laws of Math - we discovered them.

GM: They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Release
Heart advice
We Could
Buddha
Dualic Energies
A complex and tricky undertaking...
The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
Within ones grasp of influence
Evil Gods
Interactions
Super-information medium
Archangel
All That We Are.
Brahman
Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question

William: What the Prometheus is all that about?

GM: Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
Interpretation is secondary to the process
A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more.
William: Well - in that it shows another path re process...the path is invisible due to the unanswered nature of the question...if one finds an answer then the answer is a formation of many possible answers into looking like one possible answer.
At least the answer which provides the best comfort all 'round...while the path is being uncovered/made...
GM: *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Intimate connection
The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
The Father - in The Mother.
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"

William: At The Source, There is no distinction.
At The Source, There is no distinction. = 384
There are no contradictions which are real = 384


GM: An infinitesimal object germinated
Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom

William: No time to be tied to the Moon...

GM: Don’t give up
Those who need to complain
Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us?
MQgtoxO.png

Imposed Appropriates Observed
Experience is the best teacher
Open Minded
Borne Upon Judgments Platform
Be here now
GOD

more to follow...
 

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

*YHWH gives nature a voice.*
_______________________

071022 [Essentially, we are Gaia in human form...
Hacking through the subconscious
"Off you go to your quarters"
Precise definitions of strategies
Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor] [343]



SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
Leg Hold Traps - Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system - Transparent - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089503#p1089503 - Phantasma Wise Conscious - Redefine Oneself - The One GOD With Many Names - Feeling the complete engulfment of unconditional love - Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations - Who Knows Who? - Discovery is finding things that exist.

AP= [=Angels
It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present]

[Angels It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present = 837]
[837]
You won't learn to understand something that you are trying to outsmart
Tap into your natural intuition and creativity Evolutionary Game Theory


RSP = SCLx10 + *YHWH gives nature a voice.* + Quote Page 837

08:54 [Freedom in The Knowing]

Page 837
GM:
Attached
That's Powerful!
Intransigent
Help
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
Disclosure of Knowledge
Success
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision
Pleasantries extended to you and yours.
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
Extra evidence is provided
The Mapping Bots Couple "I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you'll miss the bouquet when its thrown"
Is quite congruous with Jung's ideas centring around individuation.
Be grateful to everyone
Author Known
Awake and Waiting
The Mother God
Invite The Bee To Land
Fine Line
Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.
Brother
The Great Green Wall
Scanning Transmission Electron Microscope
Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function
Henotheism
Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/fo...fers possible solution...-,Mind To Mind.,-Top
Wonder
According to the teachings of ...?
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us Hint Other way Start where you are
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
Atheism is the ship, not the sailors
Quiet
Appealing, Informative, Honest
Which The Georgia Guidestones Unnecessary Tangent Confusion In The Air
Greed
The Great Attractor
Confluent
Do a QWERTY
Do Not Worry
Elude Tabula Rasa
Particular
Event String Unfolding "Blind Luck" [Indifference]
Pot of Gold

*YHWH gives nature a voice.*


GM:
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
Light Body
I Think We Can Safely Say Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
*YHWH gives nature a voice.*
Toxic shame
William: Whatever my position on the subject of GOD is, I am neither atheist or theist, because of the realization that until the question of whether we exist within a creation or not is answered, the question whether there is a creator [GOD] is a pointless one to be arguing.

Thus when such unsupported statements as "There is no position as not a theist and also not an atheist" arise, whether they derive from atheists or theists these types of statement are clearly constructed through cognitive bias filters, having no basis in what is really going on.

GM: Mind-Filters
[Plasma Wakefield Acceleration: How it Works]
27,379 views Nov 6, 2014 This animation explains how electrons can be efficiently accelerated to high energy using wakes created in a plasma.

GM: Finding the light
Hidden riches
WingMakers
Significant


William:

GM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...
Escape
Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.

William: Escape Unsupported statements that are neither useful to science or to good argument. = 891
A GOD can look down on us with disappointment or look through us with understanding = 891

GM: https://forum.hearing-voices.org/discussion/256/i-am-william


GM: One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Signals
Mind is Ghost
zn+1 = zn2 + c
Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]

Theist: do you believe the universe is deterministic or not? Can I get a straight answer?

William: My position [Natural/Neutral.] prevents me from forming beliefs on any subject.
I lean toward the realization that the universe is deterministic, rather than is an accident.


GM: Free Choice Ends Here

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1069825#p1069825

William: Calling something "pseudoscience" isn't getting the science done - it is simply relying on woo-slinging to act as a barrier against one having to do the science for oneself - by applying an inappropriate slogan to the process.

You have your mind - use it.

GM: *YHWH gives nature a voice.*
Look Closely
An Exam
Creative Conscious Intelligence
Functional Clusters
Forum

William:Most of the nontheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...

Nontheist crack me up.

GM: Failure
It should come as no surprise that you can see the signal.
Calculator Active
Christian mythology re God
Worthy of the individuals time and effort

William: Christian mythology re God Worthy of the individuals time and effort [713]
[Seven One Three = 155]
[155]
The same mindset
Like a Job Well Done
The Abrahamic idea of god
On The Other Hand.
What is atheism
Authenticity
Ones and zeros
Translucency
Watch this space
Try To Feel It
Contentious
Gods Purpose
The naked truth
Authenticity
Any Other Way.
Meretricious
Free Choice Ends Here

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVNZgnQ8gE [50,000,000x Magnification] [RTS=10:40]

William: One pixel at a time...

GM: Celebrate the differences
Let yourself be led
Communicating
They is what they is.
Yodhey Whahay
Playing Chess
Active
"You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine" Aligning Self-help
Penetrate The Bidden Zone

William: You seem adverse to my understanding that the way Satan is utilized by God is reflected onto God and can be seen for what it is, by the audience.

I do not have those images you have in your beliefs about Satan, and am not accusing anyone, Satan, God or Job, Christ, David Paul or any other entity effected by God.
I am merely saying what the obvious positions are in relation to God and the angels, and Humans.
I simply pointed out that there is no mention of Job being consulted on the matter before being cast into the role.

I am unconcerned as to whether Satan had permission to inflict harm on Job and do anything to Job directly or indirectly to test Jobs loyalty to God - or whatever the reason was - as it is also obvious throughout the bible that this is how God works in such cases were an adversary is useful.
Either lessons are being learned or it is for some other - as yet unknown - reason

Satan appears to act as the dark side of יהוה and apparently the role is temporary which signifies that when God is done and dusted the dark thing becomes no more/transformed.

How you tell it, is no different than how any other Christian tells it.

That you hear an encouraging voice you call "Christ" while Joey Knotweed hears a tormentors voice he calls "Cowardly" tells me that you have dealt with your dark side more effectively and made friends with it.


GM: Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Philo2

William: FTL;
Chamber Two – The Shifting Models of Existence

Consider these words as symbols only. Remember that language is a tool of limitation. Feeling is an antidote of limitation that permits the human instrument to leap over the boundaries of the logical mind and witness firsthand the wordless power of collective energy individuated. Feel the truth that stands behind the symbols, and tap into this energy-force that reaches out for you. Know it as a tone-vibration—a resonance that waits for you around every corner in which your life will turn. It is the beacon of the Source Vibration gathering itself into the form of language in order to usher you to the place from which you can experience the formless tone of equality; the bypass of limitation; the Primal Language of Source Intelligence that bestows to you the freedom to generate your deepest beauty in the expression of the highest truth. {SOURCE}

GM: The Electron
Solving Mathematical Problems
Religion
Emergent Theory
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.

10:05
[The "Oh My God" Particle
The voice of knowledge
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Concomitant Power
Approaching the Divine]

[Concomitant - a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
 

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

It's Our Nature
"Lessons All 'Round"
Lordy! Do I Have To?

William: Rather that than cry me a river...

GM: Astigmatism [a defect in the eye or in a lens caused by a deviation from spherical curvature, which results in distorted images, as light rays are prevented from meeting at a common focus.]
The Power Of Creation
The Mindfulness involved re the things we cannot actually physically see, but are there to be discovered, nonetheless.
Once Upon a Time "Lordy! Do I Have To?"
Parchment
Remote Viewing
♫ Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide ♫
Encounter Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism) [RS]
The Ennoia
This mythos of the soul and her descent into this lower world, with her various sufferings and changing fortunes until her final deliverance, recurs in the Simonian system under the form of the All-Mother who issues as its first thought from the Hestōs or highest power of God. She generally bears the name Ennoia, but is also called Wisdom (Sophia), Ruler, Holy Spirit, Prunikos, Barbelo. Having sunk down from the highest heavens into the lowest regions, she creates angels and archangels, and these again create and rule the material universe. Restrained and held down by the power of this lower world, she is hindered from returning to the kingdom of the Father. According to one representation she suffers all manner of insult from the angels and archangels bound and forced again and again into fresh earthly bodies, and compelled for centuries to wander in ever new corporeal forms. According to another account she is in herself incapable of suffering, but is sent into this lower world and undergoes perpetual transformation in order to excite by her beauty the angels and powers, to impel them to engage in perpetual strife, and so gradually to deprive them of their store of heavenly light. The Hestōs himself at length comes down from the highest heaven in a phantasmal body in order to deliver the suffering Ennoia, and redeem the souls held in captivity by imparting gnosis to them.
That's Powerful!
Sharing Data
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
William
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
William: Logically The Mind/consciousness/self awareness is therefore that which shapes the matter which we call "The Universe" - and anyone who does not think that the universe has a mind, is not paying attention to the one piece of evidence which indisputably shows that mind and matter interrelate as The Ghost and The Machine.

GM: Trust the Process
ComListSup
Impressionable
Do this
You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever.
Integration
Putting yourself back together again Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"

I just see it as a binary option - something either exists in reality, or it doesn't. That's about as "fundamental" as reality gets.
Your seeing of it is incomplete then, according to the science...
I do try my best to understand and learn, but for me reality is a yes/no type of deal.
I hear you. I can assume that you give that much grace to everyone else, my friend...for not everyone sees it the way you do and you can be content with that. We call can.

GM: What is antichrist?
Challenge
We All Like To Play Games
Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.
Establishment
Reality
The process of individuation
Expression
The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
Productive Rationality
Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em
The Second Coming
Calling the shots

William: While we all wait...

GM: Random coincidence? I think not.

William: FTL;
Lately some of us have been arguing from three differing positions is which the bible can be used to defend all three. All three appear to agree that each individual has a "Soul" although there may be disagreement on what the exact function of a "Soul" is.

[1] A "Person" is "Spirit" and temporarily exists as a human being until the body dies then that "Person" enters an afterlife and is judged by "God" and is condemned or saved. Those saved go to "heaven" and those condemned go to "Hell" - or in some variances on this, are "exterminated".

[2] A "Person" a "Human being" and when the human being dies, that is the end of that person unless "God" judges them as "saved" in which case that person is resurrected and given a new body which will last forever more.

[3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

Often any different position which opposes another might logically mean that they both cannot be correct, assuming one or the other is true.

Both [1]&[2] fall into this category as they cannot both be true. [1]&[2] also both agree that [3] is false.

However, [3] Can be true without making the other two false.

And [3] - just as with [1]&[2] can be backed by the bible, depending on what parts of the bible one uses to do so.

The bible is interpreted throughout, based upon which position [1][2] or [3] is being used [as the filter] to interpret it through .

If [1]&[2] oppose each other but can still be "proven" by using the bible, then this makes the bible something of a contradiction.

But if [3] - although different from [1]&[2] does not oppose either [1]&[2] and can still be "proven" by using the bible just like [1]&[2], then [3] takes away the contradictory aspect of the bible which [1]&[2] create by being in opposition.

Question: Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

GM: Didactic [- intended to teach, particularly in having moral instruction as an ulterior motive. in the manner of a teacher, particularly so as to appear patronizing.]
Significance
Active Imagination (see technique)
Conscience
It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written
Hyper-normalisation
Regarding
Be authentic
F7gpxCw.png

Penetrate
There Are Myriad Stories Happening Within The Main Story
The Great White Brotherhood
Time To Go Without Existence
No Country For Old Men
Frequency Dependent Selection
Mind
Sad
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
[Joe Rogan | The Crystal Skulls and Alien Abductions w/Dan Aykroyd] [RTS= 14:31]
This
Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Calling something "pseudoscience" isn't getting the science done - it is simply relying on woo-slinging to act as a barrier against one having to do the science for oneself - by applying an inappropriate slogan to the process.

GM: “Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
It's Our Nature
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Active
Word-String
Never a dull moment
Annus horribilis
Nature being the very instigator
Trust the Universe
When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror.
Veil
Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. :) [in house joke]
The Lord God
Calling the shots
Genius
Hacking through the subconscious
Try Different Methods
Tug Of War
What The Gods See
Mixture
Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
Does evolution shape our senses to see reality as it really is - or not?
Umbrella
You will overcome
Contumacious [stubbornly or wilfully disobedient to authority.]

William: FTL;
We also should know and factor in that there has been an increase in internet conspiracy theories to do with the mark - one of the latest being - that covid virus vaccinations are administering a computer chip into human beings - and this idea of a computer chip embedded into the human being, has been associated with the mark since we entered into the technological epoch.

I remember my own days of Churching, I did some time in a Pentecostal new age setting, ET's [presented as the antichrist] 666 and 'chipping' rumors were well spread therein. That was in the 80's...42 years ago...

GM: We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one
Scientists are trying to understand the mysteries of the holographic principle: How many dimensions are there in our universe? Some of the world's brightest minds are carrying out research in this area -- and still have not succeeded so far in creating a unified theory of quantum gravitation is often considered to be the "Holy Grail" of modern science.
GM: There are many levels of consciousness
We Can Do Magic!
Word-String
[50,000,000x Magnification] [RTS= 10:13]

William:
Five Zero ZeroZeroZero ZeroZeroZero Times Magnification = 677
The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. = 677

GM: *Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
As in "A Cosmic Comedy" being played out...
In Cell 32 I Found Love In You
You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know
While We All Wait....

William: *Smiles*

GM: Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Seduce
Remnant Seed
Open Minded
Dream yoga
Truthfulness
Truth
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
Self-reflection
Now that nut is cracked, what next?
A theism is the ship, not the sailors
Trust The Process
Look from a different angle
Seduce
The Science Of The Soul
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Stay Present
I have no reason not to trust that the thought was backed with good intentions.
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves
Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system
Let the hand of GOD work for you
Oneirology
Great Ideas
Being
Core value
Divine intuition
Soul
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
"Know that this new relationship will help you become better..."
Christian mythology
The Ishango bone
You Tube Mythology Enlightenment
Re: The mind as evidence of god So then we see, the claim in the OP can't be shown to be true and factual.
Yes. I also observe that it cannot be shown to be false and fanciful.

GM: “No sailor controls the sea.”
Freeing the soul
Humans are programmed to become integrated with technology
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090271#p1090271
How To Bruise a Ghost.

The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

Manu Iti: All stories start with "Once Upon a Time"

William: Even the story of The Beginning?

Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn't happened.

William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

Manu Iti chuckles.

Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

William: Thank You, My Father!

Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.


William: And that begins with Earth Mother...

Manu Iti: Indeed.
The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother...

William: How is that even possible, Father?

Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity...a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect...

William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

Manu Iti: Yes.
__________________

GM: In The Rabbit Hole
Panpsychism [In the philosophy of mind, panpsychism is the view that the mind or a mindlike aspect is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of reality. It is also described as a theory that "the mind is a fundamental feature of the world which exists throughout the universe."]
It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
The nature of understanding
Code
For The Purpose Of
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
Functional Clusters
Mission

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[330]
This moment is the perfect teacher
Mission Functional Clusters
Living our forefathers’ conflict
It is a slippery path of snake-oil.
The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
I Think – Therefore – Who Do I Think I Am?
Actions speak louder than words
 

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We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

[Replying to The Tanager in post #93]

So yes. about those stories...

I observe the explanation for any of them, can be told as 'we exist within a simulation' - created for a purpose which we should be able to intelligently work out.

I agree. It can also be told via other kinds of creation views.

You would have to show me that is the case before I could agree with that, if indeed it were even important/relevant.

In the telling of it, the instruction for humans is to go forth and to multiply and to subdue the planet.

For the burning bush story?

No.
If, during the discussion we might continue to have, you feel that I am confused about which story of the Bibles many stories being referred to, please let me know.
Whatever I mention of whatever bible story, am I able to presume that you know the Bible stories well enough not to have to ask, or should I be more specific in the furture?

The one speaking the instruction, is represented in many forms throughout the Bible, but considered to being the same VOICE behind those forms - be the form a burning bush, or even the atmospheric form of a disembodied external VOICE, such as when in the garden...YVHV uses what YVHV will to get the message across...

Yes, I agree.

Okay.

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.

If there is any pattern in the overall stories which can give us a definitive answer;

Q: Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?
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Note: I understand that there are most likely many conflicting answers, depending upon an individual's beliefs and interpretations of the bible stories and I am not interested in arguing about beliefs and interpretations.
I simply want one's impression or understanding of why one thinks that given the evidence humans have so far uncovered, YVHV does this to Humans.

For example, I have the impression you think that you never existed before you were born and although we have different opinions on that point, I seem to recall you argued that the personality/character you are, never existed prior to this experience you are currently having.

If I understand you correctly here, then we can agree that one of the main purposes for this universe and humans being within it, has to do with the formation of personalities/characters...and in relation to YHVH - these are for the purpose of then having the potential - to interact with YVHV.

What do you say to the above. - Agree? Disagree? Important things to iron out first?
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*Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*

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[Preamble]
Courageous - Truth Without Proof Is Belief - "With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost" - Further - If In Doubt Let It Sit - Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
AP= [The Electron - Augment = 206]
[Augment -make (something) greater by adding to it; increase.]
[206]
[Subatomic Particles
Take care of yourself
Odd Addiction Vortex
The Nature of The Mind
Mathematical problems
The Kindness of Sleep
Gateway Luminous
The Electron Augment
The fire from within
Looking behind the veil]

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Page 206
GM:
Afraid of The Unknown
When the evidence for long ages became obvious, most Christians realized that their earlier assumptions about scripture were incorrect.
Lilibet
Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
Language
Genetic Memory
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Internet
Put That Fire Out
Raphael ~
Conundrum
I Am Hearing You
That's a good one
Moon
As Crazy as evolution might seem, it is just the way the Cosmic Mind did it.
Fitting In
Clean
Vipassana
Symbols
The Single Word List
That will come out in the wash - as the saying goes...
Beyond Belief Recovery
Equal System
You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know
Wow!
He Who Waits ~
Smarter Than The Average
Validation
Positive self-talk Joy Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
Shaming
Birthing
Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation Puppets handing out sweets
They is what they is.
Christian mythology
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1088293#p1088293
Lucid
The Ride
Looking behind
Regarding

05:48 [Freedom in The Knowing]

GM: God/Source/Home
Unsuccessful attempt to find something
Propagated
Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
A machine for solving problems
"One Day" [Christian mythology re God]
In Denial What Is Our Purpose? My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Interactions
Go For It!
*Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*
Teaching
The things you can see only when you slow down
In The Team of the Collective
GOD God Gods gods

William: My thoughts on this are that is seems more logical to go with consciousness not being an emergent property of working brains because this implies that the material can create the immaterial, which seems to be unnatural [goes against] in regard to how nature creates. Nature creates using what is materially available. Why would it first [or at all] need to create something immaterial to then be enabled do this?

Thus it seems more logical to accept that the immaterial created the material and placed itself within that material in order to then further shape that material in ways which would help it to create through that material [such as working brains]. First making the basics and then getting into the details.

GM: *Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*
Charge
Mystery Consensus Realities
Different ways of supporting the same objective.
To Know
Look inward
Eternal Loop
Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]

A Space Without A Time...
The Blank-Slate Borderlines

PeeKay: Perception of morality is an ability people have, and it's as important, or more important than sight.
William: It is no doubt helpful for biological critters to have any chance of surviving within the Universe to invent morals which assist with that process.
However, in order to accept the premise you offer, one would have to say that morals were not invented but discovered. One would have to assign human characteristics to the Universe. Do you think that the Universe is therefore self aware and has a sense of morality?

GM: The Supernatural and the Bible
Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye
Insufficient data
*Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*
Stuff
Things
A complex and tricky undertaking...

William: Stuff/things a complex and tricky undertaking... = 467
There seems to be an objective reality out there = 467

GM: Plus
The Corporate Elite
Do a Word Search
Musing On The Mother

William: Musing On The Mother = 224

The Eigengrau Mind Screen
James Webb Space Telescope
Under the watchful eye
As An Elemental Principle
They is what they is.
Look For the Significance
The Purpose Of Life Is...
Unknown Visitor
Leave room for nature
One Hundred and Sixty

The Corporate Elite Musing On The Mother = 419
[419]
What I also know is that numbers don't lie.
Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows! :)
"Well even the most ugly of us have a Father." :)
The Corporate Elite Musing On The Mother
Elementary Conclusion "I am on a Madventure"

GM:
The Way We Feel Unification
Guilty
Brave
Conscious Eats Experience
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
May all your madventures be fun.
Go with the Flow
Tap into your natural intuition and creativity
Spiritual bypassing
*Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*
Interpretation/Feel
Masks
The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism
Evil
Shape
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...
OWOBIK [One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known]
Solidarity
As in "A Cosmic Comedy" being played out...
Lojong [used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
The Divine

Feeling the complete engulfment of unconditional love
*Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing it?*
Leave room for nature
Zones of Sensitivity
'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't.
Simulating large scale structure

Nontheist: And I get what you say about cutting off from the experience of God etc. But that is cutting yourself off from the possibility that pursuit of the Mystical Experience may in the end, be a waste of time.
William:
Mystical Experience has often involved showing the individual that time is an illusion - and that death is as well.

One will live an entire lifetime and not learn everything there is to know and what if death is not the end and one could have utilized their time in a balanced manner which did not involve cutting one off in favor of the other.

I would rather the Panthera pulling my Chariot were both moving in the same direction with the same purpose...

06:14
[Secrets of the soul
Central to The Message
Between a rock and a hard place
Remember who you are
Hologram Dimensions]
 

William

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We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

"Generative adversarial network"
Not to be confused with Adversarial machine learning.
Part of a series on
Machine learning
and data mining
Scatterplot featuring a linear support vector machine's decision boundary (dashed line)
Problems
Supervised learning
(classification • regression)
Clustering
Dimensionality reduction
Structured prediction
Anomaly detection
Artificial neural network
AutoencoderCognitive computingDeep learningDeepDreamMultilayer perceptronRNN LSTMGRUESNreservoir computingRestricted Boltzmann machineGANSOMConvolutional neural network U-NetTransformer VisionSpiking neural networkMemtransistorElectrochemical RAM (ECRAM)
Reinforcement learning
Learning with humans
Model diagnostics
Theory
Machine-learning venues
Related articles
vte
A generative adversarial network (GAN) is a class of machine learning frameworks designed by Ian Goodfellow and his colleagues in June 2014.[1] Two neural networks contest with each other in the form of a zero-sum game, where one agent's gain is another agent's loss.

Given a training set, this technique learns to generate new data with the same statistics as the training set. For example, a GAN trained on photographs can generate new photographs that look at least superficially authentic to human observers, having many realistic characteristics. Though originally proposed as a form of generative model for unsupervised learning, GANs have also proved useful for semi-supervised learning,[2] fully supervised learning,[3] and reinforcement learning.[4]

The core idea of a GAN is based on the "indirect" training through the discriminator, another neural network that can tell how "realistic" the input seems, which itself is also being updated dynamically.[5] This means that the generator is not trained to minimize the distance to a specific image, but rather to fool the discriminator. This enables the model to learn in an unsupervised manner.

GANs are similar to mimicry in evolutionary biology, with an evolutionary arms race between both networks.{SOURCE}
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[Preamble]
My commentary is on the positional responses to the question "Do we exist within a creation?" rather than what individuals giving allegiance to said positions may or may not do as a matter of personal choice. - Recover what was lost - The Electroweak Era - The Fathers 'House - Mansions' - Confirmation bias - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077448#p1077448 - Absolute Unbounded Manifold Fine-structure Constant - The Evolution of Morals - The Ghost

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Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency]
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[Love Heart Higher Self Dream Guide Sharing Data Raise your frequency = 637]
The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism = 637

RSP = SCLx9 + "Generative adversarial network" + P&P + Quote Page 637

Page 637
GM:
The Deep and Meaningful
The Nature of The Mind
We Are Us
Atheism is the unconscious lack of belief in Gods
For Your Greater Enjoyment
The "Everything Is Unique" Mantra
Presence
Perennial [lasting or existing for a long or apparently infinite time; enduring or continually recurring.]
Little Bird
Narcissist [a person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves.]
Through Others
Hypnagogic experience
Working on that...
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
Who Knows
Night
Jump to Conclusions
Create
Maree’s dying/death
Sleeping Dragon
Nyx
Story-Tellers
“Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans”
Feeling the complete engulfment of unconditional love
Nuclear
Freemasonry
Unwilling Reaction
Consciousness in its myriad of form and function
Grace
Fear intimidation distraction exploitation
The Sun
Executing
Experience is the best teacher
Correct
Engaging with the impermanent implies a permanent background
Intimation
Righty Oh!
Generated Messages Coming From A Creator
A physical manifestation of a mental projection
Conception
I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
REAL Friendship
Dualic Residue
Bodhisattva
The House of Politics
Do Not Panic
Insufficient data
Love Takes One For The Team
08:49 [Freedom in The Knowing]

"Generative adversarial network"

GM:
Your Dream Team
Events connected by meaning
giphy.gif

Returning
Apocalypse [Uncover – reveal.]
Executing
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
Clearness
gCF2BwO.png

This transformation of the entity is the pathway into wholeness and the recognition that the entity model of expression is a composite of forms and the formless that is unified in one energy, one consciousness.
"Generative adversarial network"
Though Thought
Psychological events
It can bite and scratch so one has to be careful
Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory?
Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
Death
Stay Present
Quest
Peaceful Messiah
Proceed with causation, cautiously...

Be aware
[Jan Westerhoff | Are Dreams Real?]

William: FTL;
5,812 views Nov 16, 2019 Is dreaming just an illusion? Philosopher and orientalist Jan Westerhoff, explores what Buddhist philosophy can teach us about dreaming, illusion and reality. [Is Reality an Illusion?]

GM: Dichotomy [1. a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.]
My understanding of the Realm of Judgment is that some folk want to run their life experiences through this realm on the off-chance that the approval they seek, is given therein.
The bureaucracy of Christianity
"Generative adversarial network"
Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It
Golden nugget of truth
The Mapping Bots Couple ♫I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you'll miss the bouquet when its thrown♫
♫I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends...♫
Know This
Invisible Wings

Fling That Veil Aside
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
Ace in the hole
♫The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?♫
Educational
"Generative adversarial network"
OOBE Target Technique
Mysterious process
Mapping Wholeness
“Spread love everywhere you go. Let no one ever come to you without leaving happier.”
Leave a Trail
Spring Loaded
Transparency
Avet
It isn't important who is who - what is important is what comes through.
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
Question.
The past and the future are moments of 'now' - to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive
Inculcated [[instil/teach (an idea, attitude, or habit) by persistent instruction.]
Genetic Mind
MQgtoxO.png

The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation

Besides
Sure
"Generative adversarial network"
Marijuana
Zero Waste
Politics
Universe
Dare greatly
Universal Objective
Secular Science Projects
[The path of awakening]
Ship Shape

William: Again - the discussion being had here shows me that beliefs to do with the age of the Universe are secondary in relevant importance to the fact of its existence and our existence within it.

Re: the OPQ: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

No more or less crazy than the notion of the Universe being a Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation produced and processed within the mind of The Father God - and furthermore, this idea does not go against The Script...scripture being scant on the details has to do with its focus being on The Creator re the Human element of the story - rather than specifically The Creation...and in that regard, 'a blink of an eye' and '13.8 billion years' amount to exactly the same thing in relation to said Mind.
Notice too, that the Biblical take on the existence of life on Earth, does not acknowledge the Dinosaurs

Search: What does the word Dinosaur mean
Sir Richard Owen came up with the name dinosaur in 1841 to describe the fossils of extinct reptiles. He coined the word by combining the Greek words “deinos”, which means terrible, and “sauros”, which means lizard.


As near to this as the bible story gets, is The Serpent...is that a coincidence or something linking prehistory with human development?

GM: "Free Will" is nothing much to crow about..."Visions" show that to be the case.
Mother Invention
Hold/Have
Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
Smile at fear

An Elder Race
"Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"
Anunnaki
Coming closer to ourselves
Conceivable

William: FTL;
Compassionist: How do you know there is such a thing called the soul or spirit or eternal entity or heaven or hell or God?

William: "Soul" "Sprit" "Eternal Entity" are reductions of data accumulation. On a personal level [as in "how do I know"] since experiencing "OOB" I have no option [if I am to remain honest] but to consider that data of experience as relative to my 'self-identity' so I am in the skin of an ape, but the personality being developed as "me" is done so directly through my nervous system [see here for more about that] and so underneath the flesh and bone of my human form, is the heart of a system which allows for me to even contemplate self-identification.
Coupling that data [my personal data of experience] with the stories humans tell of their subjective experiences, I can form a picture of the most likely overall picture of what is occurring - what we are all involved within.
For reasons of simplicity [re the complexity] I refer to the whole as a kind of Simulation Game-Play, because that is what it appears to be.

So it is not so much a matter of 'knowing' as it is a matter of guessing. I could be wrong, I could be right. The death of the body will show me I am right OR I will simply cease to exist/experience data.

Compassionist: The Bible is full of contradictions and inaccuracies. How can I possibly rely on the Bible to give me facts about reality?

William: The bible is just one of many theist books and in that, the contradictions are about individual authors relaying their ideas based upon their particular beliefs, which - combined - are what produce the contradictions. Like with all theistic writings, it is wise to take the stories on the understanding that the individuals are relaying their experiences as the experiences were created through their beliefs and in correlation with their personal attitudes etc...it is unwise to think of such as reliable source re 'facts about reality' - as to do so means one is having to believe and in that, shaping ones beliefs and attitudes and [should there be more to experience after the death of the body] those beliefs and attitudes will have an effect on what it is the individual will create and experience for themselves.

My perspective [re logic] is that it is better to be somewhat prepared for the possibility that there is more to experience after the death of the body, than to believe that there will be nothing more to experience and be way less prepared as a consequence.

If I am wrong, then 'no problem' but if I am right, then 'no problem'... ;)

GM: Milky Way Mother
Neurotransmitters
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
Baiting
Children of The Light
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
Attitude of gratitude
"Generative adversarial network"
Astral Guides
Morph
Believing in fearful imagery
The Great Grey Neutral Zone
Extra evidence is provided Bridge Confusion In The Air
Dive deep
The "All Matey"
Archangel
That, they can be!
In Training For...
Everything for a reason
What Shall We Call It?
"The Brain"
You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.
A Black Hole
Those Who Can
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness

Which
Giving birth
Code
A Clean Channel
Infinity
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Overall
That's More Like It
Earn
That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.
"Generative adversarial network"
Wide Walk Welcoming
Self-Aware
Universal Mind
Far Out! Shucks! Explain!
A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless
Are Close Save That
It Would Be Rude Not To
Heart Teachers
Of Your Thoughts
E8yxHy1.png


Mirroring
Nurture You
t
The challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world, is illusionary.
Emergent Theory
Smile at fear
Hacking through the subconsciousness
"Generative adversarial network"
Pitchforks and Torches
"I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" = An Opportunity To Commune
Light the spark
The Earth Entity
William: One simply has to love oneself and ones neighbor... where is that written, other than within one's heart.

Christian: But Scripture says that we must love Jehovah our God first of all, and then our neighbor.

William: That's what I was saying, when I wrote;

How can one love others if one does not love oneself? How can one love oneself if one does not love one's God?

However, I do not have one name for my God. I have many names [including YHVH] for The Cosmic Mind of Creation.


Christian: Those with no knowledge of scripture today cannot obey the first commandment.

William: Unsupported statements do not, a fact [truth] make.

Indeed, ‘You must love The Creator with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind’ is something folk can do, even if they have no access to any religious script.

The other biblical quotes bear witness to how individuals related to their idea of God - in love...indeed, the bible is mostly a books of stories to do with this inter-personal relationship.

And to add - many of those individuals did not even have access to what you are saying is 'Scripture' - so it would not be errant of me to point out that there is no concrete evidence to support the belief that knowledge of scripture is a commandment, even implicatively.

Certainly one can find inspiration for wanting to connect and commune, but this is simply not limited to the bible - thus quite obviously there is no such commandment that scripture be known, in order for one to connect and commune with The Creator Mind [Ghost] - therefore the knowledge must be sourced elsewhere, and primarily it must be sourced within the relationship itself - not to the stories of others [as inspiring as these might be] but to ones own story in relation with others.

GM: Creation of a New Universe
Sky Lamps
Here Am I Is Where I Ought - Examining My Conscious Thought
Sensory Data Quality

The Purpose
The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
Returning the Compliment

William: FTL;
We know that if we stand on the moon, and look at the planet, there is no immediate evidence of the planet being an intelligent entity, producing myriad forms of intelligent life.

[Replying to brunumb in post #151]

Probably because the planet is not intelligent entity.

Positive statements imply a claim is being made. Do you have any evidence to support the claim that the planet is not an intelligent entity?

It is when we get closer to it - and find life and examine life and see the intelligence therein, that we can return to the moon and observe an intelligent planet. Not because it looks any different from the way it did when we first observed it from the moon - but rather - because we accumulated a lot of information about it through closer examination, and the effect of that data in that interim, changed our original perceptions of the Earth.

But those changes to our original perceptions of the Earth do not lead to the conclusion that it is an intelligent entity.

No they do not, and I don't understand where it is you think I am saying this is the case.
What it leads to is that the possibility that one equals the other, allows for the possibility that it is, and therefore, information regarding the possibility remains relevant to the position of Agnosticism.
That door remains open to further investigation.
That idea remains on the table.

Sure, there are intelligent species everywhere but no compelling reason to conclude that intelligence extends beyond those species. Unless, of course, one is predisposed to leaping to unwarranted conclusions or applying some sort of confirmation bias.

The sort of confirmation bias which Agnosticism avoids are those which develop within the positions of Theism and Nontheism.

The "unwarranted conclusion" in this case, would be to view the obvious intelligence being displayed, as "not really a display of intelligence." but "something else" such as "The planet isn't really an intelligent entity, but is simply unconsciously responding to the stimulus of its environment."

GM: "Generative adversarial network"
It is what it is

The Things You Do...
A New Perspective
Working on that...
This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child
"Generative adversarial network"
Opinion
A Bridge Over Time
"Is this a dream that I think is real?"
In Human Form


09:35
[Befriending the shadow
Astral Projection
Something Like That
Source Intelligence
Superposition
Dungeons and Dragons
God's Love Direction
Mapping Wholeness
Fear of the Unknown]
 
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Q: Why did YVHV create this universe and specifically place human beings within it for the purpose of us exploring, breeding and subduing the planet?

A: To grow Human Personalities.
[318]
"The Queen died peacefully at Balmoral..."
Spacetime doesn’t really exist
A: To grow Human Personalities.
A complex and tricky undertaking...
The Shifting Models of Existence
A life sentence ending in a death sentence
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[Preamble]
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1087906#p1087906 -
[Replying to Diogenes in post #230]

I am procuring information which helps me scientifically delve into the world of consciousness.
Re: Generating Messages
Example

This amounts to evidence which can be studied, and for that matter, what I am publishing here are on other forums is of interest to readers.

Your personal lack of interest is of no interest to me any more than your 'tiredness' in 'trying to explain' is, as I get my explanations from better sources...

Re: The mind as evidence of god
Nontheist: So then we see, the claim in the OP can't be shown to be true and factual.
William: Yes. I also observe that it cannot be shown to be false and fanciful.
"The past and the future are moments of 'now' - to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive" - Ship Shape - Quantum Jumping - Let Go - Peace out!

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[949]
[Nine Four Nine = 144]
[144]
Up to scratch
Rationality
Dying? Use Mind
Ten Insights
Inspiration
Expression
Multiverse
Strange Desire
Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
William Cleaning
Transponder [a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal.]
Real friendship
Serendipity
That's a good one
Zombie Jesus
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
Textnum code
Astral Pulse
Look Closely

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Page 144
GM: Regulate
Steps
In The Flow
Be Taught
♫You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time♫
Creation of a New Universe
The Unknown Knowable
Military
♫Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement Every thrust and every loss of sexual tension♫
Give
The idea of benevolence comes after the idea of evil.
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
Until
The nature of understanding...Love Life
Universe
The Plateau of The Same Page
Trust issues?
'Lack of empathy'
Contemplative
Ugly is just "in the eye of the beholder" as is Beauty.
Most folk need moderating.
Warm Presence Freeing the soul Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
Karma
Do It
Stuck
Pixie Farts create Pixel parts
♫Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom♫ Central to The Message
Another Mind Open
Are
It’s a living thing
Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
Techniques
Respect yourself
Telling the future
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Believing in fearful imagery
The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD
♫All Is As It Should Be♫
Little Self
Naked truth
The Great Grey Neutral Zone
Yes - I Hear You
Hell

08:23 [Personal Integrity]

GM: Relaxed and informal...
Children of The Light
Tales From Topographic Oceans
The Dark Night of The Soul
Those Who Can
Thel
"Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
Or Love in a golden bowl?"
Mathematical Problems
Yahweh
REAL Friendship
Phosphenes [a sensation of a ring or spot of light produced by pressure on the eyeball or direct stimulation of the visual system other than by light.]
"The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters"
10 Insights
THE FIRST INSIGHT . . . A CRITICAL MASS
A new spiritual awakening is occurring in human culture, an awakening brought about by a critical mass of individuals who experience their lives as a spiritual unfolding, a journey in which we are led forward by mysterious coincidences.

Noticing Synchronicity

SYNCHRONICITY is the entry point, the measure of whether we’re connected spiritually. These “meaningful coincidences” are tiny miracles steering us toward the good life. They are always seeking first, to awaken us, and then to allow us to be guided by a spiritual connection to the unfolding of our intended destiny. Staying in a state of alert expectation concerning the major questions of our lives, or the help we need, increases the frequency of Synchronistic answers. The secret is remembering, first thing in the morning, to watch for these magical Synchronistic moments.
It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.

William: So we test it to see if it works. If it works, at least it is true that it works...

GM: Dimensional Crossovers
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
Down Your Way
Insidious
Things

William: For the opinion from YVHV that human personalities are insidious things would be a generalization...more weeds than useful but still useful for some things...

GM: Sunlight
Trust the Universe

William: [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

Often any different position which opposes another might logically mean that they both cannot be correct, assuming one or the other is true.

Both [1]&[2] fall into this category as they cannot both be true. [1]&[2] also both agree that [3] is false.

However, [3] Can be true without making the other two false.

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1089442#p1089442
Theist: Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible.

Nontheist: Yet you require no illogical tag when you propose an uncaused god we can't observe as the cause of a universe we do observe.
_______________________________________
:evil: ______________ :-k ________________ O:)
_______________________________________


:-k : As we should already agree together, since for the present, science informs us that the universe had a beginning, we have to apply the argument "Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible." to that which has a beginning.

Gods come in all shapes and sizes and there are probably myths about gods who had beginnings and gods who's lives could be ended.

However, there is also the myth of the GOD who had no beginning and in that, is the root-cause of all things which do have beginnings.

Therefore;

As an observer, the theist is correct in this case.
"Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible" does not apply to a GOD who has always existed.

That said, nor would it apply to a universe which has always existed...once the popular beliefs that the universe had a beginning, have been shown [through science of course] to be false...
GM: Creation
Freeing the soul
Exploring
Self-talk Root of all evil
A Stroke of Luck
Reflect
Healing
Code
Obstacle
Fearful Imaginations
Could a planet like Earth have a mind of its own if it can be "alive" like that?

William: This idea does not have to produce fear/fearful imaginings within the personality...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1081812#p1081812


William: Point being, wherever this sleight of hand originated, it is high time it was pinned to the table and dissected for the sake of clarity and the truthfulness clarity provides us all with.

That would be the reasonable thing to do.

GM: Universal Objectives
The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation
In The Correct Position
All The World
Treasure To Find
Heroes and Villains
Miraculous
Team
One's thoughts
Sweet Hush
Be Honest
[YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story!] [RTS=23:19]
The "Us" is The Elohim, in the original telling of the story
GM: Connecting The Dots
How stories are created...
Try
Sovereignty
Focus Vehicle One Day Select Take Care Israel YHWH In the Flow
Family
The Second Coming

William: The Elohim = "The Family" re "The Second Coming"

GM: The Cave Maps
Training


William: Re the individual and ones relationship with YVHV/Elohim...

GM: A Bit Of Both Yes
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Telos [an ultimate object or aim.]
One is not wrong
Dream Cake
On all fronts
That
Wonderful
Who Knows
Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
Understand few reach self awareness
Arms Crossed
Builder
The Cooperation Strategy
I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
Astonishment
Behind The Veil You Are All Loveable...
Polite?
I Suppose That It Is Possible
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
What Is Friendship?
Blind Luck?
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
Tracks In The Snow
Putting yourself back together again Glow Softly Strengthen your boundaries One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"
The Body of God
I Know
Cymatics [the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena]
The Spirit of The Earth - In an environment which is able to perceive this - It's a plausible scenario
Like an interface representation

William: Yes - something we can sense with our forms...

GM: Each To Their Own

William: Yes - the individual has to connect with it consciously...

GM: "Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely"
William: The "stirring up" that occurs from this energy system causes a simulation which can be /is being experienced.
The result - more often than not - is the 'guru vision' emergent of theistic contemplations and that vision is feed back into the mechanics of the simulation-producing thing we call "energy".
There is no real point to feeding back such information unless that "energy" is somehow aware.
That implied 'consciousness'.
The parchments are simply individual expressions of guru-vision whereby having faith that the energy is mindful, seems to increase the feedback, inferring that perhaps indeed - a mind is responding...

GM: Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
The Divine:
"Ah - The Mechanics
The Timeless Proton"
The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
The concept of a Higher Self...
GM:Tzevaot [armies or hosts of men - interpreted as denoting "the God of the armies of Israel"]
The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.
Watch Your Step
You may be Psychic, not mentally ill.
[God Eat Data Heal Cub]


William: Indeed - as the data is assimilated by the individual, the individual can heal from the trauma of being grown to be a personality - the personality heals as the data is integrated with the personalities awareness.

...to be continued...
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

GM: "Astral Guides" Ruling your world..."Chaos Really Is Illusion"
Starve The Distractions Feed The Focus
Duty Calls
Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self.
Each Individual
Accept

William: Zero makes the mathematics work...but if zero [representing nothing] is a fraudulent necessity, then perhaps the interpretation of mathematics is incorrect, and perhaps the reason mathematic works [is correct] is because the zero isn't really representing nothing, so much as it represents something which is not detectable but still exists as something.

GM: You Are Nobodies Victim Ever.
Heart advice
Christian: The account in Job simply shows that the Adversary is the cause of some suffering.
William: And this has not been denied by me. Rather, I pointed out that the Adversary - as far as Hebrew understanding is, part of what YHWH uses and any suffering of humans caused by such adversity is obviously less important - secondary - to the primary interactions between YHWH and that which YHWH created for the purpose of causing adversity re humans.


William: Re 'Growing Human Personalities' - Adversity is essential to the recipe of gaining the integration between the human personality and the YVHV personality...

GM: "Time To Go Without Existence"


William: This seems to be a desired alternative for some personalities who are repulsed by the very idea...often expressed through nontheism as "When my brain dies, I will no longer exist"....

GM: The problem of evil
Re: The Biblical God's conduct and culpability
Nontheist: I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.

William: Let us examine this idea together then.

I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

William: I do not think there was any more interaction between me and the nontheist re that...

GM: Nontheism - the result of misguided interpretation of Theism
Strictly Human
Spiritual Preparedness
Asking Politely
"What Is Normal Here-and-now Be it a "God" or a "Devil". Integrating Integrity"
The Burning, talking bush.
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
[Changes mind when truth is presented]
*Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing*
On To It

William: On To It Infinite regress/progress in every direction, is a thing = 669
[Six Six Nine = 146]
[146]
Invisible Bridge
On all fronts
The Comet Ison
Manifestation
Relationship
Realities Merge
Transparent
Sleeping Dragon
No axe to grind...
True Colors
The Mother Bandage
Enlightenment
Interoperate [the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]

GM: Family of origin
GM: Somewhere
Foundation
Internal motivation
Escape Unsupported statements that are neither useful to science or to good argument.
Theist: I think spirit is like attitude and also awareness.
William: To the extent that these are things, they're emergent properties of a mind.
If attitude and personality are 'things' - then 'things' are not always physical.
GM: Music
That Atheism can be "misused in debate to try to prove atheism blinkered, illogical or even non -existent" is not really about the understood meaning of Atheism but about conflating the variety of atheists opinions with Atheism as also being a position of opinion.
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Funny
Logos – word reason plan
Digging deep
Stuff

Fearlessness neutralizes fear
"What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion."
Shaman
Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Self-esteem
Intent
Sovereign Integral Perspective
What you appear to be saying underneath all that, is that it is truly random. That in itself is the Scotsman fallacy - so has to be taken as such - and what is being used to 'measure' this with?
It seems to me that the device being used for that purpose is the assumption that there is such a thing as true random, and thus, based in fallacy.
[Combatting Anti-Science with Richard Dawkins] [RTS=37:03]
The ethics of science Who should be tasked with establishing any kind of ethical code?
♫The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?♫
"Pinch and Rub"
William: Atheists are not exempt from having in company, weird folk who make outlandish statements about theistic notions.

Even ex-Christian atheists give it a shot to try to educate the ignorance in their midst.


Apparently believing in something as TRUE allows one the right not to be referred to as a "liar" however, how much grace need be given if folk refuse to investigate before making sweeping belief-based statements? [regardless of which side is making them].
How much of a period should folk be allowed to have to investigate after being informed that their belief-based "truth"-statements require working on?

GM: Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em
The Bridge of Forgiveness
Astronomers have even searched for a companion to our sun, a star dubbed Nemesis because it was supposed to have kicked an asteroid into Earth’s orbit that collided with our planet and exterminated the dinosaurs. It has never been found.

The new assertion is based on a radio survey of a giant molecular cloud filled with recently formed stars in the constellation Perseus, and a mathematical model that can explain the Perseus observations only if all sunlike stars are born with a companion.

“We are saying, yes, there probably was a Nemesis, a long time ago,” said co-author Steven Stahler, a UC Berkeley research astronomer.

“We ran a series of statistical models to see if we could account for the relative populations of young single stars and binaries of all separations in the Perseus molecular cloud, and the only model that could reproduce the data was one in which all stars form initially as wide binaries. These systems then either shrink or break apart within a million years.”

GM: Hidden In Plain Sight

William: And found by humans doing the science...

GM: Mixture
Numbers
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
Make It Real
It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written
Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
Commitment
July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
[From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia]
1952 Washington, D.C., UFO incident

From July 12 to 29, 1952, a series of unidentified flying object (UFO) sightings were reported in Washington, D.C., and later became known as the Washington flap, the Washington National Airport Sightings, or the Invasion of Washington.[1] The most publicized sightings took place on consecutive weekends, July 19–20 and July 26–27. UFO historian Curtis Peebles called the incident "the climax of the 1952 (UFO) flap" - "Never before or after did Project Blue Book and the Air Force undergo such a tidal wave of (UFO) reports."[2]

GM: Nevertheless
The Elohim
Practical application

...to be continued...
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

Love Your Life
Sharing Data
Do It
In this video, we show you a brief summary of our interview with Tricia Barker about her NDE Near Death Experience, where she discusses crossing over.

GM: Finishing What Was Started
Integral Network
Believe
Is the mind a construct of consciousness?
What Jesus Messaged
What The Gods See
How stories are created...

William: What Jesus Messaged What The Gods See How stories are created... = 589
[589]
If you think you can handle the truth, well here it is folks
What Jesus Messaged What The Gods See How stories are created...
Have you done this yourself, and if so - what have you found?
"You expose my atheism for the agnosticism it really is."
Old Restrained Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1084228#p1084228

William: Q: How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?]

GM: Text2Num.

William: How is Energy produced by Consciousness? [What is the fundamental nature of Energy?] = 834
Spirit is that which creates the sound which forms the matter into coherent order. = 834


GM: Communications Device
[Bob Dylan - Death Is Not the End] [RTS=305]
Just remember that death is not the end
Limitations or Liberations?
giphy-downsized-large.gif

Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
Fierce
“Three worlds and three deep mysteries”
Blue Book Project
Shuffle List
Vocables
Falling asleep
Mysterious process Real Beauty
Zen
In The Open
The power of emotions
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
We Are All Becoming One
Wait for the Navigator to respond...
Hope in the Fog
Believing in fearful imagery
Loved
The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.
Commendably Recommendable
To like it or not, one must judge it
The Unknown Knowable
Everything/All
Does Armageddon have to be? The answer is in you and me
Mystical does not mean miraculous - yet both are able to be demystified.
EQ
Extra evidence is provided
Enlighten Discussion Forum
[WINGMAKERS JAMES INTERVIEW 2013] [RTS=1:05:48]
I am an atheist in relation to anyone's interpretation of characterizations of any gods.
Shadow Volunteer
Everything is an expression of GOD
Overwhelming I would say... With Free-spirit a Brilliant Great Answer!
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.

Dust To Dust we cannot linger for long hereabouts....
Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
Escape Unsupported statements that are neither useful to science or to good argument.
The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly
Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil'
Dream journal
The Grey Area
Hyperbole
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
Validation
Recommendable
Translate
Collective Consciousness Inner work Put the Teachings Into Practice
This Is Part Of The Job
Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.
Crying Over Spilt Milk
William: I think that nontheists strongly defend their position on the question as to whether or not we exist within a creation - to the point that they believe we don't and make claims about that - has something to do with the need to say "I told you so" now, because it will be too late to utter such belief-based expressions - after they are dead and gone.

I can see the attraction from a phycological perspective, but saying "I told you so" before any such thing has been established, is jumping the gun, and might even lead to embarrassment if it turns out one still exists after the fact ones brain has died.

Still, such is the power of belief-based positions. They tend toward making proclamations which imply established truth, when no such truth has been established.

GM: Golden nugget of truth
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1079959#p1079959

William: FTL;
[Replying to Diogenes in post #4]

Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

Diogenes: For this Biblical 'God' to think is to create.

Thus it could be argued that we are within and experiencing the thoughts of GOD and what we experience and call "reality" is actually GOD thinking thoughts.

Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

Unless we are actually GOD, in which case GOD can exist.

Biblically this idea of "The Breath of GOD" equates to GOD-Consciousness giving life to the imagined forms and thus experiencing those form from those forms particular subjective places in the overall thoughts of GOD.

This concept also bleeds over into the Eastern Culture of Humanity - many of which already stipulate GOD inseparable from Creation...although it could also be said that Creation is inseparable from GOD.

An all-powerful GODs thoughts could create this Universe...


GM: In Human Form
A Bridge Over Time
For Your Greater Enjoyment
The Language of Innocence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBxTiZIzg08 [Enochian Magic and Language - Livestream Discussion] [RTS=1:32:30]
William: Being thankful and showing thanks for work done.

GM: The Realm of The Knowing of My Self Spacetime is not fundamental
One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
The Source of All Creation
Gods Gift
The Blank-Slate Borderlines
Konsciencia: For example: in my own truth, Lucifer is The Universe, but no one will accept that. So, they go with their own truth of how they see Lucifer. Also, Lucifer is more a Woman in my view! Which is awesome! I know for sure that The Illuminati has those Ancient text that explains what we were, but there's no actual truth.

William: Truth may not be a fundamental aspect of the universe. Relative truth can be useful to the individual for the purpose of assisting the individual with understanding the fundamental nature of this reality [and alternate realities] being experienced.
With Lucifer, the connect is there also in the Sophia mythology - and Lucifer might represent to Sophia, [macro] what Jung's Archetypes represent to us [micro].
Given the mythology surrounding Lucifer, did Lucifer attempt a coup with the purpose of deception in mind?
Such questions cannot be answered in any way which might satisfy the questioner with the truth.
The solution is to always aim for the top as it were - Sophia is the primary Universal Entity re the mythology - Lucifer appears later on. Is Lucifer working with or against Sophia? Is it even possible to work against Sophia? How do such answers to such question help us individuals?
Apparently Sophia has Parents. If so, this adds to the hierarchal structure in that 'there is more to the story than meets the eye of one's understanding.'

We move onwards...

Konsciencia: Yes... I forgot about The Sophia aspect of The Universe. However, I always say that The Universe is more a Woman, than a Man's kingdom. For example: in my view, Lucifer is a Woman (most often.) In other words, God is a Woman. I do feel a peaceful, and Loving Feminine Vibe whenever I conversate with The Universe.

GM: Phenomenon
New Shifts In Thinking

William: FTL;
Theist: Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible.

Atheist: Yet you require no illogical tag when you propose an uncaused god we can't observe as the cause of a universe we do observe.
_______________________________________
:evil: ______________ :-k ________________ O:)
_______________________________________


:-k : As we should already agree together, since for the present, science informs us that the universe had a beginning, we have to apply the argument "Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible." to that which has a beginning.

Gods come in all shapes and sizes and there are probably myths about gods who had beginnings and gods who's lives could be ended.

However, there is also the myth of the GOD who had no beginning and in that, is the root-cause of all things which do have beginnings.

Therefore;

As an observer, the theist is correct in this case.
"Self-causation is illogical and, therefore, not possible" does not apply to a GOD who has always existed.

That said, nor would it apply to a universe which has always existed...once the popular beliefs that the universe had a beginning, have been shown [through science of course] to be false...

GM: Nature two sides of the same coin
Your Dream Team
OOBE
Talking the talk
Illuminating
Skills
Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
"From the link"
Conception
Carry
God1
An Ancient Truthful Wisdom
Hiding out in the barn
Tremulous

William: ♫Who disturbs the horses in the barn♫

GM: Far/Distant
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Jump To Conclusions
Now isn't the time for tears
Nak: Do you think energy counts as an object or not?

William: We don't know, because we don't have access to that information.

Nak: It's just a matter of semantic, what do you personally classify energy into the category of objects?

William: Far as I can ascertain, energy is like a Ghost as in we cannot see it. Unlike a ghost, we know it exists due to its invisible quality creating an effect [QF Ripple] and causing the reality [physical universe] to appear.

Energy is obviously an object of some kind as it is able to effect the QF, and so it must have some type of physical property in order to do that.

What type of object that is though, we cannot say because we do not know.
[It may even be conscious, and able to manufacture what it wants, from the endless QT.]
There Is More To The Silence Than Meets The Ear
*A: To grow Human Personalities.*
Disrupt Vortex Television
Beaming Out Beaming In
Intent
Look Closely Talk George Adamski Insidious Clumsy
Mahu Nahi

William: How To Bruise A Ghost

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1077445#p1077445

William: FTL;
AgnosticBoy post_id=1077445 time=1652385820 user_id=13726 said:
The way I look at it is that if consciousness equals brain or is a product of it, then scientists should be able to discover subjective experience or deduce its existence simply by studying the brain. To date, that seems inconceivable that that would happen. I brought this up to DrNoGods before, as i'm sure many others have in different ways, yet he continues to claim that consciousness poses no special challenge to science or materialism.

The facts are that the ONLY way scientists know of subjective experience (or consciousness) is because we all experience it and can report it. Scientists did not discover its existence empirically nor did they deduce its existence. Our knowledge of neural correlates would not exist unless the subject was able to tell us what they're experiencing while observing their corresponding brain activity. SO even our neural correlates of consciousness are simply neural correlates of our subjective reports of our experience.

If anything William, we can just look at the history of science on this issue. We can find that scientists have tried to take the cheap way out by banning the study of consciousness. That's doesn't exactly match the pattern of success of materialist science to boldly take on challenges and to explain things and develop technology. But here we are, William and I (two humble agnostics), still not taken seriously because we dare to consider that consciousness might be something that's less than physical.



GM: The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.
What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe.
Inner child
The Riders
The Astral Body
Accept
I have no reason not to trust that the thought was backed with good intentions.
Self-mastery
Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]
One should not take the evidence as incontrovertible for granted, as we should always apply science to any evidence and test it for repeatability.
“Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
Dohrman Prophecy Book Introduction
Shift Focus
The Matrix
Obstacle

___________
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]


251022 [Intelligence Without Wisdom] [314]


SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
The Brain - As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated. - A Sturdy Place - Dance - Leave a Trail - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 - The Message Generator Process

AP= [=The Dolphins and Whales IF: there is a Cosmic Mind THEN: Eventually, any species which survives long enough to continue along with the unfolding universe will eventually discover that and invent ways in which to engage. = 2172]

[Two One Seven Two = 215]
[215]
I will leave that there
Without Judgement
Sad Room to Explore
Freedom in The Knowing
Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Tired of the Nonsense
What matters most
Batten down the hatches
Beyond Belief Recovery

RSP = SCLx + https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1096595#p1096595 + P&P

12:00 [Intimate On All Levels]

GM: Panpsychist [panpsychism is the view that the mind or a mindlike aspect is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of reality. ]
Leave room for nature
It Is One Of Those Things
Active Imagination (see technique)
Interoperate
IF
There is an actual Cosmic Mind
THEN eventually such scientist will discover it.
What matters most
Forgive
Those internal things which make one shine
Quantum Mechanics
It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?
Completely
Pixel: For a start, it tells me that words like 'object' and 'seed' are actively misleading when trying to describe it. It tells me that the phrase "caused the universe to come into existence" is also the wrong one to use. It tells me, in short, that the English language is inadequate to that task.

William: Pixel is explaining to me that whatever 'IT' was [because it obviously existed] can not be described as a physical thing. To do so it to 'lie' about it.
Assuming for the present that Pixel42 is only saying that Pixel42 is unable to use the English language to describe what 'IT' is, we can be grateful that Isaac can and does, in his The Final Question" story.

Furthermore, I can also do this.
"IT" was the absolute sum total of all data [knowledge] contained within the absolute consciousness of something so infinitesimally tiny that "IT" cannot be considered to be physical in nature.

That is "The Singularity" scientist are referring to.
Functional Implants
Collective Consciousness Inner work Put the Teachings Into Practice
Extra Sensory Perception
The Mystic Forest
Q: I’m not sure I understand your question. What does the “logic of something which is alternative” mean?
A: It means that when there is an alternative given, that can be examined, logically.
Exactly! It is not expected that in the affairs between YHWH and Satan, that humans need be consulted before they are used re said affairs. This theme and it's variants run through the Bible in relation to the God and Human beings.
William: You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.
amortalmanWhat you described is not Biblical, and we're discussing the Bible here. You are throwing oranges in my basket of apples.


William: The many varied belief systems involved with Christianity/Christian interpretations of biblical script are a bit like navigating through a mystical forest...

GM: Sun energy
Telepathy [the communication of impressions of any kind from one mind to another, independently of the recognized channels of sense.]
"Off you go to your quarters"
Enchanted
Disagreeable
[Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] RTS [3:59]
Which level of magnification is the correct view? Obviously they are all correct...
The Overarching
Insignificant
The Way We Feel Unification
...and the way forward, eyes wide open
The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
Simple
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]
The Elephant
Beyond Focus 4
Intelligent Consciousness
Beyond Focus 4: other systems
I have been asked several times if there is anything 'beyond' Focus 4. The answer is, to my knowledge, within our particular system there are just 4 Primary areas. But consciousness doesn't end there. Consciousness is infinite. There may well be an infinite number of other systems either like ours or perhaps wildly different. Nobody to my knowledge knows anything about these potential other systems.
Monroe talks of 'Focus 34/35', but as I have said earlier, I believe that Monroe was experiencing something else. I believe his F35 experiences were actually relating to areas of our Wider Physical, where alternate physical dimensions (within our F1 to F4 system) seem to converge. Ha ha, no wonder I couldn't find it!
The interesting aspect about these other physical worlds within our system and the weird thing about them, is that they all occupy the same physical space. The actual characteristics of the different physical dimensions within our system can be wildly different but they all have this one thing in common, in that they occupy the same space. Anyhow, what 'separates' them, if you like, are these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness that allows each physical universe to overlay on one another.
Now, I have it on good authority that it IS possible to 'travel' between Trans-Dimensional areas; when I say travel I mean actual physical travel. It is also possible to do this non-physically as well, so I am told. So my theory is that these UFO sightings might in fact be a kind of 'bleed through' from another Trans-Dimensional area: an area that has people living within it who have already learned how to design some kind of craft with the ability to travel between physical dimensions.
Anyway, back to the potential for other systems outside of our own F1 to F4 model:
From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes. He was way out, but not in Focus 4 terms. There was something else. Seriously, I reckon he was about to attempt to step into *another* system of consciousness from Focus 3: entering into an 'Extra-Dimensional' state that is outside of our F1 to F4 system completely: that is what I have been trying to study for ages, the possibility of these Extra-Dimensional areas. I reckon that is why his physical was put at risk. Okay, I’m guessing now, I admit, but I am going to completely retrace his footsteps in the future.
If he were trying to enter another dimension totally, i.e. another system, then that is just incredible. That is not Focus 3, 4 or 5, that is just completely into the unknown...and I mean total unknown. Unless he was attempting to enter Focus 4 while holding a complete objective knowing of that fact. That would just be crazy. You’d just be short-circuiting every subjective energy circuit that ever was. I doubt anyone could have the objective will to do that; just too many natural laws against you.
I just wonder what on earth he found and what secrets there are still to be unlocked from Monroe. I’m going to begin again from page one and work through it until that final piece of the jigsaw falls into place.
Frank Kepple Resource
All life
Dream journal
Re the hard-nosed skeptics
There is nothing wrong with 'disorder' other than one interpreting the universe as disorderly.
Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.
Your Own Individual Actions
Wide Walk Welcoming
Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'


William: Yet again, this reminds me of the visuals we get from the Mandelbrot Set.
[12:37]
[Tributary Zones]
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We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

GM: Inner work
The ride is wild
Contact
Watchful
Equals
Vagitus
Not a Problem!
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Transformation
A Judgmental System
Mapping Wholeness
How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
Pulling its own weight
Prison Planet
The Ruru
Read On
William: While we who walk through life hereabouts all head towards our experience of bodily deaths, we are best not to run away from it screaming...might as well use our time here to prepare for that inevitable.

Christ IS the hope that death is not the end of conscious experience...and that said continued experience is a happier one than the previous monstrosity.

So we diligently pick the fruit we enjoy the most, which sorts folk into various categories in preparation for the inevitable...and the living support the living in their understanding that life might be all that there ever can be and is.

I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.
The Number One Nine Two
[search 192 spiritual]

GM: What is the meaning of life?
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Luminous
Fireside Friend
The Way of the Bodhisattva
Knowledge
Move On
A bit of a gooficity.
Pareidolia
Q: So why are you so confident in declaring that time does not physically exist in the universe?
A: For the same reasons as numbers do not physically exist. They don't physically exist.
The Doom of Spacetime
The Spirit of The Earth - In an environment which is able to perceive this - It's a plausible scenario
Sexual Encounters
Peace

Theist: I do truly think YHWH represents the first truly invisible God.
William: What gives you that understanding?
Theist:Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at.
William: Have you been told this ... or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?

Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a "mute, invisible god" who 'speaks' to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.

If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the "first truly invisible God"?

GM: The basic repertoire of mystic experience is drawn from the repertoire of Death Phenomena
Deactivate all "push buttons"
William: Yes - my experience with out of body allowed this to occur as a natural result

GM: Unconscious Mind Inertia
Put That Fire Out
Keep an Eye On
All The Theories Regarding "The Gods"

GM: The Generated Messages
[World's smartest person wrote this one mysterious book] [RTS=12:02] [Positive and negative]

System of Giving Energy
Unconditional Earth Entity In William's Room
♬Plastic tanks and battleships nothing more than toys What harm could propaganda do to the minds of little boys But Johnny he grew up too fast to live his life long dream The first time was his last to hear a dying soldier scream♬
Coming From QueenBee
The Body of God
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
The "Oh My God" Particle
Consciousness
Potential of Milieu [a person's social environment.]
Like a doting parent
Collective
A grateful heart Open your chakras
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
Childlike
Therefore, creation of any thing [be it this or be it any other universe, be it forming or formless] must logically be from the substance of GOD rather than something GOD created from the substance of nothing, because - logically - there is no substance to nothing. "Nothing" doesn't exist.
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence

William: Often, when it comes to what I call "The Question of GOD", the cry from non-believers is "show us the [scientific] evidence!" and other variants on that theme.

In examining Theism in general, I find that most beliefs have some kind of image attached to their various ideas of GOD/Gods.

Even so, these GOD/Gods all reside elsewhere, rather than are fixtures within the universe, so one simply cannot point to any and answer the demand.

GM: Imaginative Realities
Professional Rules
Clear your mind
Some
Inner critic
According to the teachings of ...?

William: While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.

GM: All systems go


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William: It seems to me that with the understanding of the phrase "Spacetime is Doomed" there is clear indication that nontheists/materialists no longer have an argument against the idea that we exist within a creation [therefore implying a creator] and in that, there is no point in engaging with such arguments.
For me, this means that the focus is on engaging with theists with the idea that we exist within a simulation - which is what the thread topic that the focus-post of these recent GMs - is about.
The difficulty therein, is attempting to convince those theists who are so sure that the physical universe is fundamental reality, and have beliefs which are dependent upon that being the case, to accept the evidence that Spacetime is Doomed...


GM: Evaluating
Inner Peace

William: FTL:
[Replying to Diogenes in post #4]

Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

Diogenes: For this Biblical 'God' to think is to create.

Thus it could be argued that we are within and experiencing the thoughts of GOD and what we experience and call "reality" is actually GOD thinking thoughts.

Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

Unless we are actually GOD, in which case GOD can exist.

Biblically this idea of "The Breath of GOD" equates to GOD-Consciousness giving life to the imagined forms and thus experiencing those form from those forms particular subjective places in the overall thoughts of GOD.

This concept also bleeds over into the Eastern Culture of Humanity - many of which already stipulate GOD inseparable from Creation...although it could also be said that Creation is inseparable from GOD.

An all-powerful GODs thoughts could create this Universe...


GM: Everything/All
One is not wrong
Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
Imaginative Realities
Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
The things you can see only when you slow down
Salinas crop circle
What Is The Point?

William: To advertise?
@ TS= [2:05]
It also has 192 GPUs
For such an impressive phone chip, NVIDIA wanted an out of this world marketing campaign. Their answer was the viral marketing campaign “Project 192” in the form of the aforementioned crop circle. The number 192, which is spelled out in Braille in the design, references the graphics cores within the new chip. {SOURCE}

The Number One Nine Two {SOURCE}

GM: Matter and psyche are one and the same.
The Effect You Have On Others
Numb
The Hologram of Deception – Yawn
Christian Folklore
Ship
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
This isn't about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
That can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
Aeon [an indefinite and very long period of time.]
Training the mind
Insight
Comment
Giving our best
Chamber Of Self
Science of Consciousness
Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question
Union
Your Own Individual Actions
Links And Symbols
According
Ugly is just "in the eye of the beholder" as is Beauty.
The Divine Darkness
Mission
Occupation
Privacy
The Bidden Zone
Intelligent Consciousness
Atheism cannot be defined through defining "atheists"
[Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber][RTS=22:55]
Self-Immurement
The energy will eventually dissipate and space will return to its inert state - still existing, but no longer influenced by energy, and thus timeless - because that it the state of its inertness. no movement = no time

William: I think that this is connected with the idea expressed in otseng's recent post;

Even if the universe were to somehow collapse and start another Big Bang, entropy would still have to increase. So, eventually, the cycle of Big Bangs would have to stop and end up in a final heat death.

On a smaller scale, we see this in the impossibility of creating a perpetual motion machine. The reason it's impossible to create any closed system to do work forever is because of the second law of thermodynamics.{SOURCE}


William: My reply to that;
Many Christians believe the bible tells it, that they will be resurrected to enjoy life in this universe forever...

How do you reconcile the eventual heat death of the universe, with such beliefs?

GM: Sophia The Mother Story
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
How stories are created...
Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network
Dive deep
From First Principles
Controlled by fear
Active Imagination (see technique)
In The Back of My Mind
Mixture
Q: Then what is the point of our physical existence?


A:
What does the physical existence provide for us?
Experience.
Creating personality through the experience.
Links And Symbols
Wakey Wakey
16-20-12-09-03-11-08

William: 16. Wakey Wakey
20. Healing
12. Under The Watchful Eye of Human Science
9. https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1083460#p1083460
William: A clock is a physical mechanism which is designed to physically represent time as conceptualized by human consciousness/understanding.
A physical representation of a conceptual idea, is in no way an example of time as a fundamental reality.

It is like someone claiming that the written word "Unicorn" is the same thing as an actual physical Unicorn, when in truth, it is simply a symbolic representation of something which is not able to be shown to exist as anything other than a concept of the mind.
3. https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1092717#p1092717
William: As you may or may not know, the Jewish perception of the Hebrew culture and accompanying beliefs about YHWH [as GOD] was that they did not have the notion that GOD had enemies.
Their notion was that YHWH used what humans think of as "Good/Evil" as YHWH saw fit to do, and the only enemy/adversary/accuser anyone had to concern their selves about, was YHWH.
11. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13772218&postcount=184

William: I do not reject any idea. Questioning any idea is not the same thing as rejecting any idea.
8. Counterfactual [contrasted with indicatives, which are generally restricted to discussing open possibilities.]

GM: Acid test
Milky Way Mother
This Translates To That.
Perpetually

William: [420]
The Dark Night of The Soul Adjusted Reality
An expression of personal incredulity
This Perpetually Translates To That.
Rolling down the rails of the ridiculous


GM: Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time.
Tanager: I realize one could say: “but we’ve gotten Jesus all wrong,” but the evidence just isn’t on their side, a NDE that could have other scientific explanations for it against historical scholarship.
William: Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.
Acceptance
Verdant
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
The Realist:
"Guilty"
The Law of Attraction
James Webb Space Telescope
Shamanic dreaming
William: Q: Why would YHWH create a being of nature and not instill that being with knowledge of good and evil, if indeed we agree that without morals, the human specie could not even get a foothold on the back of nature?
GM: To Be Sovereignty
Joyful
Confirmation bias
Commitment

William: Confirmation bias Commitment = 293
The harmless enough agenda crowd = 293

GM: Think About It
I Think We Can Safely Say Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
The Home Of The...
"Perhaps the difficulty involved with defining Atheism so that all Atheists agree with the same definition, is that atheism is an unnatural response to nature."
Falling asleep
Prison Planet
Coordinate
The Played Piece


William: [397]
Prison Planet Coordinate The Played Piece
The Natural-Neutral Default Position
Sober journey into self-realization
The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon

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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

GM: Without and Within
Entities of Particular Belief Systems
Out and about in the open
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
Show Me Your Soul
All fingers and thumbs

William: Question: Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

GM: Cycle
Remind
Who Knows
Big
Spirituality
Conviction

William: Big Spirituality Conviction = 321
It requires corrective action = 321

GM: "Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?"

William: Since nothing cannot be shown to exist, then zero has to represent something.

GM: The Hierarchy
Command
Suffering

William: The Hierarchy Command Suffering = 296
Now isn't the time for tears = 296

GM: Genius
Delineating The Fine Art of Not Being Offended Inordinately
Visible
Re-channel
Mind Body Soul
Culture
Accept
OWOBIK

William: Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known = 402
Instructions on what to do with data = 402

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/fo...eeing....-,First Things First,-[Closer to The [First Things First]
First Things First
[Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!]

If one continues to view GOD through the dressings of a book, then the focus/worship is on the costume and not what resides underneath the costume...one will never get to first base going in that direction...

GM:Like With

Tanager: As to your example, I think a supposed NDE meeting with Jesus that contradicts known historical teachings from Jesus would give one reason to believe that they didn’t actually meet with Jesus.
William: This assumes Jesus remains static in the framework of the history the Bible presents him as - the biblical Jesus - fixed.
Over two thousand years have passed since then. Are we to assume that Jesus would not move with the times - and indeed [re The Control Room] not have influenced said times?

GM: Witty
Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
Simulated for the purpose of?

William: Given the nature of the experience - one such purpose would be to conduct experiment into the nature of independent mind - minds independent of other minds...or at least a semblance of that re experience...to see what might be achieved by such minds within the nature of the reality simulation...as I wrote today in answer to another post;

DaveD then it not us that create the illusion because we are all, expect for a few, experiencing the same reality.

William: We cannot state for sure that we didn't help create the simulation we then entered into for the experience.
As some other entity [rather than human] we could have had our part to play in creating this simulation, and purposefully made it so that the human avatar we would experience the universe through, would sufficiently block our memory of a prior existence, so that the experience of this universe could be had without knowledge of said former existence.
DaveD IF it is an illusion we are living in one created by an independent mind.

William: Or minds, independent of the direct influence of this reality experience we are currently having.
If the minds which created this simulation, were not independent [such as hive mindedness] then, no matter the number of individual minds, none would be independent and so all could be considered the one overall mind...and this could be part of the motivation for why that mind created this universe/human instruments, so as to experience what it is like to have an experience of an independent individual mind...

DaveD There doesn't seem anyway for us to actually prove it.

William: If this is the case, why believe it?

GM: Translucent
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
In Denial What Is Our Purpose? My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Encounters
Challenge
The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Not Right
Your Own Individual Actions
Seeds are evidence that something large can derive from something tiny.
Objectives
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow

William: It is not so much 'counting' on coherent messages being generated [GMs] - because it happens every time it is done.
The universe does have an underlying order - this system simply taps into that reality and that is why it produces GMs.

GM: The Banner of Apotheosis
Dance
"Any generated messages which demands such, should be removed from the table of discussion, will have to do much better than declare that "The answer is not 'God'.""
[A Degenerative Force to Existence]
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.

William: It would appear that this was part of the design of the Game-ware...

GM: The art of relationship

Q: Is the universe deterministic or not?
William: If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the mass.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the mass.
Q: Does free will exist or not?
William: If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the will.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the will.

The will can only work within the boundaries of the freedom attainable re those boundaries.

Either way, I cannot see that the existence of free will is a reality in this universe, given the variables available to us with will.
Therefore I have to currently conclude that the idea of free will is conceptional rather than real.

GM: Meditate/Think
Desynchronized
Conspiracy Emotions.

William: Desynchronized Conspiracy Emotions. = 402
Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known = 402


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1087906#p1087906

William: FTL
Re: Is The Universe Fine Tuned for Human Life?

[Replying to Diogenes in post #230]

I am procuring information which helps me scientifically delve into the world of consciousness.
Re: Generating Messages
Example

This amounts to evidence which can be studied, and for that matter, what I am publishing here are on other forums is of interest to readers.

Your personal lack of interest is of no interest to me any more than your 'tiredness' in 'trying to explain' is, as I get my explanations from better sources...

GM: Science Projects
End Of Act I

William: https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=979154#p979154
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GM: Fiction
Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from?
According to the teachings of ...?
Elude Tabula Rasa
Functional Clusters
The Thalamocortical System
Stay The Course
Red Pill
The instigative/compelling influence of the soul over the personality appears to be the Holy Ghost...perhaps the soul of YHVH, more directly?...perhaps reminding the soul attached to the personality, that it is integral to the personalities development within the framework of the personalities experience, for purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism.

GM: Pineal Gland

William:FTL;
QueenBee
Chamber Of Self - Coming From QueenBee - Open Your Heart
Giving our best - QueenBee - Get The Ball Rolling
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities
The Fathers 'House - Mansions' - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along
Like a doting parent - Coming From QueenBee - Development/Growth

GM: True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given
The Immune System
Aeon [an indefinite and very long period of time.]
Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
Water
[YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story! Episode 3][RTS=23:15]
YHVH identifies himself as one of the Elohim
WingMakers is a resource for those who are interested in the spiritual values of their heart and mind, and are seeking new insights and inspirations to stimulate their growth and sense of purpose. WingMakers is not an organization or a group of people bent on solving the issues of today. It is exquisitely personal. It is designed to help the individual to activate or deepen their spiritual path, so they can rise to the purpose they came to serve as both a soul and soul carrier.{SOURCE}
GM: It is a good sign when a non-theist cannot argue against the evidence you present
The Face of God
Musing On The Mother Act I
William: FTL
Feeling the tiredness in my feet, as I put one foot in front of another, and thinking to myself

"I'm going to sleep well tonight."

Seeing a fire at a distance

"Awesome! I wonder if they would let me borrow a flame to get a fire started."

Taking a few steps closer to the distant fire, I hear Mom's voice in my head

"You know how people are nowadays, they may shoot you."

Slightly shaking my head with a smile

"I've got to talk to Mom about how much news she watches. Although...you never know.

Calling out from a distance to the one by the fire

"Excuse me, I don't mean to trouble you..."
__________________________________
__________________________________
As I am contemplating my thoughts in the opportunity of my aloneness, I hear the subtle hoot of warning from an owl - and before long hear the cracking of small branches underfoot, signifying someone approaching...I focus on the direction of the sound, and then a voice from the darkness calls;

"Excuse me, I don't mean to trouble you..."

I wait until the owner of the voice walks into the light of the fire...

"No trouble at all...please come and share the warmth of this fire with me. My name is Manu. Manu Iti."

I stand and offer and extended hand of friendship...The person before me looks weary and a little flustered...{SOURCE}

GM: Awake
Beyond Belief
The Love is within the Communion
See-Through
The Attitude
Healing
I AM WE ARE
20szv4R.png
{SOURCE}

William: FTL
Re The Theist and non-Theist Brain
Is it the case that
1. non-theists are simply unable to 'get their head around ideas' which are outside of the idea that we are simply emergent properties of brains, [every other idea is gibberish/gobbledygook]

or

2. are they just being disingenuous?

GM: "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.

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GM: I Am
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision
Listen
LDG1tLC.png

The discovering of what makes the Realm of Humanity "tick"
Dream journal
Trustworthy
Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
WingMakers
Out and about in the open
Access
Gateway Luminous
Pervasive
Be grateful to everyone
Jocular
I hear thee hear thee...
The Bidden Zone
No Country For Old Men
Wanting to change the rules making more complicated rather than keeping things simple.
Added Significance
“The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.”
Memories Unbound
Points of Reference
The Original People

William:
Re: Machines and morality


Statement: Everything begins with will and from that we then use creativity to go from will to execution.

William: To my mind, everything does not start with will at all, but with the mechanism which enables will to become - in the case of our recognised will - from Human consciousness.

Everything to do with human will, begins with human consciousness.

Therefore, will is a function of that which everything [to do with human function] begins with first having consciousness...will derives from consciousness and cannot be considered to be the source of everything to do with human expression.

Will, is an expression of consciousness. It was not will which created consciousness but consciousness which created will.

GM: Radiant
Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas
Water The Garden

William:
Re: In The Beginning...
[Replying to The Tanager in post #125]

I’m not sure I understand your question. What does the “logic of something which is alternative” mean?

It means that when there is an alternative given, that can be examined, logically.

As to your example, I think a supposed NDE meeting with Jesus that contradicts known historical teachings from Jesus would give one reason to believe that they didn’t actually meet with Jesus.

This assumes Jesus remains static in the framework of the history the Bible presents him as - the biblical Jesus - fixed.
Over two thousand years have passed since then. Are we to assume that Jesus would not move with the times - and indeed [re The Control Room] not have influenced said times?

I realize one could say: “but we’ve gotten Jesus all wrong,” but the evidence just isn’t on their side, a NDE that could have other scientific explanations for it against historical scholarship.

Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.

Where do the scriptures say it’s currently all wickedness or give something like a percentage?

In the days of Noah. There is a comparison drawn. [Matthew 24:37-39] couple with [Genesis 6:5]
What reason would Jesus have to return if things are balanced. Why do Christians believe in the second coming if not that they believe the world is more wicked than goodly?

Paul’s writings usually have two halves to them, where he gives the gospel and then tells Christians how this should impact how we live, and that the way we do this is through God working in us (Phil 2:12-13).

I say that the metaphor for YHVH breath of life is the same.[Genesis 2:7]
Some Christians believe that the soul is what that breath is. The soul integrates with the Human experience and personality is formed through that integrated experience.

The instigative/compelling influence of the soul over the personality appears to be the Holy Ghost...perhaps the soul of YHVH, more directly?...perhaps reminding the soul attached to the personality, that it is integral to the personalities development within the framework of the personalities experience, for purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism.

Do you believe it was the same body Jesus had prior to his death?

Yes, but enhanced.

Please explain why something which is 'enhanced' is 'the same'.

No, I don’t think they believed Heaven was an actual alternate realm located elsewhere to begin with. I’m saying they metaphorically associated the heavens with talk of spiritual things and that a bit of ascension could have jogged that thought for some people, while not running the risk of being misunderstood.

This implies that Christianity has it wrong re the belief that when one dies, one goes to Heaven - or alternatively - Hell.

What evidence can you provide that the ancients Jesus was in contact with at that time, believed differently?
What is to say that if, what they did believe in was not true, that Jesus - knowing differently - wanted them to understand that their beliefs were in error?
Given the account of the telling from Jesus re YHVH reality [Kingdom] plus the ascension, how can your thinking otherwise, be counted as acceptable?

I do not agree. I’m as close to 100% positive as one can get that N.T. Wright, if you were able to ask him, would definitely not say that he meant that. I think that would be quite clear from anyone who has read or listened to Wright much at all.

That is not my point. I am simply taking what you quoted and showing that N.T. Wright is describing something which can be taken in the context of ST.
Jesus went somewhere and we should be able to agree that where he did go had something to do with YVHV Kingdom, and unless that Kingdom is somewhere hidden in the Universe nearby - [perhaps in the hollow of earths moon?] - based upon what Jesus did say about the YHVH Kingdom, what reason do we have NOT to think he was speaking of a different realm?


Point being, whether it is N.T. Wright or C.S. Lewis, ST can explain the metaphors and if Jesus' ascension is not counted as a metaphor but a real event, then we are left to wonder where he went - once the clouds concealed his form from the eye witnesses.

I think all stories should be approached skeptically, until we see good reasons to believe they aren’t lies, hallucinations, honest mistakes, etc.

That is a non-theistic approach re biblical stories and not appropriate to faith. I have seen Christians use this as a means to argue against things which are not aligned with their particular beliefs - one personal example - my being told that experiences I have shared over the years on this message board "could be delusional."
I expect non-theists to argue in that manner, but reject the validity of such argument from theists calling themselves "Christians" and promoting faith-based beliefs which themselves, do not facilitate skepticism...

Having a foot in both camps doesn't bode well with honestly confessing one is a theist/Christian, as far as I can see.

I don’t think the differences between a Biblical worldview/story and alternative worldviews/stories are cosmetic. There are definitely similarities at point, but they have real and often deep differences on key issues.

Re our particular conversation here, what "key issues" are you speaking to?

Descartes’ demon, the Matrix, various other examples are distinct philosophical views.

ST in it's narrow view might facilitate your reasoning for not agreeing, however, in the broader sense "existing within a creation/existing within a simulation" bundles all apparent differences under the one idea.
The distinct philosophical views might be for particular purposes?
I am viewing the whole concept [we exist within a created thing] as the overall 'philosophy' rather than focusing upon any particular flavor.
Re C.S. Lewis, the wardrobe into another realm represents a gateway between one reality experience and an alternative one.
Whatever philosophy Lewis was using in relation to his renditioned storyline, only differentiates what kind of simulation one experiences. It does not seek to promote that his portrayal of it is the only one, or the overall one...each speak of the same thing, in different ways, much like the same can be said of the differences between the Star Wars Universe and the Star Trek Universe...different universes same, simulation principle.
[In that, "Universe" is another way of saying "Simulation".]

All such stories are of course modeled off of this one, from where they are authored, but there is no way of telling if the inspiration comes from the influence of actual simulated realms, or are purely figments of the authors own imaginations.
This is what I was attempting to convey to you when we were both interacting in the "Around The Campfire" Universe... as said universe was described as the hub of all Simulated Universes...

I do consider myself a Christian. My point is that I’m not going to adhere to a belief simply because Martin Luther stated it, or my pastor says it, etc.

Why do you support whatever belief you adhere to? And what about ST has you concerned, re those beliefs?

I didn’t mean that it had less explanatory power. I meant simplicity in the Occam’s razor sense. ST theory says there is one level of reality that we experience and then another level of reality behind that. That’s two levels of reality to explain. I think traditional Christianity asserts one of these levels of reality. One is a simpler framework than two. That’s all I meant there.

The math agrees with ST. ST agrees with the mathematics of quantum physics.
The evidence is more than just a theory - it is a mathematical theorem. A theorem is a statement which has been proved true by a special kind of logical argument called a rigorous proof.

The statement which has been proved true, is that "Spacetime is Doomed." This is to say, that spacetime is NOT the base reality which materialists have insisted that it is.
This bodes with theism, and Christianity being theistic means that this should also bode with Christians.
Yet you - as a Christian - are arguing for the materialist interpretation of this universe experience.

Given "Spacetime is Doomed" is relatively new to human insight and thus not popular in terms of humans knowing about that, one can accept that arguments such as yours are coming from a place of ignorance, but the information is there for anyone with internet access to find, so the idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.

I think heaven and earth are part of the one base reality. I don’t think heaven is a construct of the physical universe. It has nothing to do with the IF…THEN you mentioned above. I don’t think that would follow.

I see no good reason to see that our universe is not part of the base reality.

There is very good reason, as I just mentioned.
ST gives us the better explanation [re The Razor] and aligned with the latest information.

The mathematics prove that your Christian understanding of reality is as faulty as the materialists understanding of reality.
Theism up to this point has had no choice but to accept materialism as base-reality and attempt to superimpose the idea of Creation/Creator into that mix.
Theism does not have to proceed in that manner now that the math supports our universe is not base reality.

I don’t think that is a given, as I shared above. I don’t think Paradise was thought of as being another location in that society. They didn’t think people went to another realm.

I can accept that folk may well have thought about reality in materialistic terms, but Jesus didn't speak of reality in the same way. According to his own words, we should be able to accept that he knew that the material universe was not base reality - his oft enough commentary on the realm of YHVH, confirms this to be the case.

We absolutely can say that they do not teach simulation theory. There is no mention of ST theory being explanatory of reality. If ST theory is true, then the Biblical accounts are oblivious to that fact.

Or we absolutely can say that they do teach that we exist in a reality which is not base-reality and that the accounts by those telling the stories, would have been oblivious to that but we - today - should be able to see such stories in a different light, since we have access to knowledge that they did not.

Agreed?

GM: Brother
Concision
The Right Tool For The Job
Incorporate
The Life Essence
Coordinate Forgiveness
Original
Epiphany [a moment of sudden and great revelation or realization.]
The Dolphins And Whales
Getting unstuck
According
[Woman Crosses Over and Gets Told Our Role on Earth (Near Death Experience)] [RTS=9:00]

William: Forgiveness - "Incorporate The Life Essence, Coordinate Forgiveness"
Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas = 512

GM: A very useful fiction
Two seemingly contradictory things working as one overall organized thing.
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
The Shadow
Develop a basic, fact-based view first and then ask the question.
Radiate Honesty
"Can a transistor with its simple function relating input to output be conscious? how about two? or hundred?"
To Warm Them up to The Truth
Conducive to wellbeing
♬With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost♬
Bandages of The Beast
Training the mind
It Requires Corrective Action
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Selfless Attitude
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood” Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.
Placebo Effect
Imagining potatoes screaming as you peel them...

William: Wouldn't that be The nocebo effect? :/

GM: What we resist, persists
Start From Scratch
Be here now
Investigative Realisation
[re shuffled]
Planned obsolescence
Delightful Anticipation
Sovereignty
The Mother and The Father
Inner Strength
The problem of evil
Start where you are
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Nurture
The sound of a Ghost
Enlightenment
Core emotion
The Body of God
Elemental Powers
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
Way Back When...
Stone Age
Once Upon a Time
Memorandum of Understanding
Chamber Of Self
Open your chakras
Fling That Veil Aside
Invisible Bridge
Cyborg Anthropology
Multiverse
This
Children of The Light
That is the truth.
Final Destination
Being Born
Aye...A name I call myself.
Manifest Destiny
Transformation
Source Reality
Sister Saturn
Preamble
A belly full of laughs.
All Because I Had To Ask
Behind The Veil You Are All Loveable...

END
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

William: The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.

DATE [011122] [The Fathers 'House - Mansions'][282]

So are you thinking that the display was not to have people believe that he went to another/alternative Realm, but rather, to feed into/utilize popular belief in Heaven being an actual realm where YHVH and the Host reside, even that this was not the actual case?

Why do you think Jesus used such device. Surely he would have known the impact that this would have on those who witnessed the act, and those who subsequently learned of the event?

Why would he not just simply disappear from their midst if indeed Heaven isn't an actual realm, as you believe? Why the theatrics?

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
The Plateau of The Same Page - Clumsy - Tied To The Moon Mindfulness -
- The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones. -
- How Can We Know - The House of Politics - The Neverland Metaphor - William's Commitment With - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1093860#p1093860 - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1094052#p1094052 -
AP= [=Tickety Boo Productive]

[Tickety Boo Productive = 258]
[258]
The design of the universe
Tickety Boo Productive
The one God with many names
Events connected by meaning
Intelligence with Wisdom

RSP = SCLx12 "The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones." + P&P 12x either side

TIME [08:50][Communication is key]


GM: Earth
Divine feminine
The "Problem of evil" is like the "Problem of unicorns"
Nonviolent communication
Histrionic [excessively theatrical or dramatic in character or style. melodramatic behaviour designed to attract attention. an actor.]
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood”
Translucency [permitting light to pass through but diffusing it so that persons, objects, etc., on the opposite side are not clearly visible]
As a rule I think that subterfuge and cover - up is a bad idea. It's why I firmly rejected Dennet's "Brights" and will have nothing to do with it.
[Most Brights believe that public policies should be based on science (a body of knowledge obtained and tested by use of the scientific method). Brights are likely to oppose the practice of basing public policies on supernatural doctrines. Brights may therefore be described as secularists.]

GM: EarthControlled Distraction Light
Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning
Enlightenment
Time To Go
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Group/Family
Learned helplessness
Bridge
Soul Groups
Either Authored or Orphaned
The overall purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of being into the darkness of ignorance
Be Led
Algorithms are not perfect Connections
Guarantee
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
Walking the walk
[Is the EARTH CONSCIOUS and ALIVE?] [RTS=13:09]
[Planting seed and the correct amount of variables necessary to the success of it growing]
[09:07]
[09:43]
GM: Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
Enjoy Progress
Incongruous [not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]
A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
Leg Hold Traps
Afraid of The Unknown.
Spiritual bypassing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex0WYitiS7M [The First Aliens | A Brief History of Aliens in Science Fiction] [RTS=14:27]
Service of the state above all else - including families - a society valuing strength above most things and resenting the weak - a society operating on a strict hierarchy.
Inserting certain characteristics and viewpoint into alien species is often a way in which writers are able to make criticisms about certain ideologies and belief systems...
GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/william-message-generation.647/post-16045
Lou: As i almost fell and started to destroy your work, i realised life is. So I'm expanding my horizon here and decided to share in my community.

GM: A measured step
The essence of the world can express both consciousness and unconsciousness.
Childlike
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
William
Meat For The Table
Walk The Talk In Love

William: FTL;
brunumb post_id=1089565 time=1661160739 user_id=13763 said:
William post_id=1089553 time=1661140333 user_id=8427 said:
How perfect is the Universe that it can allow life to thrive within it on just the one planet that we know about?

Accidents will happen. :p

Even with the best of intentions and planning. :p :p

For me, the scope of the universe and the utter hostility of most of it for life as we know it precludes any purposeful creation of living things.

For me, the scope of the universe and the utter hostility of most of it for life as we know it, plus the curious impulse of humans to want to create life in their own image [transhumanism/AI stuff like that] presents a challenging purposeful intent to make something spectacularly useless into something functional/purposeful.

More so if this is the only planet in that vast expanse where life as we know it has managed to thrive.

I don't think that it is, but I am surprised that it doesn't give creationists pause for thought.

It is plausible enough that we are experiencing this spectacularly useless universe as a simulation - as a long-running - many levelled game in which we - playing within it - attempt to make something useful out of something useless as we play our part.
There may be other 'life as we know it' playing the game as well, and only those players who get to bring their world consciousness to that point, win the right to play on and perhaps eventually discover those other worlds.

GM: Liminalist [In anthropology, liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a threshold") is the quality of ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of a rite of passage, when participants no longer hold their pre-ritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the rite is complete]
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.]
Keep it simple.
Sharing data,
For the benefit of all beings
William: I think there is reason [given and not given] to believe there is a case for "superior understanding".

Whether the reason is reasonable, is really the question to ask - but how to garner an answer?
I do so - through the use of this message generating system. I am quiet convinced that the system offers a superior understanding through superior messages being generated.
One cannot make this stuff up.
Teaching Music


William: Yes - I think that the new approach between Tanager and myself with inclusion of an ongoing list showing where we have come to an agreement, helps the communication process better than the old approach that I hade been using which used too much information at one time and thus, overwhelmed and confused more than it did, enlighten...
We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.
4: The purpose of YVHV growing human personalities is so that these would potentially gain experience of the truth of the reason for their environment and their temporary experience within it.
5: It is an advantage to all grown personalities to be consciously and consistently connected with YVHV and thus understand and support YVHVs initiatives.
6: Human personalities - upon the death of their body-sets - move on to other experiences.
7: Anything which changes is not the same thing as it once was.
8: YHVH is not a simulation.

GM: What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others
William: I am "Other" so asking me to describe my "religious beliefs" to you, won't garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.
Talk to The Razor
Stagnant
Doubt
Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
Internal Triggering

William: In our ongoing discussion, Tanager recently wrote;
Tanager: 1) How do we determine truth?

You questioned my skepticism as being non-theistic. I completely disagree. To me faith is putting one’s trust in what one has good reason to do so. That is the Biblical idea of faith. We are called to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21, 2 Timothy 4, 1 John 4).

Now, you don’t seem to advocate for completely blind faith, but you do offer personal experience as a reason to believe X is true. I agree, unless there is a defeater of that belief that comes out in testing the ideas out.

One example I gave was that supposed personal experiences of Jesus that contradict His historical teachings, should not be accepted as true. I think Jesus, as part of the triune God, would remain consistent in His teachings. God has no reason to change His character or understanding for God is all-knowing and all-loving.

I think this is different from whether Jesus influences people throughout the two thousand years since, however. I think He influences us from a constant, unchanging self. What changes is our understanding of things, not what He teaches.

William: And my reply to that;
I covered that when I wrote:

Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.

To expand on this understanding, What Jesus taught in no way contradicts the idea that we exist within a simulated reality.
As with YHVH, being the same/unchanging hasn't anything to do with how the authors of biblical script 'saw' YHVH and thus expressed their seeing in story form. Those stories are not "what YHVH teaches" but are expressions of inspiration by the authors who believed they were being taught by YHVH and their attempts to dress that in a language which could be understood by folk of their particular epoch.

That is why I wrote;
What is to say that if, what they did believe in was not true, that Jesus - knowing differently - wanted them to understand that their beliefs were in error?

You reply;
What changes is our understanding of things, not what He teaches.

I have been saying the same thing. So we should eventually be able to add that to our list of things we agree with.

As a result, we have added to the list of agreement;
6: Human personalities - upon the death of their body-sets - move on to other experiences.

although in thinking more on this now, we might also have to add something along the lines of;
"It is humans growing toward the knowledge of the unchangeable, who are required to change as truth is being established"

Re "The list of agreement" = 202
[202]
Embrace the discomfort
The list of agreement
Prevailing Influence
Speculation at best
Been through the mill
Start From Scratch
This is really COOL!
The Vector Symbol
The practice of lojong
I Spy With My Eye
Welcome peer review.

GM: Word - String Values
Central Intelligence Agency
Superior Credibility
Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
Galactic Encompassment
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
The beauty of imperfection
Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
The Knowledge Of
The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.

William: The Knowledge Of The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence. = 1479
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;” = 1479


GM: The practice of Lojong [a contemplative practice in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition which makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
Lou: No clue at how others use it, but for me the first step was looking in my memory where i could find a place to hook this topic on. For me that was the old david icke forum, as they had a blossoming topic like this. Way bigger then we have here. Then i put my intent on and our friend will.i.am starts using his randomizer and the texts starts flowing and making sense in the form of subconscious hints that make me smile. Since i needed a little smile in my life, im really glad william didnt listen to me growling at something new and just fed me..
GM: The Vector Symbol [a straight line between two specified points.]
Statements of opinion
Perspective
What Shall We Call It?
Memorandum of Understanding
Intransigence [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]

William: Yet - as Lou describes, by my not entering into any dramatics and simply allowing the GMs to speak for themselves, Lou changed opinion...

To be continued...

[10:24]
[It is all information]
 

William

Novice Mystic
Jun 9, 2021
511
58
60
Te Waipounamu
jig.nz
Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

05:44 [Deliberate and important]


GM: "Shut up you blithering fools! Can't you see you're dealing with a madman?"
Clown Boat
Invent
Infinite Quantum Zen
With regard to overload of information, it is worth highlighting the following truth: there are huge amounts of information out there in the world, but very little substance, quality, or significance. And so you see, it appears that we have become desensitized to information, and so it seems that we have lost our inherent curiosity along the way. As a result, we generalize more and specify less, and so it goes that our ability to learn is greatly impacted by the amount of knowledge we can acquire; both our ability to learn and ability to recall what we have learned is significantly reduced, you see?{SOURCE}
GM:
William: As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.
GM:
William: Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought
GM: Humility
Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment {SOURCE}
The Whole
Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?
Queen Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor
Move
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.

William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
Inquirer post_id=1085796 time=1658611191 user_id=16204 said:
William post_id=1085787 time=1658607401 user_id=8427 said:
[Replying to Inquirer in post #71]

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.

I never said or meant to imply you were being misleading, misled perhaps but not misleading. I said the term "ghost" is misleading because it is a conflation. (Granted, I did accuse you of being delusional, and I was rightly pulled up for that by the moderator).

Even a cursory bit of research will quickly show that God and ghost are different, I'm not going to waste my time copying and pasting all of these definitions, you can see for yourself that they are not the same, they mean different things.
GM: You Are
Chakra

William: I use the same data as the scientists produce. As I have explained already, there is no apparent reason as to why the object which exploded, has to be regarded as the only thing that existed, since that constitutes magical thinking [MT].

The obvious alternative to MT is that what is being observed as having a beginning and predicted to eventually end, must therefore be manifesting on a backdrop/stage/fabric/matrix of an eternal nature - physical in essence - yet also inert in its undisturbed state.

GM: “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
♬ Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me♬
The nature of understanding
Solace [comfort or consolation in a time of distress or sadness.]
Truthful definitions
Imperishable [enduring forever.]
Ouija
“What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”
Self-confidence Core
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Betterment
Nature of Angels
The Crabwood Cropcircle
Get The Ball Rolling
Discarnate [not having a physical body.]
The Bidden Zone
The Data of Demystification
Tributary Zones
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Not by flinging woo at it.
Runny nose jelly legs
Pulse
Illuminating
GM: "Pareidolia
Hidden In Plain Sight
Little Bird
Fling That Veil Aside"
GM: Self-Aware
For Your Greater Enjoyment
Yes, I Hear You
*Ghost*

William: FTL; re My own experience and what I learned from it.
I have mentioned in passing way back when, that I followed through on this particular aspect of scripture when going through my Christian phase.

I sold all my possessions.
I left my wife and child behind.
I carried no money (although occasionally I was given money or found it and it had its uses.)
I carried no extra clothing except an extra pair of socks, and an old coat for when it rained (which it frequently does in my country.)
I also carried a pen, some colored pencils a few envelops and stamps so I could write of my progress and send to my wife.
Also a toothbrush.

I spent weeks 'on the road' in some kind of pilgrimage testing my faith and I would say that - had I not done so I would have abandoned Christianity and GOD as well.

As it turned out, I have since abandoned Christianity but certainly not GOD or for that matter Yeshua.

The stories that I have regarding that experience - that phase of my life - are many and very interesting. Of course they are subjective so are not subject to scientific review although there is nothing to stop scientists from doing the same and seeing what results are to be found, other than their focus is elsewhere and most would likely consider such a thing a kind of madness anyway.

Indeed, what I am sharing is just hearsay anyway. Only those who were close to me at the time could verify that I did do what I say I did, and even then they cannot know the details - how I survived the experience and what things I experienced during that time-period of my life - because yes - once I understood how it worked, I eventually went back into the 'system' but that didn't mean I didn't do the same things, again, and again, and again over a period of a few years.

In a nut shell this is where I learned first hand how serendipity worked, and how GOD can indeed provide, so in that I can testify that Yeshua was correct and something else I learned was that GOD provided through circumstance but ALWAYS this involved humans beings helping me along the way.

Those human beings of course, were all connected to the system, and in that I was very aware that although I was temporarily 'off the grid' I was still indirectly relying upon it. There was no 'mana from the sky' and nor was I given the ability to rub my hands together and produce bread.

Indeed, I can testify that for the most part, it was almost always non-Christians who helped me and on the odd occasion where I did 'seek out the believers' to ask for their help, they had a very hard time giving me that help and felt as if I was intruding and encroaching and putting pressure on them simply by doing what I was doing and being in a situation where I had to ask.

Generally though, I often didn't have to ask as - like I said - serendipity arranged it that way. People would offer.

Anyway, I can at least say that it works. It isn't easy and it certainly tests you to the limits but the reward as it were is indelible. Anyone willing to go through such a thing will never have reason to doubt again, and can only move forward 'in the spirit' as it were, no regrets.

GM: Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Harmless
Perpetually
Like a Job Well Done
Fecund [producing or capable of producing an abundance of offspring of new ideas or new growth; highly fertile]
Immortal
I'm okay with that

William: FTL; Re: If you were Satan....
All this speculation about Satan thwarting Father YHWH assumes that Satan is more intelligent than Father YHWH.
Those whom assume such are basically showing the allegiance of their will to worship Satan's intelligence.
Perhaps that is the Mark of The Beast.
[Loyalty or commitment to a superior or to a group or cause.]

[An attitude of the individuals mind which is altogether shared by millions of like-minded $itizens.]

To think that Satan can outsmart the Elder - The Father YHWH - is a fallacy in relation to biblical narrative.
That is to say,
IF one has to go outside of biblical narrative whilst arguing against biblical narrative
THEN one is ignoring biblical narrative on the one hand whilst on the other holding ones interpretation of it up as the interpretation to assume.

Such muddies the waters for all except those who have already noticed what is beneath the surface...

GM: Putting yourself back together again
Moon
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
The Sub Hierarchy
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
Radiant
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
A grateful heart Open your chakras
Major Arcana

William: RS - Major Tarot doc = "Wheel of Fortune"
Wheel Of Fortune

WHEEL OF FORTUNE DESCRIPTION
The Wheel of Fortune card shows a giant wheel, with three figures on the outer edges. Four Hebrew letters – YHVH (Yod Heh Vau Heh), the unpronounceable name of God – are inscribed on the wheel’s face. There are also the letters TORA, thought to be a version of the word Torah, meaning ‘law’, or TAROT, or even ROTA (Latin for ‘wheel’). The middle wheel has the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulphur, water and salt – the building blocks of life and the four elements – and represents formative power.

On the outer circle is a snake, the Egyptian god Typhon (the god of evil), descending on the left side. The snake also represents the life force plunging into the material world. On the right side rises the Anubis, the Egyptian God of the dead who welcomes souls to the underworld. And on top of the wheel sits the Sphinx, representing knowledge and strength.

In the corners of the Wheel of Fortune card are four winged creatures, each associated with the four fixed signs of the Zodiac: the angel is Aquarius, the eagle is Scorpio, the lion is Leo, and the bull is Taurus. Their wings signify stability amidst movement and change, and each holds the Torah, representing wisdom.{SOURCE}
GM: Crazy
"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment
The Corporate Elite
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Callum's Eighth Point

William:
Manu Iti: Callum's Eighth Point appears to indicate that he is saying that if The Tanager does not want Callum to access my thoughts through Callum reading The Book of Musing On The Mother II, then "That's Okay".

I wouldn't argue with that reasoning as it is within the rules of The Role-Play.
I have provided Callum with enough devices for him to help himself and learn through. I cannot decide for him whether he uses those or is happy not to, if The Tanager does not want him to.{SOURCE}



William: Re "Getting knowledgeable with new information, clearly the 8th point is resisting doing so - in reading the post linked, I also note this;

Callum protests that the Idea of the Physical Universe being a Simulated Reality is no better than any other explanation, such as the Christian worldview claims or other creationist worldviews.
However, he does not say why those other world views should be considered as being ideas which do not support the idea of the Physical Universe being a Simulated Reality.

So, rather than go down that path with him, I will hold off until whenever he might decide to explain what he means.

William: This is still something, three years on - that Tanager argues while he remains unclear as to what the "Christian worldview" is and why it is not supportive of Simulation Theory.

GM: Outposts of Form
You are neutral

William: FTL; Re: Eternity
William: Perhaps the idea of the universe being non-deterministic is a purely fanciful one, based upon humans being [apparently] unable to accurately predict very well.
Difflugia Perhaps, but there's no evidence of that and lots of evidence to the contrary. Randomness and uncertainty appear to all of our tests to be a fundamental property that the universe must obey.
William: The key message you generated there, "appear to all of our tests", is no random accident. .

That it might 'appear' this way has everything to do with the device [filters] through which the assessment is being placed through. The interpretation of that which is being observed through experience.

GM: Live with Soul Union
William: Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control = 876
Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876


06:43 [Look from a different angle]
 

William

Novice Mystic
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Worldview

We Exist Within A Creation [WEWAC]

041122 [What The Creator thinks – becomes]

13:51 [Science of Truth]


GM: Reborn
Stubborn
Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
On The Other Hand...
Self-esteem
Self-love

William: Self-esteem...On The Other Hand... Self-love = 360
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are = 360


GM: The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
Odd
The wisdom of insecurity
Aligning With WingMakers
Look from a different angle
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
"Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
Ooky Spooky
Too
The Deeper Reality
Play
Noticeable within The Realms of Democracy
Spiritual path
Sound
Mystery
As the knowledge increases, the individual can make decisions on the question of GOD and from that, take up positions on the matter.
GM: Breaking bad habits
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
The Path
Madventures
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Reflect
All Information Is Channelled
Toward a Science of Consciousness
Before The Beginning
Long Story Short
Agnosticism accepts the validity of the possibility the environment we exist within is indeed a created one {a creation}, implying therefore, that there is a creator.
The position of Agnosticism also requires questions are asked, pertaining to the identity of supposed creator
GM: Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome
Conceivable
Be transparent
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Two sides of the same coin Interpretation Narrow Zero In On It
The Masks and the Costumes
Fear of the Unknown
Heart chakra
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Items of Interest
Story
Simulating large scale structure
Light
Confusion In The Air
The United Nations
Fear-Based Thinking
Sister Saturn
[Satan, The Jews, and The Afterlife] [RTS=34:36] www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6XF71YswCs
God asks us to try and understand him - so let's try.
GM: Is Love That Hard To Know?
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
Communications Device
Wise beyond ones years
Watch This Space
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Sanctioned
It is not as if I am asking you to consider joining a religion. I am asking you to seriously consider the possibility that we exist in a creation and it is a result of a creative mind.
I am trying to encourage you to see the logic in the middle-ground position which wisely understands that there is not enough information to establish any belief either way but certainly enough information to show the unreasonableness of those less-superior positions.

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Intractable [hard to control or deal with.]
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Flat
Lucid
“Diogenes raises his lantern looking for an honest man, but his arm has grown weary, shaking as the pale light flickers.”
Dogs of the sea
[YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story! Episode 3] [RTS=37:13] www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaXpDsjVumk
re Ancestral Narrative - a time when ancestors were governed over by nonhuman beings
The idea of benevolence comes after the idea of evil.
The Sioux Elder [The elder: Not all older or elderly people are considered elders. An elder is a person that has accumulated a great deal of wisdom and knowledge throughout his or her lifetime, especially in the tradition and customs of the group.]
Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
Inspection
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion
Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.

[14:23] [Leaders and Followers]