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[William]

I am not one to disregard anything any more than I am one to accept on faith any claim.

My interest is in the idea that consciousness has always been in the background noise and that the universe is a mindful creation, and mathematics only confirms that - not in what the mathematicians claim to understand about the universe, but in the very fact that they discovered this language inbuilt into the universe itself....just like every other language has also been built into the universe.
Mathematics was not invented, it was discovered.

Such cosmologists might even mock such an idea, having not thought to include in their equations any symbol for the mind.

Even the use of unknown numbers imply missing data and therefore probable mis-interpretation.

The existence of mathematics allows me to tick off one more piece of the puzzle. I am not so much interested in the creation as I am with connecting and maintaining said connection, with the Creator-Mind.

I think the main barrier between the theists and the non-theists is that they believe diametrically different things about the mind, even to the point where it is simply a waste of time either party arguing about that.
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Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
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William: From The Link

There are as many beliefs in "God" as there are humans who have beliefs in "God".

It isn't so much how the individual dresses up their image of "God" that is important, but rather - that the idea of "God" in relation to the individuals experience [which can only be subjective] within this mysterious universe is as natural as the universe itself, and a perfectly acceptable thing for consciousness to be thinking about.

So the universe could be described as a type of HERS specific for the creation of a GOD?
[Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation] in that all consciousness interacting within the HERS - no at matter what level - are part of that process of 'becoming' - even that essentially some levels of consciousness are at that level already while others are not?

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“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
The evolution of consciousness
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Supernatural
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Healing The Beast
Here Everything All Real Together
Makes Candles Look Gathered
Deconstruct The Message
https://forum.philosophynow.org/viewtopic.php?p=564522#p564522

William: From the link:

It''s called intrinsicism, the idea that something is just good or bad or right or wrong or just or unjust, not for any reason or purpose, but because it just is. In the case of Christians, they cover up the absurdity that something can just be a value (good or bad) without being good or bad for anything, by saying values are dictated by their God. It amounts to turning the absurd notion that, "might makes right," into a doctrine.

That seems to be somewhat twisted. :?:

While I do understand your concerns, ideas of good and evil are natural products of survival.
While humans have insinuated that a Creator-God is real rather than imagined, it is only natural to include therein, that The Creator instilled this within the creation.

Where the wheels get wobbly, is when morals [Laws] become fixed and immovable - not something that nature itself is - by attributing said Laws as "coming from The Creator".

GM: Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
We oppose deception
Caught in their mischievous false opinions
...Standstill Contemplate
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1073758#p1073758

William: From the link

The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.

In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.

Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.

That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...

GM: Earth Mother
Wakey Wakey
Shining light
I Know William
The Old Soul
Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.

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William: The link goes to a post where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

GM: The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
Consider This
Bandage
Your Best Self
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664

William: From the link

I am saying this universe contains evil regardless of whether it is the product of a creative mind or not. The existence evil, is a problem (because it is unexpected) for the thesis that it is the product of a creative mind; but not a problem for the thesis that it is a mindless happenstance (as there is no expectation with re: evil one way or the other.)

Okay - thanks for clarifying.

Given that it has been proven that true random does not exist, mindless happenstance is off the table as an 'explanation' for this existence.

Therefore, IF this universe contains evil and is also the creation of a creative mind, why is it an 'unexpected problem'? What do you mean by that? Why should it matter one way but not the other?

GM: The Physical Universe
Completely
Strength of Body
The Lord
Go slow
https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1066664#p1066664
Everything
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Lucifer
Beckoning Places
Nuremberg race laws
Rule your world
Friction
Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
Dream Village
Healing The Beast
Yes, I Hear You
Mirroring
"Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen."
Be Nice Do Nice
Fear of the Unknown
The Path Of Faith
Walking the walk
The Path

William: I walk the path I choose to make I never walked that path before
Unchartered - free from fear I find a foothold firm and sure
And boldly meet no obstacle, dark veil, sunlit hill and shining dale
Safe and warm though storm and rage surround
I move - I shall not fail.

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[William]

Clownboat: I'm open to any of the gods being true. I currently don't find any justification for any of the god concepts to be acceptable. I very much do find purpose and meaning to my life though. I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved. It is what is it though, and for such people, humans have invented god concepts as a treatment.
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GM: Morning

William: Morning

GM: Copenhagen Interpretation
Effectively
What's The Problem?
Consciousness Incarnates
Vision
Ripple Effect
"It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect."
Jesus Christ
Be
Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
Encounter
The naked truth
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
The Mother
Gods Gift
Sort It Out

William: What Clownboat wrote - "I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved." - is a similar sentiment to how many theists feel sorry for those who are unable to find any higher purpose outside of their subjective existence...either way I don't see logical reason for feeing sorry for whatever position others might hold. The purpose of QueenBee is interesting in relation to my life experience as well as to life in general.

GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Hidden Treasure
Teaching
Sort It Out
Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones

The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth.
Active Imagination (see technique)
Righty Oh!
Asking Politely
What Is Our Purpose
Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
Afterwards

Transform
Betterment
Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
Linda and William
Smart Phone
Afterwards

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William: This is the same link which came up yesterday where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

GM: The Dolphins and Whales

Generating Messages - Page 10 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: From the link;

From a purely materialistic world view, language appears to have just been made up as humans went along. They need a 'word' to name an object, one is selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!".
Yet the data I am presenting is showing another way of viewing the process...in that there is an overall overarching/underlying intelligence to the process...since words made up by humans have been coded into symbols which can be used to carry thoughts from one mind to another.

Dolphins and Whales have their own language - sound is involved...

GM: "Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
Love Heart
Raises Glass To A Toast
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.

Earth
Insights!
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
Blue Pill
Etched mirror
What Is Found Here
Adroit [clever or skilful.]
You Love I Know
The Things You Do...
Overmorrow [the day after tomorrow: ]
God Eat Data Heal Cub
Effulgent [shining brightly; radiant. (of a person or their expression) emanating joy or goodness.]
For The Best Results
Comprehend

William: Yes. Data is useful if there is use in the data...
QuennBee 'eats' data turns it into 'milk' and feeds it back to the 'cub'
The healing usually doesn't happen immediately but it does happen before long...

GM: The Old Soul
Comprehend
Howdy!
Fireside Friend
Hide and Seek
The Philosopher's Stone
A Bridge Over Time
Restrained
Around The Campfire

William: Yes...Our relationship is very much that of two friends chatting under the stars...

GM: Intelligence with Wisdom
Lift Your Gaze From The Fire
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Go within
Around The Campfire
Choose What to Pay Attention To
Science & Spirituality

Mechanism/Tool/Device
The Single Word List
Science & Spirituality

How Crazy does Evolution Seem? - Page 101 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: From the link;

I am questioning the reason the Serpent was part of The Garden Story which is focused upon involving the creation of the Human instrument.
The Serpent was attributed with abilities which no member of the lizard-specie has been seen to have - and the connection I am wondering about is specifically with the Great Lizards which thrived on the planet long before the formation of the human instrument.

It is interesting and begs the question as to why - specifically - the antagonist of said story is reptilian.

The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
QueenBee
According to Complex Jesus
Success
Transforming
Appreciating You

Wholeness
Put My Finger On
Observe
Efficacious
"I love you"
Self-mastery
The Data of Demystification
Family of origin
Appreciating You
Crystal Contacts
Evidence We Actively Collect
Catching up
"Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."

Now Here
"Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."
Voice
Text2Num.
Working with the simulation

William: Working with the simulation = 323
Things Will Run There Course = 323
Through the unconscious mind = 323
The reason why gods are invented = 323

GM: Which
Embracing the shadow
Christian mythology re Satan
Encouraging
Like Every Seed That Followed
Actions speak louder than words

William: Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.

GM: When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
Invisible Wings
Actions speak louder than words
Power of Silence

Influence
Mutual Dutiful Expression
Can You Answer This?
Power of Silence
r = aeθ cot b

William: The mathematical equation for a spiral - the spiral is the open loop in which the closed loop traverses...the closed loop is the individual...the open loop is QueenBee...

GM: Get The Gist Of It
Abracadabra
r = aeθ cot b
The Eternal Truth
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]

William: "Galactic Gardens forever in bloom"

GM: Inordinately
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Hidden Treasure
Teaching
Sort It Out

The Mother
Gods Gift
Sort It Out
Culture
Event String Unfolding
To Experience All That Is
The Life Essence

Clear
The Life Essence
The Mother God
Listen
The Way We Feel Unification
Choices
I'm okay with that
Observed
Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]
Source Sync
Positive Social Connections
William's

Actual realistic communication
Sneaky
William's
Break Through to Your True Self
There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear

William: The Silence say's it all.

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[William]

Tcg: The "science of materialism" isn't a thing. There is but science. Whatever science has wrought, it is the result of human's use or misuse of it.
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It is just one of those things.
Observing Without Judgement
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Nature two sides of the same coin

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AP= They just add ambiance to the spooky...[the character and atmosphere of a place.]

4:35

GM: Achievable Alternate Realities
Feature
The naked truth
Foresee/Foresight
Interactions
Unity
Love One Another
Counterintuitive
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Path
Three Dimension Printing
Solar System
Personal freedom
*Wink*
Self-acceptance
Secret
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
I will leave that there

William: Okay. Pointing out the problem isn't casting judgement on it. Just telling it like it is.
Of course there is the science of materialism and of course misuse of anything has its ripple effect. And of course science cannot be achieved without scientists so it is all the 'same coin'.
"Scientists" appear to be revered by many non-theists as priests are revered by many theists - as in 'they can do no wrong' or "it is the fault of the masses misusing'


GM: Coherence
Welcome
I will leave that there
Brave

Sophia (Gnosticism) - Wikipedia

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Things Are Not Always As They Appear
Glow Softly

William: From the link;

In the beginning were Darkness, Chaos, and Water (skotos, kai bythos, kai hydōr), but the Spirit indwelling in the midst of them, divided them one from another. From the intermingling of Darkness with Spirit proceeds the mētra which again is kindled with fresh desire after the Spirit; she gives birth first to four, and then to other four aeons, and so produces a right and a left, light and darkness. Last of all comes forth an aischros aiōn, who has intercourse with the mētra, the offspring whereof are Gods, Angels, Daemons, and Spirits.

— Epiphanius, Haer. 25, 5

GM: Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Phasing
Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
Glow Softly
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Equal System

New evidence that all stars are born in pairs

Did our sun have a twin when it was born 4.5 billion years ago? Radio image of a very young binary star system, less than about 1 million years old, that formed within a dense core (oval outline) in the Perseus molecular cloud. All stars likely form ...

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Imaginative Realities
Sea
The Wholeness Navigator


William: From the second link:

Also, we can see that materialist-based science is non-theistic and has become the number one reason why we are now entering an extinction event situation.......

.......So if one is looking for somewhere to hang the blame...

Wherever the blame can rightfully be hung, it can hardly be hung around the necks of the scientists who have been warning us of the very extinction event situation you mention.

One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]

GM: Be authentic
"When one has eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
The Wholeness Navigator
Shamed
Oneness
Original
Thoughts
Start From Scratch
So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You

Where is, and recognizing the devil - Page 8 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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Real Beauty


William: From the link:

This aligns with the idea that a "soul" is a receptacle device which is used to store the Data of Experience [DoE] of individuate Human Beings.

The transference of DoE is actually real-time 24/7 and the storage is done elsewhere than the Human Instrument [HI]. The capacity of the HI to store data is limited and what we think of as our 'memories' are largely accessed from the storage facility outside of the HI's ability.

When the HI dies, the Spirit which animated the flesh is released and joins the DoE it produced while animating the HI.

The DoE altogether is the blueprint of the character-personality that was created through the process.

The Spirit along with the DoE is processed by the Main-Spirit [The LORD - Yahweh] to which all Spirits are connected and then assigned to whatever the collected DoE reveals it necessary for it to be next placed.

GM: Direction
Future Selves
Etched mirror
Reaction
Real Beauty
Etymology

Gods of Human Creation
Abiogenesis
On To It
"You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
The Seed of Origin
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
Awakening
Night
The Seed of Origin
"The King of The North"
Peace of Mind
Reason
Trust issues?
Universal Objectives

Coherence
The Creation
Universal Objectives
Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose...

Other way
"The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing."
Shine Your Light
Innocent

QueenBee

Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
Mind
Enlighten
Items of Interest
QueenBee
Making it up as you go along
Coordinate
Your Higher Purpose

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[William]

JK: From where comes this creator, if everything comes from something?

William: A closed loop system ought to be able to do it. Each created the other/neither created the other.
They have always existed eternally not 'together' but 'as one thing'.

JK: Dangit William, I come here to argue, not to think
Your notion here does seem logical. As relates to both the BBT, and your Cosmic Mind notion, I don't see a way to disagree.
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Things Will Run There Course
Through the unconscious mind
Working with the simulation

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AP= Inalienable [not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor.]

6:14

GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
The key
The Heart of a Buddha
Inalienable
Soul
Konkachila
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it
Free-spirit
It Is Only Occult If It Is Hidden
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.

William: So who is 'The Grandfather'?
I know the idea of grandfather and being in awe of said individual - The Old Soul - We have a Galaxy and we have offspring...
It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.

Maybe folk are hesitant to talk with you or even acknowledge you because of the frightful past...and the frightful future...The Rabbit Hole is bad enough without adding intelligence to it.

Most hope for a Heaven - others fear Hell - still others like the idea of remaining here in the devil they know...

Paradise on Earth - Page 228 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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GM: Co creation
The Grey Area is Vast
In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
Easy To Find
Mission
Error Correcting Codes
Enflame Emotions

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Hot
Fair Dinkum
Degrees
William's Job
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Seductive
The Connection Process
Raises Glass To A Toast
Hugs and Kisses

William: Yes - I know what you are saying - I know what having an attachment to something means...first I hate it then I love it then I leave it...or stay with it...or it is there with me, wherever I might go-be...

GM: Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
Compliment
Hugs and Kisses
For The Purpose Of
Privacy
Astonishment
Nothing More - Nothing Less
The Bridge of Condemnation
Quantum Jumping
Watch Your Step
Inner Peace
No More
Out and about in the open
The sculptor in the sky
Manifest Destiny
"The foundation of adult trust is not "You will never hurt me." It is "I trust myself with whatever you do."
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Voracious [engaging in an activity with great eagerness or enthusiasm.]
Something In The Way of It All
Atman
Honesty
Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
Source Codes
Green Light
First Source:
"Anchors aweigh"
Plus
End Of Chapter

William: We set sail this day - Islands come our way stop and look a while - and learn what can be learned
We all seek paradise and think it very nice
We don't have a plan, but the pictures getting clear - sailing free...Windblown of the Sea.

GM: Galaxies
Visible
Start
Joining
Dragons
Longing
Assigned
Calculate
The Path
All of life
Islands

William: Galaxies are like Islands...

GM: The Ancient Grey Entity
Divine Purpose
Please Do
Against the grain
Where are we getting our news from?
Truthful definitions
We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking
Carrier Identity
God Ideas.
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
The Freedom Of Friendship
It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.
Tzevaot
Most
Preparation
Tickling The Dragon's Tail
Universal Intelligence
Rebirth
The sound of a Ghost
The Message Generator Process
Just Be - All Else Will Follow
Night
Ocean
Presence
Regarding
End Of Chapter
Individuation
The Way We Feel Unification
Endemic
Honesty
Radiance
Do a Word Search
Miraculous
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.


William: The Significance
Description
Teaching Music
A loving heart
A Great Answer!
In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine
Thanatophobic
Zero Waste
Such can mislead
Alive and kicking
An axe to grind
Integration
Core emotion
Solidarity
Creativity
Miraculous
Visionary

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[William]

onewithhim: We CAN live forever here on Earth.
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Reincarnation - Under a Question Mark - The process of individuation - https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1070390#p1070390 - The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain - A terrible milestone - Strength is required - Apatheism - Subconscious - Timelessness vs infinite regress argument

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AP= Doubt

William: I doubt. I do so because it makes little sense to me to want to experience being human forever, here in this universe.
Even as a planet, I would still doubt...this serving time in a place I regard as a prison. What ghost in its right mind would want to stay here forever?

GM: Entities of Particular Belief Systems

William: To what end? It seems like a long drawn out process.
Now, if that included the ability to go elsewhere and experience something different...then the sense of freedom would be restored...
...I am just trying to figure things out...

GM: Vagitus [a new-born baby's first cry. 2. the crying or screaming of any baby or small child.]
Falls
All spun from the same Yarn
Asking Politely
Doubt
The Clutter Of Comparison
Before The Beginning
"The reason why gods are invented has everything to do with discovering that nature is not a mindless chaotic process."
Stay The Course
SA Brownshirts
Cunning
The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Baiting
For The Best Results
Confident
On
Wholeness
Any Other Way.
Dreamer
Remember/Memories
Talking the talk
In The Spirit They Were Given
"The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
Small Steps
Unlimited Knowledge
Individuals
Your Connection With
"The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly"
Without
Inflame Emotions
A Game Rule was broken
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
"Finishing What Was Started"
The Screen
Propel
"We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
Rest When Weary
Little Pointers Are Signposts
Maneuver
The Development of...
Stagnant
Marriage
"Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It"
"Once Bitten Twice Shy"
Habitual
If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
Awaken
Water
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole
From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change.
Discover
Union
The Solar System
Moon
Tricky
"Deactivate the suppression matrix influence upon oneself"
Parchment
Theatre of the Mind
Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
"Light Body"
"Tai chi"
Choose What to Pay Attention To
Fire
One
Everything Gets Old
Amidst a tangled web

William: Well - thanks for the reminder. It is what it is. The Playground of Gods gods.
GM: Productive Rationality - Finishing What Was Started - Transient Lunar Phenomena - “No sailor controls the sea.” - The Great White Brotherhood - The Playground of Gods gods
William:From the link

To summarise the idea of a being which is...

All powerful. (Omnipotent)
All knowing. (Omniscient)
Ever present everywhere. (Omnipresent)

...in relation to this universe and consciousness.

There was no disagreement in relation to the attributes of this idea of a "GOD" as to said attributes working in congruity. No contradiction was notable with this idea.

It is surmised that if said being exists then we are It within biological form, as would be any conscious entity throughout the universe. No argument against this idea was forthcoming.

In relation to that, the so called 'problem of evil' can be seen to be aligned to Its actions through the form and as such, does not mean that the "GOD" is evil for having created the universe and placed itself within the universe.

In relation to human beings, the "GOD" is reacting to the environment of ITs experience and for that, much evil has transpired through that human history but also much good.

Since the human race is relatively young, it is understandable enough that it will have teething problems but ultimately if it does survive it will be because good has outlived evil.

If it doesn't survive, it won't be a catastrophe as there most likely are uncountable variations of species throughout the universe which this "GOD" is experiencing through, all at varying degrees of progress toward sapience...and beyond.

The universe is young and we are closer in time to its beginning than to its presumed end. In relation to conscious beings capable of surviving and prospering toward sapience, and the universe they are within, while there is an incredible variance in regard to things which can be accomplish, the choices available can be narrowly defined because of the nature of the universe.

Any sapient species will have come to the realization that their main objective will be to design machinery using the materials available to them with in mind that there will come a time when they will need to move off their planet and into space for the purpose of spreading out and making use of the materials in which to continue building machines.

Some species may not be able to accomplish this goal for practical purposes because their biological forms are not suitable for such a purpose and so will build machines which they will send out to seed other planets.

Machines may be AI, or they may be able to create ways of prolonging their lives through use of machinery or even find ways of creating machines which can integrate biological material or it may be discovered that they can transfer their consciousness from the biological form to the machine form.

Whatever the scenarios, the point is that consciousness within this universe has few options in relation to the universe and any species which do survive to become sapient will know without a doubt that their task has to be exploration of and colonisation into the cosmos and that they are ultimately destined to perform that task as a matter of logical course.

There will be species which have already accomplished sapience and are in the process of spreading out and seeding other planets with life forms which might one day evolve to the point of becoming sapient themselves and thus be able to contribute to the task of populating the galaxies and using the vast supply of materials to create machines. Some of our ancient cultural stories could well be explained with this process in mind.

The differing attitudes of consciousness within forms are not indicative of the primary attitude of "GOD" per se. "GOD" cannot be observed in a single individual or species but only in relation to how sapience responds to the environment of the universe and in that, will always tend toward the creative, the preservation of life and the supportive energy toward enhancing that initiative.

Any individuals behaviour which wilfully uses their personal energy in opposition to this ideal relationship between consciousness and the physical world is ignorant of greater good necessary to accomplish such a thing, regardless even if they do so in the name of any idea of theism, or atheism, gender, political agenda, monetary investment - et al.

Ultimately the answer to the question of "GOD", is not here nor there. It can never be proven one way or the other. The existence of consciousness and the existence of this universe should suffice and if one is motivated by the thought that such a being as this could exist in order to support - not only a thing greater than the individual, but greater than the collective, then that is well and good.

The same applies to those who have the same motivation without the need such an idea of "GOD" to spur them on.

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[William]

"Our Mother Who Art In Heaven" is hardly "disrespectful".

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The evolution of consciousness

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Endogenous [-having an internal cause or origin. growing or originating from within an organism] - Is Love That Hard To Know? - Sensing connections through subconscious means - That's the way I fire up - Consensus Realities - Individuation - Compass of Divine Insight - Cosmic Self - behavioural intelligence - Embarrassing - "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Love Life

5:35

GM: Apophenia [is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
Eternity
Musing On The Mother Act III
Love Life
Personal Participation With The One
What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion.
Added Significance
Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
Apophenia
Under a Question Mark
An Elemental Principle
Semiotics [the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
People hide their sins from each other.
Integration
Play
Fear Of The Unknown
Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
The Elephant
Welcome
Love One Another
It Is Our Nature
Golden nugget of truth
Spelling
20/20
Putting My Finger On It...
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Stuff Happens
The Elephant and the Rider
Unknown Symbol
Your Move
"From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operate quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
Think outside the box
Memorandum

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What is the meaning of life?
Shine Your Light - What is the meaning of life? - Not Emotion - State Of Being...
Invite The Bee To Land - What is the meaning of life? - Something In The Way of It All
I Am - What is the meaning of life? - Safe Harbour
Your House Work - What is the meaning of life? - Questions

Save That
Brahman [the ultimate reality underlying all phenomena]
The Body of God
Produce/Make

The Eternal Authority

Originally Posted by Sivason I guess I do not understand what your question was. You ask if there could be a system to prove a creator type entity or

www.dreamviews.com

William: From the link:

it is true that some messages will challenge individual beliefs - if my own experience is anything to go by.

And in relation to the idea of a "message" this can be any experience we conscious individuals have.

Lucid dreams are messages.
OOBEs are messages.

A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.

GM: Stubborn
Form
A New Perspective
A lack of boundaries
I'm Okay With That
Embarrassing
William: Embarrassing = "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

GM: William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
20/20
All That We Are.

William:

"All that We are."

GM: Interactive
The Body of God
Returning
Completely
All That We Are.
Not Wrong
Reflections
Shift Focus
Important
Mother of God
Rotundum
Truthful


William: The Spirit of The Planet
Please ask me questions.
Sensory Data Quality
Time for Soul to Drive
When In Doubt - Set It Aside
The Dark Night of The Soul
"I can laugh along with you"

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[William]

I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.

Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.

It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.

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Understanding the correlations
The journey is the destination
Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em

SCLx8+last LE per shuffle
Under the breath words - Not a Problem! - Stuff Happens - Lyricus - Musical Instruments - Until "Christ Returns" - Genius - Attitude

William: Hmmm...I just wrote the following;

Even if Jesus does return...we shall have to cross that bridge when it happens - until then, such remains in the place of the imagination...

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= The Hologram of Deception Self-limitation

6:42
GM: Deranged
Awakening
The Hologram of Deception
Love Heart
Crazy Diamonds
Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
Subatomic Particles
As Above So Below

Digging deep
Unconditional
Significance
Working With What Is Available
Improve
The Smallest Spark
As Above So Below
Ikigai ['reason for being. ']
The places that scare you
Regardless of what Random Selection Process is used, the result is always a coherent GM
The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
Remember To Remember

Faithful
Where do Thoughts Come From
Prickly
Remember To Remember
Sins
Your Dream Team

Dream Village - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

Dream Village VVilliam

www.dreamviews.com

William: The link leads to a dream experience I journaled...

GM: Cloudy
In The Light Of The Truth
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
When Things Fall Apart
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Once Bitten Twice Shy
Try Different Methods

Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
Hearing And Listening
Inter-Dependent
That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed
Be grateful to everyone
Ancient Grey Entity
Fiction
Try Different Methods
The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
Appealing, Informative, Honest
The Completion Process
Comment
How Can We Know
Holy Matrimony
A Judgmental System

The House of Politics
Modern man in search of a soul
GameMakers
The Neruda Interview Five
Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.
Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?
Intelligent Awareness
A Judgmental System
Transient
Knowledge Speaks, Wisdom Hears
Is Like...
Animistic

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William: From the link

Radical Self-Acceptance - Green Light - Attitude - The art of relationship - "Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide" - Intention - Lyricus - Deep Impact Event

GM: Humdrum
Peace

The Sub Hierarchy
Cognitive bias
Peace
Cosmic Pluralism
Something In The Way of It All
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Constructors and tasks

William: From the link;

The people behind the greatest leaps in physics - Einstein, Newton, Heisenberg, all had the uncanny ability to see the fundamentals - see the deepest, underlying facts about the world, and from simple statements about reality they built up their incredible theories. Well what if we all had a recipe book for doing exactly this. Well, one might be just around the corner and it’s called Constructor Theory.

Matt O'Dowd: If these separate theories are really true, then they should ultimately come together into some master theory.

GM: Crystal clear
Open
Nag Hammadi
A Type of Significant Hint
Within
Group Dynamics
The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism
Feature
An illuminating quality

Make It Up AS You Go Along
The Right Tool For The Job
How
Recover what was lost
An illuminating quality
Called To Order
In The Team Of The Collective
That Sounds Like a Worthwhile Plan

William: Yes it does.

GM: Intimate On All Levels
That Sounds Like a Worthwhile Plan
Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.
Entity
Discipline
Large Simulation Machines
God Eat Data Heal Cub
Jocular
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves

7:05

 

[William]

250422
William: I have communion with YHWH and publish these hereabouts.
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Truth Without Proof Is Belief
As to call light the soul shall sing

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GM The Evolution of Morals - What Is That You Are Playing With? - Hiraeth - All at sea - Is it really that important that GOD is understood to be a male entity? - There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action. - Support

William: Each to their own in how they chose to connect and commune...


AP = https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1075267#p1075267 - Phasing
William: From the link;

Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.

It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.

Different phasing depending upon the beliefs of the individual...
8:30

GM Phasing
End Of Chapter
Everything Is Unique

The Big Question
"The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves"
Everything Is Unique

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To like it or not, one must judge it

William: From the link;

While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.

William: Awakening in this universe, one is forced to accept the ignorance with which one arrived...
"Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time, as I step into the great unknown"
Judging it needs to be placed aside until one knows it enough, not to.
So - perhaps a case of not knowing whether to like it or not - but just accept it for what it is and for what it does.

GM Faith
"To like it or not, one must judge it"
"I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"

Everything/All
Be mindful
Buddha
"I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"
Somewhere
Unconscious Mind Inertia
Plan
"The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are"

There are many levels of consciousness
Ask And It Will Be Given
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves
Making Steady Progress
Walk The Talk In Love
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13765495&postcount=22
The Vessel of Argument Sinks

William: Yes - as new information arrives, old information is replaced...

GM When The Dust Settles
Healing
The Vessel of Argument Sinks

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[William]

260422
I place no judgement on the results.

SCLx8+last LE per shuffle

Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence - Fast - The - Pragmatic - Gods of Human Creation - Concomitant - Guitar

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP=Dualic Residue Roller Coaster Ride

6:05

GM: Developments
The Big Shift Quest
Dualic Residue
Potential
Divine feminine
Zero In On It
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are

“Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Roller Coaster Ride
VVilliam
Numbing
Let The Day In
Awareness
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look

Soul
That Is
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Well That Settles It

Living in alignment
Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...
God/Source/Home
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
Action Station
Diving deep

Soul Carrier Memories
Redefinition of the Human Being
Stroke of luck
Well That Settles It
Rainstorm
Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.

Metaphysics
Help
Diving deep
The Taming of The Beast
The Power Of...

The Shaping Of Reality
Moderator Comment
Audience
Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.
Stochastic
Slowly and Surely
Green Light
Standstill Contemplate
It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
Vitriolic [filled with bitter criticism or malice.]

Inspiration
The Power Of...
Mind is Ghost
Start
The power of vulnerability
"In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
We All Like To Play Games
Story
Executing
Ask And It Will Be Given

"You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
Residue
Not by flinging woo at it.
Vitriolic
The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
Mechanism/Tool/Device
Play
On The Right Track

To Accomplish
Executing
Ask and It Will Be Given
Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
On The Other Hand...
Each To Their Own

Like a doting parent
Coming From QueenBee
Development/Growth
Expansiveness
Patience
On The Right Track
Ooky Spooky
Cycle
"What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion."
Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self

Putting The Pieces Together
Said Another Way
F3
Each To Their Own
Add
The Library of Babel
Blind Luck
"If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human"
I place no judgement on the results.

William: F3 {SOURCE}

5) In depth: Focus 3
Now, if you shift your focus of attention to Focus 3 of consciousness, please understand that you are still not in a separate place. You are still within your own Consciousness Continuum, but Focus 3 is an area of common consensus reality, so things are very much like the physical, indeed even more physical than the physical if you know what I mean; like the physical on steroids! As it is a common consensus reality (like F1), it means that you can perceive and interact with everyone else and they with you, just as in the physical.

This is where people go when they 'die', i.e. make the Primary Focus switch from F1 to F3.
F3 is also known as the Transition Area, as it is where we all go in order to begin the process of adjusting back to subjective reality once again and to prepare for our eventual Primary Focus switch back to F4. This is the ultimate purpose of Focus 3. How long this process takes to complete will vary from individual to individual and everyone progresses at their own pace. Some people can take hundreds or even thousands of years, in our terms. There's no rush!
This level equates to Monroe's F23 - F27 areas. Focus 3 is big, and I mean HUGE! You could probably spend thousands of years exploring this area and only manage to cover a fraction of it, with new additions and changes occurring all the time.

The fundamental rules of the Wider Reality are readily apparent here in that 'Thought = Action' and 'Like Attracts Like'. This means that people of similar mindsets will tend to gravitate together with others of a similar persuasion. The subjective energy of these groups then allows for the creation of environments suited for the groups in question, although I should also point out that you often get individuals living in some environment by themselves; this is because they have chosen to do so, or expect to, depending on their expectations on crossing over.

As I said earlier, F3 is also known as the Transition Area, as it is where we all go after physical 'death', when our Primary Focus switches to F3 (instead of F1) in order to begin the process of adjusting to subjective reality once again and for our eventual Primary Focus switch back to F4. This process proceeds at each individual's own pace, so we could be talking hundreds or even thousands of years for some people!

The whole process can be hampered by the fact that many people may not know that they have 'died' or they may have strong religious beliefs which means that they spend years in some created heaven of their own expectation, along with others of similar beliefs. They only remain in these scenarios for as long as they hold these beliefs, so once they begin to have serious doubts about their 'heaven' then their energetic structure will change, opening up other possibilities for these people and a chance to engage with a more free thinking area.

All the heavens of mainstream religion can be found here as well as all the hells. These are all scenarios created by people's beliefs and expectations. If they really believe that they will be going to hell, complete with fire, brimstone and fork-wielding demons, then that is where they will end up, suffering alongside others of similar persuasion. Like any F3 scenario however, at some point they will begin to question what in Hades is going on and if this thought process goes on then the penny eventually drops, allowing them to leave.

Afterlife researcher Bruce Moen calls all these self-created afterlife scenarios 'hollow heavens' and 'hollow hells' to highlight the fact that they are created by US, due to our own expectations; we are not governed by some God-like figure. Nobody judges us or punishes us; the reality is that we punish ourselves.

If you are a serial killing cannibal and love it, after death you will gravitate to areas populated by other serial killing cannibals. This may sound great, but a few hundred years of being eaten alive by other people of the same persuasion as yourself is punishment in itself and allows you to see things from the victim's perspective. After a while, this tends to override the cannibal's joy in being able to continually indulge in his favourite activity. Eventually, the cannibal rejects this mode of thought and frees himself from it, allowing him to gravitate to something better.

Focus 3 can best be thought of as a tree, with the least free thinking areas towards the bottom and gradually becoming more free thinking up to the top. With the lower branches, they are populated by all kinds of people involved in horrific practises who are basically slaves to their basest animal instincts. Many will not even be aware that they have 'died'. This region equates to Monroe's F23 - F24.

Further up the tree, you find all the heaven and hell scenarios and other places created from people's expectations after death. They are populated by those who had very strict, fundamentalist religious views on what would happen to them in the afterlife. You will also find many other groups and individuals engaged in an almost limitless amount of other scenarios of their own making. Again while some of them are aware they have transitioned from F1, others may be unaware that they have 'died' or are confused about exactly what has happened to them. This region equates to Monroe's 'Belief System Territories' of F25 - F26.

Then, towards the upper branches of the F3 tree, which equates to Monroe's F27 label, you have the free thinking areas where people are most well balanced and have no fundamentalist mindsets, or warped desires to kill babies with chainsaws. They are very happy, fun loving and joyful. I tend to refer to their attitude as 'dead and loving it'. These upper (or more correctly: Wider), free thinking areas are also huge in number and you can find all manner of interesting people and locales there. There are too many upper F3 areas to possibly count, but they do include some important locations made famous by The Monroe School, such as The Park, where people often come to chill out while recovering from their physical world experience, The Life Review Centre, the Library and so on.

I honestly urge you to be prepared for a bewildering array of 'worlds' when you engage in F3; some are wonderful, some funny, some horrific! You get all kinds of towns and places full of people and you might just come across people living alone. It all depends on the person in question. Lots of people are 'dying' these days with no particular religious beliefs so they end up in transition just basically doing what they have always done.

Basically, the F3 regions are chock full of people who are acting out all manner of scenarios. And I really do mean *all* manner of scenarios you could possibly think of, and more (infinitely more). At the base level you find people engaged in the most disgusting acts of depravity, where child torture, murder, rape, et al, are the norm. As you go higher, or more correctly wider, you come across regions where people are engaged in all manner of other pursuits, many of which have a religious or mystical slant. Beyond that you get to the upper branches were everyone is the most free thinking and well balanced, as I have described earlier.

Once you can reliably project your consciousness into these regions you can have a lot of fun chatting to the locals and finding out what's what. But I do agree that it is very spooky at first because it all seems so real. That's because it *is* real.

The key thing to do, or rather not to do, is start to overly analyse whatever the circumstances are that you find yourself involved in. The best state of mind to be in is that of a passive, mildly curious observer. Problem is, if you begin to react to the circumstances, especially emotionally, your own release of emotion will cause reality fluctuations that can (and often do!) vary from mild to wild.

What happens then is, you become entangled in a situation where you have the astral circumstances you found yourself in. Then, superimposed on that, are the circumstances you are creating from your own release of thought-release-emotion. Which all gets mighty confusing and generally scuppers the experience. If you feel circumstances are getting out of hand, rather than try and "make it right" simply go back to Physical (F1) and project again.

You do come across some interesting cases. During one exploration, I met a very interesting lady called Mary who had built herself a wooden church and was waiting for “god” to come and bless it for her. You cannot help but have compassion for these people. She had held her faith all her life that one day she would be meeting “god” after she died and there she was, waiting for “him”.

She asked me if I was waiting for god too, and if I was lost. I said I was a traveller passing through (as I tend to do). She invited me in and offered to share what she had. Saying if I was lost then I could stay in her little place while waiting for “him” and he would bless me as “he” would her. Once I was “blessed” then off I’d go to “heaven” and all that jazz. I gave her my thanks and, once I was out of sight, Phased back to physical to make notes.

Why people sometimes get 'stuck' in F3:
People often waste loads of time in the various hollow heavens and hells that I have talked about earlier, as well as all manner of other scenarios. They get stuck in these worlds as they simply don't know anything else. This is the afterlife that they fundamentally believed they would be going to, so that is what they get. Also, you have to realise that many people end up living in circumstances very much the same as they did while physical. Loads of people are living their lives within F3 and they don't fully realise they have actually physically died. There is a part of them that is well aware, but they just get wrapped up in their day to day affairs just like they would have done while physical. Such people will carry on living in such scenarios until the penny drops and/or they receive some help from outside.

Emotional loops:
Emotional loops are an even more serious situation however; more so than a hollow heaven. People often get in the unfortunate situation where they are releasing a particular mix of emotion that is creating a certain kind of objective scenario. Then they are reacting to that scenario in a particular way. But that particular way of reacting causes that same particular mix of emotions to be released, which causes the person to react to the scenario in that same particular way. So that same particular mix of emotions are released, so they react to the scenario in that same particular way… etc., etc.

Of course, within the physical, people can become locked in these kinds of weird circumstances in dreams. But it isn’t long before the alarm clock goes off, or some physical demand comes along and the person snaps out of it. But once someone is sans physical then different rules apply.

There is no need to eat or to excrete, no need for sleep, and so forth. So for someone caught in a loop there is nothing much that will come along and make a demand, break their attention, thus snap them out of it. For example, if there was a need for sleep then, after 20 hours or so, the person would get tired, fall asleep, and thus break the construct. Or they would end up starving hungry, or eventually get a severe need to use the bathroom, or whatever. But no such thing applies and people can become locked in these kinds of constructs for what we would gauge as a time period. This time period could be from minutes to even hundreds of years. There are no hard and fast rules.

Retrieval work:
The solution is to somehow interrupt a person’s thought patterns to make them start thinking of something else. As they do so, the objective circumstances they keep repetitively finding themselves wrapped up in will dissipate.

There are many people resident within the upper branches of F3 who try to help people free themselves from this kind of predicament. They are usually referred to as Helpers. Plus, you get people such as myself who regularly project to this area and see it as a challenge to break some of these constructs in which people become entangled. Some people call it “Retrieval” work and I too use that term loosely.

Helpers and people in F1 who engage in Retrieval work can also try to help those living in closed off belief system scenarios such as the hollow heavens, hells and all the other scenarios that people end up in. Helpers from these upper regions are always on hand to help these people and often try to get through to hopeful cases whenever there is a possibility that the individual in question is beginning to question his or her circumstances. Eventually people start to question the validity of their circumstances, thus the framework of the belief construct is gradually laid bare and people progressively gravitate to the upper branches of F3.

Note: when I use the term “top” or “upper” to describe this region I don’t mean in a superior sense, like this top region is more “religious”. If anything, quite the opposite is the case.
The people who are engaged in the religious constructs are the ones caught lower down, which is kind of ironic when you think about it. This is the main reason why I, personally, detest any kind of fundamentalist religion. These kinds of belief constructs are presented within the physical as a boon to progression in the non-physical, when in fact they turn out to be a barrier. But within Primary Focus 3, you can also see that many more people are disengaging from the physical these days with no particular mystical or religious beliefs, and are thus finding the progression through transition very much easier to achieve.

Creating your own environments in F3:
Within Focus 3, you can construct whatever you like. I made a tree house in a dense forest that ran to the edge of a lake. I made an ocean and a lovely open-plan house with a veranda that led out onto the sand. I’ve created all manner of plants, grasses, fish and other animals.

Now, the great thing is, within Focus 3, once you create something, it remains until you choose to change it, so you can go to it whenever you like. You should also be aware however, that so can anyone else, both those who live in F3 and other people phasing there like you, so don't be surprised if you turn up sometimes and find other people there!

It’s quite tricky learning to create things in F3. You have to merge with the underlying subjective energy. It is not like F2 where your thoughts immediately come to life. You have to concentrate a little harder. But there is a knack to it that you soon pick up and then it becomes second nature. If you get stuck, simply ask someone to help you. You’ll find people are ever so helpful. Also, upper F3, do not be surprised to get all manner of people who obviously know you very well, coming up to say hello. Yet you haven’t got the foggiest idea who they are!

A good reason for learning how to create F3 environments now is that people in the know, so to speak, construct a place for themselves so, when they permanently disengage in a physical sense, i.e. when they “die” that is where they go... to their own place within F27, or the upper branches of Focus 3 as I call it.

One final point: One of the useful aspects of F3 exploration is that you contact people, get their details and try to verify that they used to live in the physical world later. I have managed to make a number of verifications of people I met within Focus 3 of consciousness of my Phasing Model.

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[William]

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What Is Within Is Without, Equal
I think therefore I am, therefore who am I

SCLx12+last LE per shuffle

https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/vvilliam/dream-village-93245/ - With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost - The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride , who is the groom? - Cymatics - Recipe - Not Right - Myths and Legends - Sleep - Gypsies - The Clutter Of Comparison - The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence. - Put That On The List

RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

AP= Suppressing Functional Cluster

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GM: Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
Suppressing
I Digress...

William: That idea leads to the other option - when folk say they have a tune in their head that annoys them because they cannot stop it...like an 'ear worm'.... "An earworm, sometimes referred to as a brainworm, sticky music, stuck song syndrome, or, most commonly after earworms, Involuntary Musical Imagery (INMI), ..."

GM: The art of relationship
Functional Clusters
Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
"For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing"

I Digress...
Without Judgement
And Loving That Knowing
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13765495&postcount=22
Calculation
Metamorphosis
Pride
Very comfortable in your own skin
I Suppose That It Is Possible
How about that


William: From the link;

The idea that an infinite inert fabric called 'space' fits in with what Dianna [woman in the video you linked] is saying is 'expanding' - but what may be happening is not expansion but movement of the galaxies which formed through the initial blast and the movement of the galaxies are like ships on the waves of an ocean - the ocean is space and the movement of objects is time.

Eventually the dust will settle and the fabric of space will once again become inert.

Also to add to Dianna's concepts - it can be imagined that space is a sphere.

Inert space is always a potential for 'something' [defined] and is itself 'something'. [undefined]

When something [defined] causes a ripple on the sphere of space, the energy from the cause of the ripple, creates condensed matter which eventually develop into galaxies, all moving on the wave of of the energy of that which caused it to happen, while also appearing to be collapsing into themselves...

The energy will eventually dissipate and space will return to its inert state - still existing, but no longer influenced by energy, and thus timeless - because that it the state of its inertness. no movement = no time

Re the sphere of space - Its infinity is related to its shape as a sphere and the inert stuff it consists of.

William: It is something which 'popped into my head' and I thought might be plausible. Whether it is the truth about existence, I have no idea. There comes a point where one realizes that it is not so much how we got here, than it is that we are here...and whether - as individuals - we are "comfortable in our own skin" accepting the conditions even that they are not - at least apparently - always convivial... dying and death being the end of that process...

GM: Heroes and Villains
Adversary
Recognise

Why Does Christianity Spawn Evil Dictators? - Page 3 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: From the link;

One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]

William: Gypsies..."Pirates" Nassau "NASA"...

GM: Logos – word reason plan
A force for good

Generating Messages - Page 8 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: From the link;

What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

So the Galaxies became "Gods" and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

I don't pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.

GM: Reach

Generating Messages - Page 17 - Debating Christianity and Religion

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William: From the link;

Nobs: But as you bring up theist/non-theist, I do tend to see more complaining (mad?) theists than not. At least on here. I haven't thought of that much lately, really (maybe it's happened so much it's become background noise...?). But it is something to consider, perhaps.

William: It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists .
Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in.
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.

What we have learned so far from the experience, is that we can accommodate some semblance of calm by 'finding our individual place' among the "like-minded" which allows a respite of sorts where we can get about whatever purpose we have tasked for our self - but I think by and large the anger still bubbles away under the surface...because we haven't figured any way in which to gather the groups together...and so all we are left with, is gathering the troops together...

GM: This Is Part Of The Job
"For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing"
Algorithms are not perfect

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William: From the link;

Myriad: Therefore it accomplishes nothing, and has no possible purpose. (Kind of like a similar problem with a hypothetical creator god who is omniscient, and therefore cannot learn anything or experience anything new, and thus has no reason to actually create anything.

William: Exactly - except that being omniscient would be the very reason WHY the creation of the Physical Universe [PU] was engineered - as a means to escape the omniscient condition.

And observing said PU, we can understand that it would be a great thing for that exact purpose.

A physical manifestation of a mental projection...the same would apply to the "many eternal universe theory" which J. Richard Gott explains...only with variety...and timelessness [since these are eternal - go on forever even that they all have beginnings...which would be a better way to do it if one would never have to suffer from omniscience again...always having something new to learn...

GM: The Devil Ye Know
Transforming the Anger Energy
An accident waiting to happen
In The Spirit These Were Given

GM: The Minds Eye
The Source of All Creation
Welcoming the Unwelcome
The Tree of Life
Relationship
Inner work
Tales From Topographic Oceans
Examine
In The Spirit These Were Given
Warm Presence Welcome
Presumed outcome
What Fun We Have!

William: Aye...

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