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Multicolored Lemur

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24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If any man would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man, if he gains the whole world and forfeits his life? Or what shall a man give in return for his life? 27 For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

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And we know that’s just not true.
 
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This is a true statement from Jesus. For starters, the word translated “kingdom” is the Greek word Basileia and it means “royalty”. Here is Strong’s Definition:
βασιλεία basileía, bas-il-i'-ah; from G935; properly, royalty, i.e. (abstractly) rule, or (concretely) a realm (literally or figuratively):—kingdom, + reign.
In the very next chapter we read chapter 17:1-3:
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Peter, James and John all three saw Jesus in His majesty, in His glory, in His royalty. Just as He had said.
 
We also need to remember that when the scriptures were written, they were not written in chapter and verse form. Therefore, if we look at how Matthew wrote his epistle it would look like this:
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

So we see there is no contradiction nor error in the written word.
 
Jesus, as presented, was an interesting mix of end-time preacher and zen master. On the zen side, he’s saying embrace the wonder of life right now, appreciate other people right now. I personally would add “flaws and other.”

So, a real person , but a lot of stories attached to him.

He was a thoroughly alright guy murdered by the Romans when they didn’t have to … so of course people are going to take about Jesus for years and years.
 

“The predominant scholarly view is that it was written in the last quarter of the first century by an anonymous Jew familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture.”

meaning from 75 AD to 99 AD, or thereabouts
 
Jesus, as presented, was an interesting mix of end-time preacher and zen master. On the zen side, he’s saying embrace the wonder of life right now, appreciate other people right now.
This is a false claim. Jesus never suggested anyone embrace the wonder of life. Jesus said we must repent of our sins and believe in Him to even have life.
 
Wow, so we don’t even know who wrote it.
We may not know for certain who penned the words, but we know for certain who authored it. God did.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.