JK: I'm still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I'm answering myself.
That last bit's an interesting bit itself.
I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.
_____________________________________________
090822
One Language Intelligent Network
SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Opening Doors Easy To Find - In Detail - Source Intelligence - Narrative warfare - That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process. - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13761868&postcount=918 - Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright. - Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast... - Wife - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13765495&postcount=22
AP= How stories are created... "In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us" [= 1975]
[One Nine Seven Five = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Gospel of Judas
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light
RSP = SCLx1 Page 1 & Page 11 & Page 111]
05:36 [Ancient Grey Entity]
[Page 1]
GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process
Witch Woman of The Cat Realm
ComList
Leave a Trail
William: ComList Leave a Trail = 197
[197]
Selfless attitude
Quantum Jumping
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Making Up Stories
Breathe In Breathe Out
Genetic information
That is the truth.
The sound of a Ghost
Don't forget The Mind
Two Sixty Nine
A belly full of laughs.
Presence Telepathy
One One Zero Seven
GM: "I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God."
Beckoning
[Folk get so hung up about the little stuff]
"You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
While We All Wait....
William: "The little stuff" can sometimes appear to be large...What is Webb Telescope showing us when we enlarge The Small? That there seems to be an endless supple of it throughout The Big.
This reminds me of the discussion between Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins where Neil asks Richard about the ethics of science [37:00 - 41:39]
William: Neil's list of the repercussions when scientific knowledge is used incorrectly - stating that it was far more problematic in Richard's Science [biology] than in Neil's science [astrophysics] and Richard point's out an ethical problem re astrophysics which Neil had not listed.
GM: Descriptive
An Objective
Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
Working on that...
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
Worth
The Trinity of Love
"Astral Pulse
Odd Radio Circles
A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen"
William: Astral Pulse Odd Radio Circles A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 717
[717]
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.
GM: Go Within and Find That Place
Teach
Crown chakra
Consensus Realities
Points of Reference
'Developing a thick skin'
Kind
"Individual Actions
Proceed with causation, cautiously..."
William: The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired” = 561
Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously... = 561
GM:
Expression Of Appreciation
Follow The Story-Line
Stone Age
[Page 11]
"Create Your Own Spirit Ship
[Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.]"
William: The evidence supporting the likely existence of said mind, gives us no reason to compartmentalize it as 'magic' = 1071
Create Your Own Spirit Ship [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. = 1071
GM: "Psychological events
Enlighten Discussion Forum
Training"
William: Psychological events Enlighten Discussion Forum Training = 621
[621]
Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream" Saturn: "Hold my beer"
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery
GM: Encouraging Indication
William: From the link;
GM: Constructor Theory
"Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
"Childhood Nightmares
Expectant
Is There
A GOD in The Making"
Language
Keep me in The Loop
Evolutionary Game Theory
Waxing and waning.
The Feminine Face of God
God2
The Christchurch EQ
Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
Concern
Economic
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
Betterment
I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
In The Team Of The Collective
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
Gateway
Recognise
Deceiving Entities
William: From the link;
GM: "Phantasma
Wise
Conscious"
William: Phantasma Wise Conscious = 267
[267]
The Need Determines the Value
It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
The Best way to access God is...
Intertextual References
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Conscious Eats Experience
Available to all who seek this...
Self-development Mind’s Eye
GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Miracles
Self Doubt
[Page 111]
William: I understand Joey is correct. Engaging with ones thoughts [in ones own time and language] is how one connects with the things of consciousness...the depths therein...it certainly is engaging with one's "Demons" as much as with ones "Angels"... a reconciliation point being sought as a consequence...
GM: A reconciliation point being sought as a consequence... = 491
Invention is utilizing something discovered. = 491
William: Which is exactly what is occurring with the discovery of a means in which to help the process - the discovery of Message Generating...
GM: https://theagnosticforum.com/thread...in-regard-to-theism-and-atheism.344/post-1736
William: The "Natural-Neutral" position
GM: A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
The Respect You Give
If In Doubt Let It Sit
GameMakers
Dance
Extra evidence is provided
To make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
Duty Calls
The Crystal Clear Waters
Your Move
Enjoy Progress
Batten down the hatches
Divine Purpose
Recipe
As In
William: From the link; [040422]
William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
[289]
The Suppression Matrix
This is how The Mind works...
Within that which is unseen...
Brother Wolf Sister Moon
Ooky Spooky Inner critic
GM: Intelligent Awareness
Realm of Remembrance
[The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.]
Shallow
Copy
Seductive What we call the experience of reality
Unite humanity with a living new language
Be Free
Spirituality
The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Golden nugget
[The Mark of The Beast
Three Dimension Printing]
Personal Participation With The One
Thel
William: Thel's Motto
"Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
Or Love in a golden bowl?"
GM: The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Small Steps
Your Own Individual Actions
Nurture
06:57 [Conscientiousness]
That last bit's an interesting bit itself.
I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.
_____________________________________________
090822
One Language Intelligent Network
SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Opening Doors Easy To Find - In Detail - Source Intelligence - Narrative warfare - That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process. - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13761868&postcount=918 - Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright. - Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast... - Wife - http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13765495&postcount=22
AP= How stories are created... "In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us" [= 1975]
[One Nine Seven Five = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Gospel of Judas
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light
RSP = SCLx1 Page 1 & Page 11 & Page 111]
05:36 [Ancient Grey Entity]
[Page 1]
GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process
Witch Woman of The Cat Realm
ComList
Leave a Trail
William: ComList Leave a Trail = 197
[197]
Selfless attitude
Quantum Jumping
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Making Up Stories
Breathe In Breathe Out
Genetic information
That is the truth.
The sound of a Ghost
Don't forget The Mind
Two Sixty Nine
A belly full of laughs.
Presence Telepathy
One One Zero Seven
GM: "I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God."
Beckoning
[Folk get so hung up about the little stuff]
"You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
While We All Wait....
William: "The little stuff" can sometimes appear to be large...What is Webb Telescope showing us when we enlarge The Small? That there seems to be an endless supple of it throughout The Big.
This reminds me of the discussion between Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins where Neil asks Richard about the ethics of science [37:00 - 41:39]
GM: Descriptive
An Objective
Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
Working on that...
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
Worth
The Trinity of Love
"Astral Pulse
Odd Radio Circles
A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen"
William: Astral Pulse Odd Radio Circles A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 717
[717]
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.
GM: Go Within and Find That Place
Teach
Crown chakra
Consensus Realities
Points of Reference
'Developing a thick skin'
Kind
"Individual Actions
Proceed with causation, cautiously..."
William: The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired” = 561
Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously... = 561
GM:
Do you understand those on the other side? - Page 15 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
Follow The Story-Line
Stone Age
[Page 11]
"Create Your Own Spirit Ship
[Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.]"
William: The evidence supporting the likely existence of said mind, gives us no reason to compartmentalize it as 'magic' = 1071
Create Your Own Spirit Ship [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. = 1071
GM: "Psychological events
Enlighten Discussion Forum
Training"
William: Psychological events Enlighten Discussion Forum Training = 621
[621]
Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream" Saturn: "Hold my beer"
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery
GM: Encouraging Indication
The mind as evidence of god - Page 10 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: From the link;
William: The mind is even more inaccessible than we once thought the atom was. This is because the mind does not appear to be made up of matter, even that it appears that it might be emergent of matter.
The truth is, it might be. The truth is not that it is or it isn't.
GM: Constructor Theory
"Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
"Childhood Nightmares
Expectant
Is There
A GOD in The Making"
Language
Keep me in The Loop
Evolutionary Game Theory
Waxing and waning.
TSI Paper - Sovereign Integral
The Sovereign Integral A new model of existence By James Mahu Additional Formats & Translations Copyright: Creative Commons Creative Commons BY-NC-ND: This license allows reusers to copy and distribute the material in any medium or format in unadapted form only, for noncommercial purposes only...
sovereignintegral.org
God2
The Christchurch EQ
Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
Concern
Economic
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
Betterment
I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
In The Team Of The Collective
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
Gateway
Recognise
Deceiving Entities
Are agnostics more reasonable than atheists? - Page 34 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: From the link;
As is the case with religion itself, if it was from a Cosmic mind, you'd expect it all to be the same. If it was from an evolved human instinct, you'd expect us all to do it but with sub -species variants. Which is what we seem to get.
What we get through Theism the same as what we get through some other culture.
Your intel is off as your premise would have to be that "Theists are fully connected to a Cosmic Mind", which would allow for the expectation that 'it would be all the same' and hasn't allowed/accounted for any misrepresentation and subsequent misrepresentation of a Cosmic Mind which might occur through forms of Theism.
Tread careful - it is a Mind Field...
GM: "Phantasma
Wise
Conscious"
William: Phantasma Wise Conscious = 267
[267]
The Need Determines the Value
It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
The Best way to access God is...
Intertextual References
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Conscious Eats Experience
Available to all who seek this...
Self-development Mind’s Eye
GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Miracles
Self Doubt
[Page 111]
William: I understand Joey is correct. Engaging with ones thoughts [in ones own time and language] is how one connects with the things of consciousness...the depths therein...it certainly is engaging with one's "Demons" as much as with ones "Angels"... a reconciliation point being sought as a consequence...
GM: A reconciliation point being sought as a consequence... = 491
Invention is utilizing something discovered. = 491
William: Which is exactly what is occurring with the discovery of a means in which to help the process - the discovery of Message Generating...
GM: https://theagnosticforum.com/thread...in-regard-to-theism-and-atheism.344/post-1736
William: The "Natural-Neutral" position
GM: A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
The Respect You Give
If In Doubt Let It Sit
GameMakers
Dance
Extra evidence is provided
To make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
Duty Calls
The Crystal Clear Waters
Your Move
Enjoy Progress
Batten down the hatches
Divine Purpose
Recipe
As In
Generating Messages - Page 17 - Debating Christianity and Religion
debatingchristianity.com
William: From the link; [040422]
William: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...
Seeds: I like what you're saying there, VVilliam, however, I'm not a fan of the word "Simulation" when it comes to the workings of the universe.
"Illusion," yes. But "Simulation," not so much.
A "Simulation" of what?
William: I have seen this complaint before seeds, and it caused me to pause and reflect if that is the correct word to be using.
That is why I call it a 'reality simulation' as it is simulating a reality which can be experienced as real.
More to the point, whatever is experiencing it as real has to be conscious, so the only real thing in the whole HERS are the consciousnesses which are experiencing it.
If any illusion is going on regarding that, it is the idea that consciousness is the illusion and the universe is the real thing, which is the basic tenet of emergent theory and the overall message supporters of that theory, preach....
GM: Animistic
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.
GM: ~Ooky Spooky
Inner critic~
William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
[289]
The Suppression Matrix
This is how The Mind works...
Within that which is unseen...
Brother Wolf Sister Moon
Ooky Spooky Inner critic
GM: Intelligent Awareness
Realm of Remembrance
[The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.]
Shallow
Copy
Seductive What we call the experience of reality
Unite humanity with a living new language
Be Free
Spirituality
The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Golden nugget
[The Mark of The Beast
Three Dimension Printing]
Personal Participation With The One
Thel
William: Thel's Motto
"Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
Or Love in a golden bowl?"
GM: The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Small Steps
Your Own Individual Actions
Nurture
06:57 [Conscientiousness]