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From another thread in another forum [Replying to The Tanager in post #139] No. As I pointed out, while you claim you are auguring from those particular premises, you have had to change the wording. In changing the wording, you have changed the premises and are now arguing from those...

It is rumored also that the Catholic's murdered folk who even owned Bibles which - if true - gives a another reason as to why the protestant Christians worship the Bible. In a sense, the Bible is to the protestant Christians, what the Pope is to the Catholic Christians. The "common ancestor"...

. I think that your points reflect my own. They underline a specific process mentioned by Biblical Jesus which has been usurped through rule-sets to ensure that regardless of Jesus' primary message (for the individual to connect with The Father) that no such connections are recognized as...

Contrasting Positions re "The Rules". IF the rule is that "Anybody can claim to have a direct communication with any deity but this is not allowed as evidence." And IF the rule allows for any Biblical passage to be allowed as evidence THEN the following observation is made. (Let's unpack this...

Exploring ideas on Existence, Creation, and Inner Depths I am having a conversation with The Father which I will provide to GPT Me: Then there is this. “Whatever begins to exist has a cause of its beginning.” The Father: Metanoia – that is “a change in one's way of life resulting from...

OBJECTIVE MORALITY Me: What is meant by "objective morality"? GPT: Objective morality refers to the idea that moral principles or values exist independently of individual beliefs, opinions, or cultural norms. In other words, it posits that there are objective and universal moral truths that...

I tend toward Theism, (we exist within something created) largely due to personal experience and having spent large amounts of time hearing atheists/materialists offer arguments which more often than not, reduce the human experience to an irrelevant point of a thing.

This is where I think differently. If something is experienced as real, why should we think it is not real, just because we are not the ones experiencing it? Why is something existing out this universe "necessary"? Yes. More graphically (re experience) - NDE's By your argument, (if I am...

Let's unpack that. POI: I understand what you are saying, which is why we can also test them. ME: Then we agree that this needs to happen. Do we agree on how to test them? We would of course be required to interact amicably re making some kind of list of agreement. POI: Tam claims Jesus...

This from an interaction with GPT, yesterday. Me: What is the person saying? GPT: The person is discussing the Kalam cosmological argument, which posits that the universe had a beginning. However, they are pointing out a perceived flaw in the argument. They argue that while it is true the...

I think a characteristic of being a strong agnostic is that such a position can be used in other conversations not directly related to questions and claims of theism or atheism.

Are you saying that you refer to physical as "real" and non-physical as "unreal"? Are you saying that "supernatural" (unreal) is a place-holder of some type - until more information is found? Or, I could think that the experience being had by the one experiencing it, (and reporting it) is...

More from the other message board. Personality 1. We don't need to agree to a particular name in order for us to both agree we are speaking of the same thing. Personality 2. I think we do. The characteristics of this "Mind" are exactly what is in question at the moment. Personality 1...

It appears that "Weak Agnosticism" can lean toward being atheist or theist. Q: Is it fair then, to understand that "Strong Agnosticism" is neither theistic nor atheistic, as it leans neither way - rather it stands strongly as its own position unique to those other positions?

More from the other message board. Maybe. What do you think the answer to your question is... Is that the impression you get re my argument? I am not assuming or believing such at all. I am simply saying that my understanding of "non-physical" is that anything labelled as such, is...

Re The Kalam Cosmological Argument Refining the Essence of IT Feature this. One is an entity in the following circumstance. “IT” is a solitary individual mind. ITs natural or quintessential state" is timeless, spaceless eternal, imageless, uncaused, beginningless, changeless, and...

You wrote that in the past tense. Did you mean to do that? If "something which appears to be physical but isn't", then what is it and why even to say it exists (is real)? Remember what the thread topic is arguing. If you can explain how a mind which is not physical in nature can interact with...

"Finally, Ghazali argued that this Uncaused First Cause must also be a personal being. It’s the only way to explain how an eternal cause can produce an effect with a beginning like the universe."

I created a similar thread in another forum. This is what I had to say on the subject there, in answer to the quoted. Thus it has to be eternal. Never having had a beginning and never to have an end. Yes, and included in that is physical stuff. If matter can only derive from said source...

Have you any evidence to support that human consciousness is not physical?