Why did Trump win? Why did Vice President Harris lose?

[AgnosticBoy]

The million dollar question on a lot of analysts minds is why did Trump win and why did Kamala lose.

We can have that conversation here! I'll break some of the ice and I'll let others tell me what they think.

Trump won because...
- He focused on two of the major problems facing the country, which were immigration and economy.
- He had a lot of exposure with non-establishment personalities, like Elon Musk, RFK, Joe Rogan, etc. I think this probably helped bring out a lot of men, perhaps even Latinos.


Kamala lost because...
- She did not focus as much on the economy and immigration and/or the fact that both were bad for a long time under her and Biden's term.
- She didn't have as much exposure. Early on, she didn't do much interviews.
- She was probably tied to the problems of the country eventhough she was not the president, but still associated with Biden - sorta like a guilt by association.

I'll leave it there for now.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

1. inflation
2. The fact that she’s a woman

or . . .

1. that she’s a woman
2. inflation

And I’m serious, look the hate “conservatives” so-called who ought to be about respecting women and equal rights . . . how much hate and spite they threw at House Speaker Nancy Pelosi compared to Senate Leader Chuck Schumer. Both of whom are Democrats.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

@Multicolored Lemur

I also think that gender played a role in her lost, as well as her race. I just question how much. Honestly, I believe it played a small role to the point that it was negligible. I really believe that because there are other major reasons that many would not vote for her not having to do with race, like inflation, immigration, and how she was probably seen as an incumbent candidate, eventhough she technically wasn't.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

Great Recession of 2008 and pathetic recovery

“ . . . The corresponding peak-to-trough decline in payroll employment was even larger: a heart-rending 6.3 percent, . . . ”
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But there were still economic winners and losers. For example, a man could blame himself for not picking a “better field” or not making himself “indispensable” as an employee. As ridiculously high and specific as these standards are,

there was a loss of face if a man or a woman could not find another job quickly,

no one likes being told what you have to offer the economy isn’t valuable,

but society at large does judge this more harshly in a man.

Whereas in contrast . . .

with post-Covid inflation, it affected everyone so there was no loss of face in talking about it.

In fact, I think inflation kind of became a stand-in to talk about a lot of other resentments such as loss of middle class jobs, less promotion opportunities for men or women in in their 40s and 50s, etc, etc.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Here are reasons that I've gathered from listening to both sides on why Harris loss (and why Trump won):
1. Bad economy (eventhough some metrics/stats show otherwise but it's only recently and there's still the perception that it's bad)
2. Border/Immigration problem
3. Racism
4. sexism
5. Poor and/or lack of messaging on #1 and 2

If I had to rank all of those reasons, I'd say economy would be the most important reason. Here's some perspective on that:

The state of democracy in particular was the most important issue to voters, with 35% saying as much according to an ABC News preliminary exit poll, followed by 31% who said the economy was the most important issue to them.

Health care, however, did not seem to be a major voting issue for many Americans. Though abortion, for example, was among the top five voting issues, only 14% said it was their most important issue, the exit poll showed.

"Health care issues are always a concern to people, but certainly there were other issues that were more important to people at this time," Dr. Perry Halkitis, dean of the School of Public Health at Rutgers University in New Jersey, told ABC News. "It seemed like the economy and migration were the biggest issues, but especially the economy. People expressed very serious concerns about prices, very serious concerns about the affordability of things, very serious concerns about inflation."

Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/des...-rights-health-care-voting/story?id=115602148

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Looks like the Republicans will gain control of all branches of the federal government, Presidency, Senate, and Congress. But I'm pessimistic because I believe they will overreach at some point. There's just too much of a bad track record of political parties overreaching when they get too much power. No real opposition to hold them back of course.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

There's just too much of a bad track record of political parties overreaching when they get too much power. No real opposition to hold them back of course.

Weirdly, I prefer this because it gives clear feedback. I almost object to a muddled mess more.

 

[Scooter]

I'll throw my 2 cents in. First I believe Trump won because he addressed the issues that most Americans were facing: the economy, crime and immigration. He presented plans to combat inflation, crime and immigration. His message resonated with the people. Therefore, he won both the electoral college as well as the popular vote.

Harris lost for multiple reasons. She refused to sit down with journalists and allow them to present her with hard questions. When she was asked tough questions, she had no intelligent answer. She gave word salads that were gibberish. She offered no clear ideas to help Americans. When asked by Sunny Hostin if there was anything she could have done differently during the last 3.5 years, Harris said nothing came to mind. She had no platform to run on. What she and other Democrats offered was fear and name calling. They said Trump threatened democracy; Trump's supporters were garbage; Obama scolded black men for not supporting Kamala. Kamala Harris did not win because it was painfully obvious that she was no more qualified to be president than Biden was. She offered the American people nothing. No vision for the future; no plan to help Americans; no foreign policy; no nothing. That's why she lost.

As a conservative, I reject the idea Harris lost because she was a woman, and a woman of color. I would readily vote for a woman of color, such as Condoleezza Rice or Nikki Haley over any Democrat. I am a huge supporter of Tulsi Gabbard as well. Race has nothing to do with it either. Tim Scott would have my vote over any candidate the Democrats put forward. Skin color and sex has no influence on most people's decision to vote for the person. What matters is substance. values and a plan to move forward. The Democrats had none of these. At least from my perspective.

BTW, I believe the reason people demonize Nancy Pelosi is because she is simply a nasty person.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Weirdly, I prefer this because it gives clear feedback. I almost object to a muddled mess more.

I get what you're saying!

I view the mainstream media the same way as well. Like just today, CNN released a scathing report about Rep. Gaetz regarding paying women to do sexual favors and one underage girl involved. I posted some of the highlights in another thread here. Now imagine if all or most of mainstream media was just Republican fanboy networks. We wouldn't have the luxury of getting such details on Gaetz because those networks wouldn't want to hurt their side - not as much as a Left leaning network would!