Trump vs. Biden 2024 Presidential Debate

[AgnosticBoy]

Just got done watching the 2024 presidential debate. I have my thoughts but want to see what others think about it.


For Discussion:
1. What did you think about the debate?
2. Who won? Will it help any candidate?

Full debate.. start at the 4:01:00 minute mark

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

I’ve watched the first 2/3’s, going to watch the rest.

Trump won, but Biden is still the more steady eddie candidate.

Biden had a cold and should have found an excuse to cancel.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Trump won, but Biden is still the more steady eddie candidate.

Agreed. I don't think he won because he gave off the most facts because Trump made a lot of claims, some obviously false or unproven. But I do think he came out stronger overall.

Biden had a cold and should have found an excuse to cancel.

Here's one analysis from CNN:

Biden often defaulted to an open-mouthed, staring look while Trump was speaking. He occasionally struggled to finish his thoughts or land punches at points, ceding ground on issues like abortion where Democrats have an edge.

“He seemed a little disoriented. He did get stronger as the debate went on. But by that time, I think the panic had set in,” longtime Democratic operative and CNN senior political commentator David Axelrod said.

Axelrod also gave voice to a conversation happening among many Democrats on Thursday night: “There are going to be discussions about whether he should continue.”
“It’s hard to argue that Biden should be our nominee,” said an operative who’s worked on campaigns at all levels for over a decade.

Democrats were even opining on who it might be instead: “If I was Gavin (Newsom) or Gretchen (Whitmer), I’d be making calls tonight,” one said.

After the debate, Newsom dismissed calls for Biden to be removed from the Democratic ticket.

And one Democrat who’s worked on campaigns up and down the ballot said simply: “We are f**ked.”

I think there might have been more than just the common cold going on for President Biden. He has had problems remembering things, fumbling his words, mumbling at times, giving a blank stare or pausing mid sentence, etc. These are signs of a bigger problem, i.e. a cognitive one. What's telling about the CNN analysis is that it's being said by CNN which is arguably an anti-Trump left leaning network. For them to post analysis that calls for Biden stepping down is pretty bad.

I honestly liked Joe, but I think he's way pass his prime and doesn't know when to hang it up. Not to mention that the presidency is a very stress filled job so having a cognitive decline with a lot of added stress is a bad combination.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Here's another analysis of the debate from CNN:...

And I rarely agree with the hosts on the show, The View, but they did a good analysis here...

And normally, I try to present both sides, because I want to show that I factor them in before drawing conclusions. But when you have even Biden's fans not approving of Biden's debate performance, on top of Biden's rivals, then there is no viable other side to present.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

For them to post analysis that calls for Biden stepping down is pretty bad

Not going to happen.

Look, I’m going to continue to push issues such as my ideas toward a Grand Bargain on immigration. @AgnosticBoy , I compliment you on your willingness to dive into issues, which frankly a lot of people at my local bars don’t have!

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

And I rarely agree with the hosts on the show, The View, but they did a good analysis here...

I watched the first two ladies. I agree with the first one, Joy who said—

Let’s not get “too depressed … yet.”

Not sure the debate really matters, as so many people have already made up their mind.

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Look, the fancy stuff ain’t going to happen. Come November or early voting in mid-Oct, I’ll be in a voting both and I’m going to pick the non-crazy candidate. Even if he’s in declining powers.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

1. What did you think about the debate?

I liked the topics that were covered, which were inflation, immigration, abortion, Russian-Ukraine war, Israel-Palestine War, Trump's conviction and Jan. 6 insurrection, etc.

I thought Trump did good on immigration, Russian foreign policy. President Biden was good when it came to abortion and on some of Trump's legal problems when it came to Jan. 6 insurrection.

I think the real difference maker, which is more about style than substance, is that Trump did a better job on delivery of some of his attacks. That was also helped by Biden at times when he mumbled through some of his points, at times.

2. Who won? Will it help any candidate?

I think Trump won the debate for reasons I mentioned earlier. While I dont think that Trump's performance will win him a lot, but I do think he will benefit when it comes to rallying his base. I don't think Biden will benefit at all, and if anything, he may lose support by not giving a good performance to rally his base.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

Biden has served our country well. And I think we’re lucky to have him.

But…

I don’t think he’s up for being president for the next 4 and half years. All the same, on President Biden’s worse day, he’s better than former President Trump.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

I’m hoping after President Biden attends church tomorrow or 9 o’clock Monday morning, he announced he will not be seeking a second time.

Or, that a Governor or Senator announces they are running and asks for the pledged delegates votes. Maybe Monday mid-day?

I don’t think there’s an enforcement mechanism for “pledged” delegates, so maybe some of them will publicly, will not and cannot not re-nominate President Biden.

But realistically

sadly

probably none of this.

 

[Multicolored Lemur]

As the electoral college approached pre-Trump in Dec 2016, I remember thinking Democratic electors should start breaking for moderate Republican John Kasich, former Ohio Governor who had run in 2016 primary against Trump …..

but hardly any …

just a handful ..

very disappointing.