Transgender girls and women's sports

[AgnosticBoy]

Should transgendered girls be allowed to compete in women's sports?

 

[AgnosticBoy]

I can understand that there's an ideology that wants things to be equal, even genders, but we have to square that ideology with biology, or really, nature overall.

If we inform ourselves with biology, and not just ideology, then I would say that it is unfair for transgendered girls to compete in women's sports. The simple fact is that transgendered girls bodies still function as males, that is they have more testosterone, more muscle mass, more explosive strength than biological females, on average. That bodily make up would of course lead to better physical performance, especially when it comes to sports that require upper body strength. Based on this fact, I'd expect there to be evidence of transgender girls excelling in women's sports, on average. In a sense, there's already evidence of this if you compare the performances of biological males in sports with those of biological females.

You also asked why we don't hear about bans on transgendered boy competing in boys' sports, well one reason may be that transgendered boys won't have an advantage over boys, on average. If hormone replacement therapy has little to no effect on transgender boys, then I'd be worried that transgendered boys wouldn't excel much in such a sport.

One alternative proposal I've heard is create a sport just for the transgendered population.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Here's another angle. What if a transgender male (Female-to-Male) competes in male sports? What that be fair to men or the transgender male? In the case of the latter, it may not be when choice is involved, but there's the question of physical disadvantages.

 

[AgnosticBoy]

there's already evidence of this if you compare the performances of biological males in sports with those of biological females.

Or you can allow physical assault in women by having them just fight men. Take a look at this fight between one male and two women...

full video:

 

[AgnosticBoy]

Governor Newsom for President 2028?!

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Newsom becomes most prominent Democrat to buck the party and echo majority public opinion on trans athlete​

That history was top of mind for several Democrats last week, when the governor said in his new podcast that transgender girls and women participating in female sports leagues is “deeply unfair.” The comments made him the most prominent Democrat to buck the party and echo public opinion on an issue that helped shape the 2024 election and could be a political liability once more in 2028.

The episode quickly made good on the promise of the podcast, advertised as a place where the governor would “answer the hard questions.” Chief among those: Are there limits to the party’s support for transgender Americans?

“The issue of fairness is completely legit,” Newsom said on “This Is Gavin Newsom” last week. “And we’ve got to own that. We’ve got to acknowledge it.”

A January New York Times/Ipsos poll found that 79% of Americans — including 67% of Democrats — said they believed female transgender athletes should not be allowed to play on women’s sports teams. A Pew Research poll released last month found that 66% of Americans favor laws that require transgender girls and women to play on the teams of the gender they were assigned at birth.

The same poll also found that 56% of Americans favor laws that prevent discrimination against transgender Americans.

Source: All excerpts from CNN reporting...

I hope some follow his lead to ask least ask questions. Just consider which sports both genders can play together and which sports they can't - use the vids in my last post for reference!

 

[bbyrd009]

Tbh the whole issue strikes me as ridiculous, with what we know about testosterone? I perceive males desiring to physically compete with females to be a pretty clear indication of mental or emotional deficiency, that should be appropriately addressed rather than pandered to

 

[AgnosticBoy]

@bbyrd009

Bingo. Testosterone is really the biggest factor.

Testosterone secreted before birth, postnatally, and then after puberty is the major factor that drives these physiological sex differences, and as adults, testosterone levels are ten to fifteen times higher in males than females.

Male physiology underpins their better athletic performance including increased muscle mass and strength, stronger bones, different skeletal structure, better adapted cardiorespiratory systems, and early developmental effects on brain networks that wires males to be inherently more competitive and aggressive.

Source: Heather, A. K. (2022). Transwoman elite athletes: Their extra percentage relative to female physiology. International Journal of Environmental Research & Public Health, 19, 9103.

As an analogy, men are naturally more doped up with hormones (testosterone) than women. In fact taking testosterone supplements is banned in many sports organizations ..

Due to the performance-enhancing properties (e.g., increased strength and power, shortened recovery time) of this class of drugs, use of any anabolic agent including testosterone and other anabolic steroids in NCAA athletic participation is banned.

Source: https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2024/7/...hancing,NCAA athletic participation is banned.

Testosterone and any other substance listed under the Anabolic Agents section of the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) Prohibited List are prohibited at all times

Source: https://www.usada.org/spirit-of-spo...her substance,possibility that there are many