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I've heard many Christian apologists and even some non-Christians claim that Josephus's writings confirm Jesus's existence. I can agree with them that if Josephus wrote about Jesus, then that would serve as corroborating and independent source for Jesus's existence. The problem that I run into is that looking up this topic brings up mixed results. Some sources support the claim, while others completely deny the authenticity of Josephus references to Jesus.

Here's some relevant background...Josephus makes two references to Jesus in his book called, Antiquities of the Jews.

Here are the references to Jesus:
1. "Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."

Source: Quoted by PBS from The Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3 The Works of Josephus, translated by William Whiston Hendrickson Publishers, 1987

2." But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king, desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrin without his consent. Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#:~:text=The Testimonium Flavianum,-Testimonium Flavianum&text=About this time there lived,and many of the Greeks. Flavius Josephus: Antiquities of the Jews Book 20 Chapter 9, 1

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What are the facts? What do the scholars in the field say about this issue? Is there a scholarly consensus?
 
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In general, I've read views that I suspect are extreme, like some that say that all references to Jesus are authentic and other views that say that both references to Jesus are not authentic. The answer probably lies in between imo.
 
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Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man
In general, I've read views that I suspect are extreme, like some that say that all references to Jesus are authentic and other views that say that both references to Jesus are not authentic.
I think the clear majority of scholars say the “good” one was added later, whereas the brief one is probably legit.

One reason is the early Christian writer “Origen of Alexandria” —

he used the brief one, but not the good one. As if he didn’t know about the good one. To me, this is a reason with a good amount of probability. Sure, it’s possible that Origen just didn’t know about the good part in Josephus. But with other scholars also reading Josephus, I think unlikely.


PS There is also some guy called “Origen the Pagan” ! ! ! :p
 

“ . . the Testimonium Flavianum. Nearly all modern scholars reject the authenticity of this passage in its present form, though most nevertheless hold that it contains an authentic nucleus referencing the life and execution of Jesus by Pilate, . . “

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Let’s say crowd sourcing usually works.

When we have something like “Nearly all modern scholars,” usually they’re right. But not always.
 
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Again, I ask…what is the evidence that Josephus did not write concerning Jesus? “Experts say…” is not really evidence. It looks to me like these “experts” may not like that Jesus is actually mentioned outside of the Bible, so they just label references to Him as being added by Christian zealots.
 

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‘ . . an early church father named Origen informs us Josephus was not a Christian. If Origen is correct, it is very unlikely that Josephus would have made such remarks as calling Jesus a “wise man, if one could even call him a man,” “he was the Messiah,” . . ‘

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This is a Christian source.

Now, that doesn’t mean they’re right. Nor does it mean all Christians will agree.
 
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It looks to me like these “experts” may not like that Jesus is actually mentioned outside of the Bible, so they just label references to Him as being added by Christian zealots.
This part reads a little like conspiracy theory.

The fact is, most people believe in God. And most people are suspicious of both atheists and overly religious persons. Kind of ironic how things work out that way.

Meaning, a good atheist like myself and an enthusiastic preacher of the Gospel like yourself might face a similar amount of opposition.
 
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an early church father named Origen informs us Josephus was not a Christian. If Origen is correct, it is very unlikely that Josephus would have made such remarks as calling Jesus a “wise man, if one could even call him a man,” “he was the Messiah,” . . ‘
This is not evidence. This is opinion. People are entitled to their own opinions, but that does not make their views correct. We have an ancient, non-biblical writing by Josephus which mentions Jesus Christ. What is the evidence that he did not pen that section about Jesus? What is the evidence that someone added it later? Stating that it is “unlikely”, hardly passes muster as evidence.
 
Again, I ask…what is the evidence that Josephus did not write concerning Jesus? “Experts say…” is not really evidence. It looks to me like these “experts” may not like that Jesus is actually mentioned outside of the Bible, so they just label references to Him as being added by Christian zealots.
That's good to bring up that point. Before, I used to say that being a good debater is not just a matter of logic, but also psychology because oftentimes motivation, bias, and other non-intellect factors can distort thinking. I think that can also be extended to intellectual matters even beyond debate, like researching, examining evidence, etc.

I'm sure there are plenty experts that have anti-Christian motivations, and that has an effect on their scholarship. The same can be said for some Christian scholars, as well.
 
That's good to bring up that point. Before, I used to say that being a good debater is not just a matter of logic, but also psychology because oftentimes motivation, bias, and other non-intellect factors can distort thinking. I think that can also be extended to intellectual matters even beyond debate, like researching, examining evidence, etc.

I'm sure there are plenty experts that have anti-Christian motivations, and that has an effect on their scholarship. The same can be said for some Christian scholars, as well.
I agree 100%. Scholars, experts, etc...all approach subjects with their own personal biases. Both secular and religious. So I get there may be those who reject portions of Josephus' writings that reference Jesus Christ. But, there has to be some sort of evidence to base their position on. Just saying it is "unlikely" isn't evidence at all, it is opinion. Now, I'm not an apologist for Josephus. My faith has nothing to do with his writings. So whether Josephus actually wrote about Jesus or not does not change my beliefs. I just believe that if people are going to make claims, they need to be able to substaniate those claims.
 
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